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adolescence stage

jsavoni

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Hey Corso Family!
I was just wondering what kind of stories you all have had in this stage of you puppies life. I beleive i am close or have started this stage and trying to get some stories of what i might have ahead for me! I have heard it can be a pretty tough stage for the puppy and owner.
Thanks all!
 

CeeCee

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Oh good gravy!!! When my boy entered adolescence he mostly experimented with rank, dominance, etc. What this looked like is he started aggressing against dogs he had never had a problem with and he kept punking dogs (they would be focused on someone or something else and Zeek would walk up to them and pop them with his muzzle), and a lot of air snapping at dogs that came into his space. Basically he was a snot. Sorry, I love him, but he was.

He experimented a little with ignoring my commands, but that wasn't too bad. A simple leash at all times and he gave that one up.

The rank experiments resulted in a few things:
1) He lost his privileges at day care (he used to be able to go on morning hikes at day care, but one of the dogs he was challenging on was the resident male).
2) Because you didn't know who he would take offense to or how he would react, we also muzzle trained him and when we hike, he walks on a 30 foot training lead.
3) Leashed when we were in the backyard in case he tried to blow me.
4) EVERYTHING was worked for and he had to "ask permission" for everything (get on the sofa, get out of the car, etc.)

We are getting toward that time when he may enter his second snotty phase so we're bracing for that, but the tell me second one last less time and is less intense. ...here's hoping!

On a side, but related note, at this same time, he had some physical pain that caused me to take him a holistic vet who does acupuncture. After a couple of treatments, he seemed to settle down and just generally come more relaxed and more "forgiving" of dogs being in his space or bumping him. I don't know if the two are/were related, but it all seemed to get a noticeably easier after he started acupuncture.

Best of luck and be sure to let us know how it goes!
 

jsavoni

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thanks for your story!
I notice Sofia tests me when i give commands she knows. When we are at home she still does the basic things like waht and stay to go outside at the door, and that sort of stuff. But i notice things like off leash things. She use to do SOOO well off leash. But when i trian her in a field she doesnt seem to want to listen as well.

TOnight on our walk i notice a odd feeling from her i was getting. when we started our walk we walked by a family that lives two houses down from us, she got a little excited but i kept walking to move her along. she didnt pull to bad (i am working with her on this and pulling when sees dogs). But later in the walk on our way home we passed another man walking who seems a little dirty and was walking a little funny.... he wasnt drunk, he seemed ok.... she perked up and didnt pull me, but she was watching him. i wanted to try and make get her attention and focus on me.

when the man was further away Sofia listen to my commands but was still watching the man. She watched him until he was out of site. Its weird though because normally when she gets excited to see someone she use to be hard to handle and get under control, but with this guy she stood up proud and went a little towards him but not enough for me to have to pull her back, and jsut watched him.... i was proud of her, but i am still working on the excitment things.
 

NeSaxena

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Yeah, the teenage phase! I believe I've started a thread about it somewhere...

And what CeeCee said... Boone's gotta get permission for EVERYTHING before attempting it, or he stays on leash inside the house as well... Though I can very easily outstubborn him (and I do), he can be really trying since the last couple of weeks... The only really weird thing that he refuses to get over is his fear of the nail clippers... He runs eve tory time he sees them, so I'm kinda needing to come up with pretty innovative ways to cut his nails.

From what you've said above, it looks like your CC is coming into her guarding instincts.. I've heard here that this is the age where they start displaying the attitude... Yay Sofia!
 

jsavoni

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:) when she was younger i was able to train her in a field off leash and she always did so great. No when i try it she runs right by me like crazy, and if she finds something very interested to sniff i cant get her attention off leash.... grrr....lol.
So your CC stays on leash in the house? so it allows them to stick with you and not do what they want? Usually Sofia Follows me everywhere... but i want her to know i am the leader.... maybe i should hang on to her in the house as well.
 

kbuchanan66

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Welcome to this trying and downright nerve testing phase called "Teenage". My dog is not a Corso but I will tell you my story.

