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stud wanted in norfolk uk!

rachieb00

Well-Known Member
Weve got a beautiful ddb x bm bitch that will be 2 in November and would like to have one litter of puppies from her before we get her neutered. Ideally we would like another ddb x bm to breed her with but please let me know what you have!I can email pics of her, she has perdrct temperament and would make a great mum too, fee would be pick of the litter and dog would be needed for around 5 months time. Thanks and I look forward to hearing from anyone!
 

AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
You're probably not going to find what you're looking for here...
I'm moving this post to the breeder section since you're trying to become a "breeder".
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
What happened to your DDBxBM male that you were posting about before? I don't recall you mentioning a bitch before.

Are you really sure you want the responsibility of breeding? You're talking major health risk for the bitch, no matter how healthy she is. Are you up to the potential medical bills if the mating goes badly? Or the birthing? Bitches can die if something goes wrong. Never mind the risk to the pups. Are you up to hand feeding 10 pups every three hours if mom dies or rejects them? What about puppy medical? Even if it all goes well its expensive to provide basic puppy care to a decent sized litter.

What about health testing?? Its more than just having your vet say the dogs are healthy. Has your bitch's hips and elbows been certified dysplasia free? Have you had her heart and eyes checked? DNA checked? And obviously you're going to make sure the stud has had his health tests too right? After all its hardly fair to anyone who buys a pup from you to NOT do those health tests since they could mean major medical down the road.

Speaking of puppy buyers.....are you prepared to keep and provide a permenant home for any pups you can't place? And take back any pups who don't work out in their new homes? Help provide support for puppy buyers if something goes wrong with the pup?
 

rachieb00

Well-Known Member
Hi yes I am more than prepared for breeding and looking after the pups and we are going to keep at least one anyway and we do also have our male who is neutered so obviously cant breed from him. I dont really appreciate the interrogation from only asking for a stud. Thanks for your concern
 

LLJohnson10

Well-Known Member
I dont really appreciate the interrogation from only asking for a stud.

It doesn't sound like an interrogation to me. But since this is an open forum, there is no harm in pointing out the things that you should be cognizant of before breeding (you shouldn't take offense). Not everyone is aware of the actual cost of being a responsible breeder.

I have a question though, that I hope you won't take offense too. Is there a reason that you want to have a litter of puppies before you get her spayed?

I often times have people gush over how beautiful my GSD is, and how he has a great temperament, and also say he should be bred. They don't realize that my GSD also has hip displasia (since he doesn't show outward signs often), and it would be irresponsible of me to pass that on to others.

Personally, I look at intentionally breeding as a major responsibility, and not something to be done out of leisure or experimentation. You are dealing with living creatures which isn't to be taken lightly.


 

broccolini

Well-Known Member
I dont really appreciate the interrogation from only asking for a stud. Thanks for your concern

That's funny. You should absolutely expect to be interrogated before anyone with common sense allows you to use their dog as a stud.

Maybe you should pitch this on Craigslist. Do they have that in the UK? That's where all the good stud owners go to find bitches.
 

cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
You also need to realize that you are on a forum where we are VERY passionate about our breeds. So yes there are gonna be questions and comments about your topic, which you should expect as you are on a public forum.

I for one do not like that someone intentionally cross breeding. Our breeds are getting so messed up from this. Most of owners do not want to see our breeds destroyed any further then they already have been.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
You posted on an open public forum, where we regularly have members who discover the hard way that their puppy's breeder wasn't as nice a person as they thought, and now their pup has bad elbow dysplasia or other health problems that are preventable, and you expected to NOT be questioned??

Breeding is not and should not be a casual thing. Any stud owner who DOESN'T ask you a similer list of questions isn't someone you should be talking too. Oh, and while I"m at it, you need to have both your bitch and the stud checked for brucellosis as close to the breeding as possible. Failure to do so can result in not only dead puppies, but is transmissable to humans.
 

voidecho

Well-Known Member
If you didn't realize these were the types of comments you were going to get, then you didn't read these forums much. In fact, the responses you've got were much tamer than what I expected when I first saw your post. Most of the most active members here are quite opposed to backyard breeders, which is what you sound like you're becoming. Maybe it's different in the UK, but there are so many dogs in shelters here in the US that "just because I want her to have one litter" isn't a good enough reason to add to the problem.

Here's a good chart.

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Th0r

Well-Known Member
I'm going to play Devils Advocate here and say that that chart is nonsense.
If we go by it, only registered dogs should be breed!
I have no problem with BYB as long as they know what they are doing and are only breeding the best males and females.
I personally know about 11 people that purchased puppies from registered reputable breeders that all have issues.
Puppy Mill puppies should be avoided at all cost but non registered breeders are not always bad!
How many times have we in this very forum be very critical about registered breeders and how dishonest they appear to be?


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voidecho

Well-Known Member
The biggest thing for me is that they have it in their contract that if whoever buys one of their dogs doesn't want it anymore, it has to go back to the breeder. If they can't do everything in their power to make sure none of their dogs end up in shelters, then they shouldn't breed. That obviously would entail them keeping in contact with the people who bought their pups.
 

Th0r

Well-Known Member
But why is that the breeders responsibility? If you buy my pup and didn't raise it properly to the point that the dog is psychologically messed up, why should I take it back?
Also why is it expected that the breeder should police the new family on how the dog is raised?
These breeder contracts are not enforceable to begin with.
We should be responsible for how our pups are raised and not point fingers at the breeders.

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cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Most breeders have it in their contracts that if you can not keep the dog, you must notify the breeder and give them the first chance to take the dog back.

Same thing with how the pup is being raised, most true breeders have stipulations in there about it. Home checks, vet records, etc.

My contract as with many others state the above and then some.
But why is that the breeders responsibility? If you buy my pup and didn't raise it properly to the point that the dog is psychologically messed up, why should I take it back?
Also why is it expected that the breeder should police the new family on how the dog is raised?
These breeder contracts are not enforceable to begin with.
We should be responsible for how our pups are raised and not point fingers at the breeders.

Sent from my Nexus 5
 

cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
I think this is norm for a "true" breeder. Every reputable breeder I spoke with had the same things in their contracts. And I spoke with over 50 personally from Canada to Florida.

That's not most breeders, that's just the proper few.

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BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
Hi yes I am more than prepared for breeding and looking after the pups and we are going to keep at least one anyway and we do also have our male who is neutered so obviously cant breed from him. I dont really appreciate the interrogation from only asking for a stud. Thanks for your concern

These are not un-reasonable questions and regardless if others are asking them of you, you should certainly be asking them of yourself. Are you ready to have a c-section done on your female as both the breeds she is a mix of are prone to them. Are you also prepared to potentially lose the female, as that certainly happens more often than you might expect.


I'm going to play Devils Advocate here and say that that chart is nonsense.
If we go by it, only registered dogs should be breed!
I have no problem with BYB as long as they know what they are doing and are only breeding the best males and females.
I personally know about 11 people that purchased puppies from registered reputable breeders that all have issues.
Puppy Mill puppies should be avoided at all cost but non registered breeders are not always bad!
How many times have we in this very forum be very critical about registered breeders and how dishonest they appear to be?
Sent from my Nexus 5

Why do you think non-registered dogs should be bred? I have a serious problem with BYBers but then again I suspect you talk to most that have worked in rescue, shelters or have fostered and you will find most of us do. BYBers as a general rule do not worry if the dogs conform to any standard or have correct temperament, they do not worry about health of the parents or genetic issues, they do not have contracts to protect their puppies as they do not worry about them once they leave their house.

Are there terrible registered breeders? Absolutely, that is why research is important, you get what you put into it. Check those health checks, meet the dogs, get references, do the due diligence. There are never any guarantees when you are dealing with living animals but there are ways to hopefully minimize those cases.

But why is that the breeders responsibility? If you buy my pup and didn't raise it properly to the point that the dog is psychologically messed up, why should I take it back?
Also why is it expected that the breeder should police the new family on how the dog is raised?
These breeder contracts are not enforceable to begin with.
We should be responsible for how our pups are raised and not point fingers at the breeders.

Sent from my Nexus 5

Because a breeder makes a choice to breed their animal, and to avoid those dogs ending up in a shelter where someone has no clue what they are doing with a breed, it should be returned to the breeder. Regardless of age or reason the breeder chose to bring that puppy/dog into the world and need to be responsible for it, even if it is so completely F**ked up that the only course of action ends up being euthanize, at least the dog has someone that will care enough to cry over it in those final few moments.

I have a question, what about a shitty owner? The ones that think they know better? The ones that think there is no problem with one litter and yet know nothing about the fantastic breeds they own outside of their dog. That sign something and never don't follow through? I don't sign stuff that I have no intention of following through on yet I hear horror stories of just those types of owners. They don't do the training or do the health checks before breeding (usual against their contract) and then scream their breeders are not honest or supportive or backing them up.

I am not saying there are not shitty breeders out there, we all know there are but I get so tired of hearing that breeders are always the problem and not the fact we live in a disposable society where even other living creatures are considered throw away items.

I think this is norm for a "true" breeder. Every reputable breeder I spoke with had the same things in their contracts. And I spoke with over 50 personally from Canada to Florida.

Most breeders I know have this clause in their contract.