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Macis 10 week old aggression, please watch these videos and help us!!

I posted on here about a week ago about maci and her aggression. We have seen little to no improvement and I have been doing everything with her that I have been instructed to do. I know it's not going to be a 100% turn around in a week but I recently got these videos posted on YouTube so I could show you guys the way she acts and hopefully you could provide more insight on the problem that we are having with her. Just last night she bit 4 of my friends and they were only trying to pet her. Sometimes she is a sweet loving dog who we love and then she acts like this. I understand in 2 of the videos she has a bone and food but she acts like this for no reason a lot, I'm just trying to show examples of her actions

[video=youtube_share;OGH4D2Oviho]http://youtu.be/OGH4D2Oviho[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cts77as3GBs]http://youtu.be/cts77as3GBs[/video]

[video=youtube_share;uZC_0dIbkAM]http://youtu.be/uZC_0dIbkAM[/video]
 
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I posted on here about a week ago about maci and her aggression. We have seen little to no improvement and I have been doing everything with her that I have been instructed to do. I know it's not going to be a 100% turn around in a week but I recently got these videos posted on YouTube so I could show you guys the way she acts and hopefully you could provide more insight on the problem that we are having with her. Just last night she bit 4 of my friends and they were only trying to pet her. Sometimes she is a sweet loving dog who we love and then she acts like this. I understand in 2 of the videos she has a bone and food but she acts like this for no reason a lot, I'm just trying to show examples of her actions


[video=youtube_share;uZC_0dIbkAM]http://youtu.be/uZC_0dIbkAM[/video]

[video=youtube_share;cts77as3GBs]http://youtu.be/cts77as3GBs[/video]

[video=youtube_share;OGH4D2Oviho]http://youtu.be/OGH4D2Oviho[/video]
 

KristieD

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Oh wow! At 10 weeks old? That seems so out of character for a puppy. Fortunately (for me!) I have never had to deal with something like this so I can't help you.. just want to see the advice given in case I ever have to deal with this. Good luck to you and Maci!
 

cayeesmom

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For a 10 weeks old, yeah she is not playing around. Was she acting like this from day one? I'm trainer but I would stop lifting her up, seams to make things worse, and she will be to heavy to lift shortly anyway. Some dogs really do not like to be picked up in the air. Since she live with other dogs, is she fed alone or with the others around? I would not give her bones or rawhide either, I never could when I had a multi dog home. It would cause problems. Sure others will chime in and give you advice on resource guarding.
 

cayeesmom

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For a 10 weeks old, yeah she is not playing around. Was she acting like this from day one? I'm trainer but I would stop lifting her up, seams to make things worse, and she will be to heavy to lift shortly anyway. Some dogs really do not like to be picked up in the air. Since she live with other dogs, is she fed alone or with the others around? I would not give her bones or rawhide either, I never could when I had a multi dog home. It would cause problems. Sure others will chime in and give you advice on resource guarding.

I'm not a trainer! sometimes I hit the post button to fast:p
 

Jadotha

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In your last thread about Maci, you mentioned you were having a trainer come over to have a look. Did this happen? If so, what did the trainer say?

but she acts like this for no reason a lot
Whilst I have seen or heard about dogs with severe psychological/neurological issues, it has been rare and not with a puppy this young. There is almost always a reason for behaviour. Hence, I have some observations and questions for you.

Watching the videos, I would say this puppy is definitely not in ' play-bitey mode' such as I think many of us were assuming. She seems to 'mean business', but I suspect from all of the ultra-fierce growling going on that it is a defensive strategy -- trying to scare you away from her space --, rather than truly aggressive. A couple of observations: In the videos, you approached her from behind, and touched her without speaking to her first. In one video, she seemed tolerant of your stroking her until you picked her up. I also noticed that in the video where she settled in your arms, you didn't reward the desired behaviour (calming down and allowing herself to be carried) with praise or treats. For her behaviour to change, she needs to associate good things with you and your wife. For the time being, imho, you need to avoid picking her up -- and definitely don't try to restrain her/pin her -- as it appears to lead to panic, and heightened aggressiveness. Here are some things I would try: (I should say we have NEVER had a puppy that behaved this way, but we have worked through issues with two 'Problem Child' dogs (a GD and a rescued IWH -- about to be put down for biting his owner --) who were highly reactive and fear aggressive.

> Make sure she has a personal space where she is not bothered at all, and can feel safe. This could be her crate, her bed in an area of the room, a gated off room, etc. The rule is, when she is there, nobody is allowed to approach or touch her.

> For the time being, put her in her crate or a gated room when friends/company are over. She really needs to get settled in and bonded with your family before she is subjected to a lot of (to her) strangers. Definitely don't let people walk up and pet her. I could be wrong (I'm sure someone will say) but my impression is that this is more important for CC's and harder temperament molossers, than for some other mastiff breeds.

> Speak to her when you approach her (and don't approach her is she is in her safe spot). Preferably call her to you and give her a treat and praise when she obeys, as she does not appear to find petting pleasant. Begin shaping behavious so that you can eventually handle her all over. Start by touching/stroking areas of her body that she seems to enjoy or at least tolerate. Give her lots of praise (and/or treats) when she behaves. Gradually extend the area of petting/handling.

> If you haven't already done so, begin training her. At her age, she should be able to learn and perform commands such as: Sit, down, come, stay. Have several very short sessions per day, and reward with praise and treats. Feed her consistently in the same place, and make her sit before you put her food down. As someone else said, feed your dogs separately, or at least ensure she is fed separately. If she keeps resource guarding her food from you, try putting special goodies (a bit of liver, chicken....) into her bowl by hand whilst she is eating. If she does her ultra growl/snap routine, you may have to feed her by hand for awhile.