1. He growled at us A LOT. Any time we were trying to get him to do something he did not approve of. Anytime we walked by him when he was eating, had a toy or had a treat. He back talked anytime we looked at him.
2. He thought he was privileged to everything and anything that was eye level or lower. Actually let me rephrase that anything he could reach. Floor, Tables, Stands...counters.... He would steal food off our plates while we were eating. He would take things away from the cats, and our other dog.
3. There were dominance fights between my then 6-10 month old puppy and my 8 year old Lab.
4. He lost his off leash privileges because he would simply ignore me and my boyfriend. Seriously I would call his name and say come and he wouldn't even look, his ears didn't even perk. Nothing.
5. All the treats that used to work for training lost all value. I had to find NEW treats that he had never had before that had a very strong smell to them.
6. I basically had to re-train my puppy that was so well behaved previously.
7. He became even more mouthy than when he was 8 weeks.
8. On leash when we passed people he would try and drag us. Before he was so well behaved on leash.

Barron even at 8 weeks was VERY independent when he hit his Teenage phase his independence became amplified a lot. Just remain focused on your goals and have lots of patience.
 

jsavoni

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wow..... thats sounds rough. thanks for the story! i like to hear about other people's experiences :)
 

kbuchanan66

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wow..... thats sounds rough. thanks for the story! i like to hear about other people's experiences :)
Your welcome. Just a side note he is absolutely nothing like that anymore! Once we worked through everything he became a "Good" dog again and listens.
 

Smokeycat

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Kryten started his first what I call a dumbass

Stupid fingers and edit time. I'll try again.

Kryten started his first 'dumbass' stage at 7 months. Over night he stopped listening to me. He also decided that all dogs, particularly female dogs, wanted to play and he got quite forceful amount trying to make them. Thankfully he was never aggressive but he still lost his going to the off leash privileges for about a month and the next month or so I tried to go when I knew it was likely going to be less crowded. He still ended up on leash at some point during most visits. He went back to a strict NILIF program and over the next couple of weeks managed to earn his privileges back. One day just before he turned a year old it was like the switch flipped back the other way. He is 18 months now and I'm not sure if he is entering a second stage or is just fighting his post-op restrictions.
 

jsavoni

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what is NILIF program?

I feel like i fail as a trainer. I have been so good i thought at training. We jsut got back fomr our walk and the street we walked down had some people out side of there house doing yard work. As we walked by they stopped to talk to me about Sofia. They asked if it was ok to pet her, and i said yes once i calm her down, they walked slowly towards us i guess. I wasnt watching them becuase i was to busy on trying to get her under control. They where close enough to her where she started to kiss them and finally laid down for them to pet her. I know i shouldnt let her greet them until shes calm, but no one seems to understand this and just keep walking up to us. Its very hard to train when you dont have people who will help you with this..... we can go in a real busy area and walk by everyone, but when they stop to pet her and giver her attention she loses it and gets overly excited..... very discouraging.....
 

Smokeycat

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Nothing In Life Is Free.
Basically you make them work for everything including your attention and affection. For example he had to sit before I would pet him. It takes a lot of discipline on your part because if your dog is anything like either of mine they will try to figure out ways to still get what they want without having to obey commands first.
 

jsavoni

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i just woke up and realized what NILIF meant.... LOL
i felt like a idiot after i thought about it:p
 

CeeCee

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what is NILIF program?

I feel like i fail as a trainer. I have been so good i thought at training. We jsut got back fomr our walk and the street we walked down had some people out side of there house doing yard work. As we walked by they stopped to talk to me about Sofia. They asked if it was ok to pet her, and i said yes once i calm her down, they walked slowly towards us i guess. I wasnt watching them becuase i was to busy on trying to get her under control. They where close enough to her where she started to kiss them and finally laid down for them to pet her. I know i shouldnt let her greet them until shes calm, but no one seems to understand this and just keep walking up to us. Its very hard to train when you dont have people who will help you with this..... we can go in a real busy area and walk by everyone, but when they stop to pet her and giver her attention she loses it and gets overly excited..... very discouraging.....

It can be so damn hard and people with either the best of intentions or complete clueness don't help. :mad: