1st time corso

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

OP I apologize for hi-jacking your post. I will refrain from it continuing on here but if you have any questions I can help with please don't hesitate to message me.

 

[April Nicole]

So funny about the black dog syndrome. Poor Diesel. I bet he's thinking, " hey I'm here too"! I'm sure he gets lots of cuddles from you and hubby to make up for it..

A big brindle is also intimidating. Our new guy is white, but I think CAO can be intimidating as well. But being they are rare, their is always the crazy ones who run up on your dog, and ask after they start trying to pet, " Does your dog bite?" Lol. I always say," Does he have teeth?" I don't know I don't think I would want to run up on this!

 

[Sawsealady]

So funny about the black dog syndrome. Poor Diesel. I bet he's thinking, " hey I'm here too"! I'm sure he gets lots of cuddles from you and hubby to make up for it..

A big brindle is also intimidating. Our new guy is white, but I think CAO can be intimidating as well. But being they are rare, their is always the crazy ones who run up on your dog, and ask after they start trying to pet, " Does your dog bite?" Lol. I always say," Does he have teeth?" I don't know I don't think I would want to run up on this!

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Wow this is you dog? Or should I say polar bear..... lol

 

[April Nicole]

Wow this is you dog? Or should I say polar bear..... lol

No, that one is not mine. Just the breed. We get ours this Friday.

 

[Annette Coleman]

@Annette Coleman LOL! The breed is full of drama, but most pet people want to avoid it and the FB groups for the most part are littered with it. You tote the preservation page as the be-all to end-all, you do realize it is run by those board members of the ICCF so you won't see posts about the ICCF breeders and if there are bad things in regards to them, there is also no turn over in the BOD so it will remain those individuals until they decide to retire. I have friends and acquiescence in both camps and breeders I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole in both, want to know how I learned which ones to avoid... stopped talking and listened and watched the posts.

You constantly complain about "if you had known" so I am curious, what research did you do to find Laura and Mike as breeders? Did you ask on any of the forums? Did you google their kennel names and actual names? Did you ask for references of people that had purchased from them on forums, either to PM you or post it? Did you go on the breeder referral page? You are quick to blame the AKC and the CCAA but I am sorry you also bear some of the responsibility for doing adequate research.

Yet you seem to have learned nothing as you are endorsing another breed club, their breeders and their page without knowing if they are honest and responsible breeders themselves (hint: like the CCAA breeders in the ICCF, some are and some aren't). AKC nor ICCF papers are indicative of quality dogs, THE REGISTRIES DO NOT MONITOR BREEDING PRACTICES OF EACH BREEDER REGISTERING...THAT MEANS NEITHER DOES THE ICCF. I am not sure how much more that can be explained to you.

The OP also said he was looking for a deterrent, several posts before you responded.

"no I am not looking for an attack dog at all just want to offer a deterrent for people wandering through my yard at night. I figure the appearance and big bark will do the trick but also have some other things in mind such as flood lights with cameras and a siren"

Please stop making every post of those looking for a corso a witch hunt for the AKC or CCAA, or a ready endorsement of the ICCF and their breeders when you haven't done the research into them either.

@BlackShadowCaneCorso I DID all of the research that you suggested!!!! I called references. It was during a conversation with ICCF that I learned that for some reason one of the references had acquired 5 dogs from Laura and that 4 out of 5 of them have epilepsy yet he STILL gave her a good reference.

I checked the breeder page and lo and behold Laura is a “Breeder of Merit “.

I Googled reviews and found none because Laura is a web designer and knows how to manipulate what shows up about her on the web.

That is why I am so bitter about the fact that AKC and CCAA endorse unethical breeders. I DID the research but the Breeder community protects unethical breeders. IMO most breeders are puppy mills.

Yes, I know that Cane Corso Preservation is run by ICCF. So far, based on admittedly limited interaction with them but about the same amount of interaction that I have had with AKC and CCAA, I have a more favorable opinion of them than I do the AKC and CCAA.

I have joined communities to LEARN because the official channels do NOT provide adequate information to protect a novice purchaser of a Corso !

The fact that registries DO NOT monitor the practices of breeders is why DOGS WITH PAPERS SHOULD NOT BE MORE VALUABLE THAN DOGS WITHOUT THEM!!! The tolerance and defense of unethical practices is why dog breeders have a bad reputation outside the show ring.
I understand THAT REGISTRIES DO NOT monitor breeders. What I do not understand is how anyone who realizes this can value a papered dog more than one without papers.

At least people at ICCF tried to be helpful which is more than I ca say of the self-professed DMV of dogs. I don’t understand the comparison because the DMV will not register a Miata as a Porsche. The AKC will.

 

[Bailey's Mom]

Well said, Mary! Corsos are a learning experience...a learning experience that never ends. You've spent years in the business breeding the best dogs you can and you've been around while some disreputable people are tooting their horns and have privately been doing harm to the breed. How do you find a good breeder? Like you pointed out, you stop talking and you read, and read and read and look for the evidence to pile up. Slamming one group against the other isn't helpful, but careful research, and as you mentioned, PM'ing people for private conversations, searching for complaints or issues with local authorities, asking people for both their good impressions and their bad ones, all the while not trying to skew the results by alleging one group is better than the other group.

People should always reflect on a simple rule:

There's Your Truth, There's My Truth and somewhere between the two divergent points IS THE TRUTH.

Not all people in AKC or CCAA or ICCF are the be all and end all of wisdom or veracity. There will be good people and bad people and showboats and losers and SOME...SOME, will be excellent and knowledgeable and honest and decent and will truly care about the breed, it's health, it's standards and will actively promote those fine qualities.

There are some really great people here on the Forum whose knowledge goes back over 30+ years, they know the ins and outs of the Mastiff Breeds, and they will answer questions based on that in-depth knowledge. Knowledge is cumulative...don't form opinions based largely on the "loudest speaker/group/breeder."

 

[April Nicole]

I agree Baileys mom. The breeder we are getting our pup from is excellent! And I came to that conclusion with a lot of research. I watched every YouTube video he had. Went to his website. Looked through his instagram. Found previous customers who purchased pups from him,and went to their websites and instagram to see what they had to say about him, and the quality of his pups. I read his reader reviews ( which are all great!) And I went on puppy find and read those reviews. I searched the pedigrees of his dogs. I even googled his name with keywords like scam, rip off etc.... Just to see if anything popped up, which it didn't. I then called him and had a long conversation with him, with that I found out how passionate he was about the breed,and preserving it. I made sure to check out every picture of his dogs and kennel.... So to say ALL breeders are puppy mills is a huge insult to many wonderful breeders out there. Anette I'm truly sorry you got ripped off, but I can't understand how the hell you spent $3000 on a dog and didn't see pictures of it. We live in a day and age where the breeder could have hit a button on her phone and you could have skyped and seen the dog live! The dog was 5 months old, the breeder should have had at least 1 YouTube video of it. You can't make assumptions about everyone based on your bad experience.

 

[Justin B.]

@BlackShadowCaneCorso I DID all of the research that you suggested!!!! I called references. It was during a conversation with ICCF that I learned that for some reason one of the references had acquired 5 dogs from Laura and that 4 out of 5 of them have epilepsy yet he STILL gave her a good reference.

I checked the breeder page and lo and behold Laura is a “Breeder of Merit “.

I Googled reviews and found none because Laura is a web designer and knows how to manipulate what shows up about her on the web.

That is why I am so bitter about the fact that AKC and CCAA endorse unethical breeders. I DID the research but the Breeder community protects unethical breeders. IMO most breeders are puppy mills.

Yes, I know that Cane Corso Preservation is run by ICCF. So far, based on admittedly limited interaction with them but about the same amount of interaction that I have had with AKC and CCAA, I have a more favorable opinion of them than I do the AKC and CCAA.

I have joined communities to LEARN because the official channels do NOT provide adequate information to protect a novice purchaser of a Corso !

The fact that registries DO NOT monitor the practices of breeders is why DOGS WITH PAPERS SHOULD NOT BE MORE VALUABLE THAN DOGS WITHOUT THEM!!! The tolerance and defense of unethical practices is why dog breeders have a bad reputation outside the show ring.
I understand THAT REGISTRIES DO NOT monitor breeders. What I do not understand is how anyone who realizes this can value a papered dog more than one without papers.

At least people at ICCF tried to be helpful which is more than I ca say of the self-professed DMV of dogs. I don’t understand the comparison because the DMV will not register a Miata as a Porsche. The AKC will.

That has been asked and answered many many times by at least 4 different posters.

More valuable because you can Champion a dog. More valuable because most people absolutely do not cheat the system. In fact many people dont even know how relatively simple it is to do so.

More valuable because most pedigrees are 100% accurate.

There are more Pitbull X Mastiff crosses being sold as Cane Corsos without papers than there ever will be with papers.

 

[Justin B.]

If you do wind up buying a dog here are some good tips so you don't feel tricked and wind up in similar situation as mentioned in some of the post above.

Some very Simple basics.

1. See the dog you buy in person at the breeders place.
2. Don't be in a rush
3. See the pups parents. Can you see it nursing from the mother... does the mother show signs of nursing or having a recent litter. Can you see a strong resemblance
4. If the breeder has a contract read it in full and understand it in full
5. If you do get papers from the breeder make sure you know what registry it is. How its viewed in the dog world. And what a registry and pedigree actually mean.
6. You may want to inquire about if the parents had any health testing done
7. You may want to inquire about any health guarantee
8. If the breeder tells you or promises anything. Also get it in writing and signed.
9. See if you can speak to people who have purchased pups from them that are adults now

 

[Annette Coleman]

I agree Baileys mom. The breeder we are getting our pup from is excellent! And I came to that conclusion with a lot of research. I watched every YouTube video he had. Went to his website. Looked through his instagram. Found previous customers who purchased pups from him,and went to their websites and instagram to see what they had to say about him, and the quality of his pups. I read his reader reviews ( which are all great!) And I went on puppy find and read those reviews. I searched the pedigrees of his dogs. I even googled his name with keywords like scam, rip off etc.... Just to see if anything popped up, which it didn't. I then called him and had a long conversation with him, with that I found out how passionate he was about the breed,and preserving it. I made sure to check out every picture of his dogs and kennel.... So to say ALL breeders are puppy mills is a huge insult to many wonderful breeders out there. Anette I'm truly sorry you got ripped off, but I can't understand how the hell you spent $3000 on a dog and didn't see pictures of it. We live in a day and age where the breeder could have hit a button on her phone and you could have skyped and seen the dog live! The dog was 5 months old, the breeder should have had at least 1 YouTube video of it. You can't make assumptions about everyone based on your bad experience.

We did see pictures . However you can’t always judge size from a picture. While I am sure there are some reputable breeders out there, it is nearly impossible to separate the good from the bad when the organizations that they pay are prestigious and shield them and their bad practices. Any group that does not police itself will eventually have the same reputation as its worst members.

I resent this victim-blaming to defend corrupt breeders. I took the precautions but got ripped off anyway in part because of this attitude. The AKC is no longer a nonprofit and now registers mixed breeds, but still has the reputation of prestige. While not all breeders are puppy mills there are certainly puppy mills out there claiming to be reputable breeders and have accolades from AKC and other groups that legitimize their unethical behavior.
By the way, I had the same long conversations with Laura who is an excellent salesman and appears to be passionate about the breed until after she has your money and there is a problem. She too has a professional web presence yet that does not make her ethical.

 

[Annette Coleman]

That has been asked and answered many many times by at least 4 different posters.

More valuable because you can Champion a dog. More valuable because most people absolutely do not cheat the system. In fact many people dont even know how relatively simple it is to do so.

More valuable because most pedigrees are 100% accurate.

There are more Pitbull X Mastiff crosses being sold as Cane Corsos without papers than there ever will be with papers.

This is the opinion of breeders not of people outside the show dog community who know how easy papers are to fake. How do you know that most people are honest and ethical? Does producing a champion dog automatically change a person’s moral compass? Or does it just buy a free pass in the dog show world? Just because you are jones and ethical does not mean that you know the practices of all or even most breeders. And, like you said, the system is easy to game...

 

[Justin B.]

This is the opinion of breeders not of people outside the show dog community who know how easy papers are to fake. How do you know that most people are honest and ethical? Does producing a champion dog automatically change a person’s moral compass? Or does it just buy a free pass in the dog show world? Just because you are jones and ethical does not mean that you know the practices of all or even most breeders. And, like you said, the system is easy to game...

"Breeders" are not exclusive to "the show dog community."
Show dog has nothing to do with it.

You are under some false assumptions.
Most people dont get tricked because they follow AT THE VERY LEAST those 9 things I listed. How many of those did you do?

People who follow a process, and pay a fee in order to keep records for there dogs is a much better bet than buying a puppy with nothing with it at all.

Also, did you ever get proof that your dog was of a different breed? Or that its DNA is different from any of its siblings? Your basing your whole argument and point off of a guess if not.

Can you please give an example of people who sell non papered dogs but health test them?

Or people who have non papered dogs but have a real generational pedigree?

 

[Steven C]

So funny about the black dog syndrome. Poor Diesel. I bet he's thinking, " hey I'm here too"! I'm sure he gets lots of cuddles from you and hubby to make up for it..

A big brindle is also intimidating. Our new guy is white, but I think CAO can be intimidating as well. But being they are rare, their is always the crazy ones who run up on your dog, and ask after they start trying to pet, " Does your dog bite?" Lol. I always say," Does he have teeth?" I don't know I don't think I would want to run up on this!

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So true, just last week we pulled up to the 24 hour Walmart so the old lady could grab some avacados at about 11pm. Our CC jumps into the front seat with me in the drivers seat and some lady comes over and asks if she can pet the dog. I'm thinking what? In all my DDB years not one person asked to pet him as a full grown male and suddenly an 10-11 month old CC a lady comes and asks to pet her. Weird. Not only that, even more strange is our CC is not like wagging her tail happy to see people around, she is 100% focused on every spec of even wind flowing.

I said I'm sorry she is working and not very friendly. I said to myself I need to get another velcro piece next to her name that says "working do not pet" I'm not into strange people petting my dogs, let alone guardian dogs.

Is this common? I mean even when I took her as a puppy into Petco people didn't ask to pet her, everyone just thought she was a pb puppy lol.

Perhaps it was a hugs not drugs moment.

 

[TylerDurden]

So true, just last week we pulled up to the 24 hour Walmart so the old lady could grab some avacados at about 11pm. Our CC jumps into the front seat with me in the drivers seat and some lady comes over and asks if she can pet the dog. I'm thinking what? In all my DDB years not one person asked to pet him as a full grown male and suddenly an 10-11 month old CC a lady comes and asks to pet her. Weird. Not only that, even more strange is our CC is not like wagging her tail happy to see people around, she is 100% focused on every spec of even wind flowing.

I said I'm sorry she is working and not very friendly. I said to myself I need to get another velcro piece next to her name that says "working do not pet" I'm not into strange people petting my dogs, let alone guardian dogs.

Is this common? I mean even when I took her as a puppy into Petco people didn't ask to pet her, everyone just thought she was a pb puppy lol.

Perhaps it was a hugs not drugs moment.

I can‘t talk about the CC specifically, but with Mastiffs in general it seems to be very common. I would say it happens 2-3 times during a regular pet store visit that somebody asks the question. I don‘t own a very driven working dog, and I‘m generally fine with it as long as people ask politely and he‘s in the right mood. However, I don‘t allow any stranger to approach without any warning/asking. Based on my EM experience, it seems to be very common. Maybe be less so with dogs that people confuse with their general "Pitbull" image. In many cases its kids asking for it.

 

[Justin B.]

So true, just last week we pulled up to the 24 hour Walmart so the old lady could grab some avacados at about 11pm. Our CC jumps into the front seat with me in the drivers seat and some lady comes over and asks if she can pet the dog. I'm thinking what? In all my DDB years not one person asked to pet him as a full grown male and suddenly an 10-11 month old CC a lady comes and asks to pet her. Weird. Not only that, even more strange is our CC is not like wagging her tail happy to see people around, she is 100% focused on every spec of even wind flowing.

I said I'm sorry she is working and not very friendly. I said to myself I need to get another velcro piece next to her name that says "working do not pet" I'm not into strange people petting my dogs, let alone guardian dogs.

Is this common? I mean even when I took her as a puppy into Petco people didn't ask to pet her, everyone just thought she was a pb puppy lol.

Perhaps it was a hugs not drugs moment.

Yes very common. I am always shocked how many people want to pet my Corsos. Even when they dont want to be. I think most of it stems from how popular and watered down they gotten this is what they say...."my friend/neighbor/or family had one and he was the sweetest thing ever...a big softie....a giant lap dog."
Same thing starting to happen to my Rottweilers. Thats kind of why I switched in the first place.

 

[Steven C]

Yes very common. I am always shocked how many people want to pet my Corsos. Even when they dont want to be. I think most of it stems from how popular and watered down they gotten this is what they say...."my friend/neighbor/or family had one and he was the sweetest thing ever...a big softie....a giant lap dog."
Same thing starting to happen to my Rottweilers. Thats kind of why I switched in the first place.

You switched from Rotties to Corsos? Yes a gentle giant. We stopped Petco visits at around 7 months. I find car ride socialization and early evening laps walking right past people getting out of cars or walking their own dogs much more effective. Do you get the "is that a blue nose" question all the time? I get it in the car and when she was puppy all the time. I actually called the breeder and he said they even sell T shirts that say "no its not a PitBull" lol

@TylerDurden Do you find pet store visits to be decent socialization or just to take the dog out when you go? Do you allow other dogs to come up and sniff ?

 

[TylerDurden]

You switched from Rotties to Corsos? Yes a gentle giant. We stopped Petco visits at around 7 months. I find car ride socialization and early evening laps walking right past people getting out of cars or walking their own dogs much more effective. Do you get the "is that a blue nose" question all the time? I get it in the car and when she was puppy all the time. I actually called the breeder and he said they even sell T shirts that say "no its not a PitBull" lol

@TylerDurden Do you find pet store visits to be decent socialization or just to take the dog out when you go? Do you allow other dogs to come up and sniff ?

Steven, I would say it‘s a combination of both. On the one hand, we used to go there a lot during his first months to buy certain things. On the other hand, I think it can be a decent place for socialization purposes. I‘m not saying it‘s the best place or one that works for all breeds, but it has helped us. I wouldn‘t encourage people to come over to pet him, or to sniff other dogs necessarily, but it just happens. As long as it occurs at my terms, I‘m fine with that. It doesn‘t necessarily have to be the pet store, but it isn‘t always easy to find other pet friendly places. Home Depot and stores like that work, as well. Unfortunately, you will find people who have no clue and act accordingly. There is little you can do about that other than being cautious and in control as much as possible.
Generally, I‘m for socialization in places like the ones mentioned, but there are certain things to watch out for.

 

[April Nicole]

So true, just last week we pulled up to the 24 hour Walmart so the old lady could grab some avacados at about 11pm. Our CC jumps into the front seat with me in the drivers seat and some lady comes over and asks if she can pet the dog. I'm thinking what? In all my DDB years not one person asked to pet him as a full grown male and suddenly an 10-11 month old CC a lady comes and asks to pet her. Weird. Not only that, even more strange is our CC is not like wagging her tail happy to see people around, she is 100% focused on every spec of even wind flowing.

I said I'm sorry she is working and not very friendly. I said to myself I need to get another velcro piece next to her name that says "working do not pet" I'm not into strange people petting my dogs, let alone guardian dogs.

Is this common? I mean even when I took her as a puppy into Petco people didn't ask to pet her, everyone just thought she was a pb puppy lol.

Perhaps it was a hugs not drugs moment.

Wow. Did she move along? ...I have to pull up some pictures of our E.M. mix, he was big like an E.M but his drive was different. The person we got him from thinks the father may have been the neighbors German Shepard. People wanted to pet him all the time. We were traveling at the time for husbands work and at R.V parks. Drunk men would approach all the time. The dogs barking like one more step and I'll tear your a** up! So of course these jerks are like," He's huge and beautiful! Walking up wanting to get all in his face." I told one guy No! And he kept coming. Buster was giving warning, the guy got in his face and Buster jumped on him. Guy looked like he shit himself. Buster didn't bite him or anything. Just jumped on him and barked right in his face. I let him, cause the dude was a perv. And an alcoholic. Watching all the little girls in the area all the time. Even told one woman about her 12 year old daughter, " You make beautiful children, you should keep breeding!" We were at the pool. Everyone was creeper out. I'm concerned with Logan. Most people have never seen a CAO. I'm going to be diligent with letting people know he is working. I think I'll get him a vest. I know their are idiots that can't read or something, so after 6 months old, we will limit his outings to more controlled situations.

 

[TylerDurden]

Wow. Did she move along? ...I have to pull up some pictures of our E.M. mix, he was big like an E.M but his drive was different. The person we got him from thinks the father may have been the neighbors German Shepard. People wanted to pet him all the time. We were traveling at the time for husbands work and at R.V parks. Drunk men would approach all the time. The dogs barking like one more step and I'll tear your a** up! So of course these jerks are like," He's huge and beautiful! Walking up wanting to get all in his face." I told one guy No! And he kept coming. Buster was giving warning, the guy got in his face and Buster jumped on him. Guy looked like he shit himself. Buster didn't bite him or anything. Just jumped on him and barked right in his face. I let him, cause the dude was a perv. And an alcoholic. Watching all the little girls in the area all the time. Even told one woman about her 12 year old daughter, " You make beautiful children, you should keep breeding!" We were at the pool. Everyone was creeper out. I'm concerned with Logan. Most people have never seen a CAO. I'm going to be diligent with letting people know he is working. I think I'll get him a vest. I know their are idiots that can't read or something, so after 6 months old, we will limit his outings to more controlled situations.

Sorry to hear that! Those people will never learn it. I think you are right about the CAO. It‘s a rather exotic breed and most people will not know anything about their characteristics. However, fully grown they can look quite intimidating, which should keep people away.

 

[Justin B.]

You switched from Rotties to Corsos? Yes a gentle giant. We stopped Petco visits at around 7 months. I find car ride socialization and early evening laps walking right past people getting out of cars or walking their own dogs much more effective. Do you get the "is that a blue nose" question all the time? I get it in the car and when she was puppy all the time. I actually called the breeder and he said they even sell T shirts that say "no its not a PitBull" lol

@TylerDurden Do you find pet store visits to be decent socialization or just to take the dog out when you go? Do you allow other dogs to come up and sniff ?

Yes had Rottweilers first. I don't get Pitbull comments at all. Usually people ask if its a Corso or what kind of Mastiff is it or they have no idea in my area