> I agree that she should not have bones at this point -- or only give them to her when she is in her safe spot and is not going to be disturbed by other people or dogs. If you do give her a bone or dog biscuit make her obey a command first.


Questions I have for you:

What would you describe as different (circumstances, interactions, who initiated the interaction, what you are doing with her, etc) about scenarios where she is loving and scenarios depicted in the videos?

Did you get to see the conditions of where Maci was living (in the house with the family? Outdoors? In a kennel?) before you got her? Were you you able to watch her interact with her breeder and siblings? Did anything strike you as unusual?

Did the breeder say why he/she was letting the puppies go at 7 weeks?

Have you contacted the breeder about Maci's behaviour?

I ask the above, because thinking back, I do recall one puppy with reactive/fear aggressive/resource guarding behaviours. This puppy, his siblings and Mum lived outdoors with very little human interaction. As his mum was weaning the pups, he had to compete with the others for food, bones and toys. Sometimes, their early circumstances can shed some light on behavioural issues and their solutions.
 

Jadotha

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Another thing I just noticed....I watched the videos with the sound muted, and they didn't seem nearly as bad. For example, she was still snapping (and doing the lunge in the bone video), but she did not seriously snarl or bare her teeth. Her Diva act seems 80% noisy bravado -- which doesn't really change the problem, but suggests it should be easier to fix than first may be evident, and that there is a basically nice puppy under the bluster.
 

cayeesmom

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Another thing I just noticed....I watched the videos with the sound muted, and they didn't seem nearly as bad. For example, she was still snapping (and doing the lunge in the bone video), but she did not seriously snarl or bare her teeth. Her Diva act seems 80% noisy bravado -- which doesn't really change the problem, but suggests it should be easier to fix than first may be evident, and that there is a basically nice puppy under the bluster.

Yes, and I wonder if she is overstimulated. She is so young and need lots of uninterrupted rest and be able to just hang out without being handled by humans or bothered by the other dogs. Not all pups are cuddle-bugs.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Yep! I agree with the over-stimulation Cayeesmom -- that's why I suggested a 'safe place'. Thinks for stating it more clearly!
 

krisx

Well-Known Member
tread carefully, this will grow up into a monster, fast...zero respect.
this puppy needs a dose of reality, fast! she needs to know this is unacceptable. period. don't dance around her and make excuses. this needs to stop.
 

cayeesmom

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tread carefully, this will grow up into a monster, fast...zero respect.
this puppy needs a dose of reality, fast! she needs to know this is unacceptable. period. don't dance around her and make excuses. this needs to stop.

Personally disagree with this, Think this is a young insecure pup, reacting in "panic mode". Being to harsh and I think you might create a fear biter. Was this a older dog yes a reality check would be in order but not at this young age. JMO
 

Smokeycat

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First off I'm going to say that I have no experience with this other than a tiny bit of resource guarding in adolescent dogs but I want to share a couple of observations that I made.
1. The way she was picked up, held and carried could not have been comfortable. I've always made sure to scoop any animal that I have picked up. By scoop I mean that one hand supports the butt while the other supports the chest and they are held against my body, just to give them more security that I'm not going to drop them.
2. Before the first lunge in the videos she is leaning back and curled into herself. From some of the other postings made about canine body language both of these are signs that she is uncomfortable and trying to avoid contact. The lunge occurs after her signals are ignored (in her opinion).
If I was in your shoes my first step would be to stop picking her up unless absolutely necessary and then make sure to scoop her up not pick her up. She calmed down once her body was supported. The next step would be to earn her trust so that she feels safe because to my eyes she doesn't. I would let her do the approaching and make coming a great experience.
At this point everything would have to be positive which also means avoiding all situations that you know have caused problems, be they with family, friends or other animals. Set her up for success not failure.
 

irina

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Finally managed to watch the videos. For some reason they don't show up when I view the thread on an iPad. Jadotha had great questions and suggestions. I would have to repeat some of the previously stated sentiments. This appears to be way too much for her. She does not know you yet, she has not built a bond and learned that you are pleasant to be around. With other dogs and people around she might feel overwhelmed and scared and feels the need to defend herself. Safe spot is great idea. If you know that something sets her off, try to keep her away from situation. If she does not like being touched, don't do it for now, until you gain her trust, and then take baby steps prasing every step of the way whenever she does what you want her to. Teaching her commands will help develop a bond with you and give you a chance to redirect her when needed. Say if she knows sit, you can say no to whatever she is doing and tell her to sit instead. When she does, then you praise and treat her. This way you took a potentially negative situation and turned it into a positive one for you and the dog. Keep us posted.
 
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Th0r

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Resource guarding is an odd behaviour in my case. Shadow never did it with humans but she will get snappy with my uncle's dogs when we are at the cottage. When I brought Thor home, she let him get away with it until he got bigger than her. But still no problems with humans. Just dogs.
You may want to try holding her collar with one hand and then try touching her or taking away her toy or food with the other if you want her to get used to it.
Whatever approach you take to correct the behaviour, you'll have to do it quick while she is a manageable size or else you will have a bigger headache down the road.

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Al and Julie

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IMO you do not trust her and she feels ur emotion making her mote on guard. I would never remove someone or pet as they are eating and not say something at least warn her that you are there.Removing her from the food like tjat just makes her ressource guard even more. If you need to remove her from her food give her something that is worth more than her food ex. high value treat. I would try rubbing hands with coconut oil and let her lick and smell your hands she will associate your hands with something good.use her leash around the house do not pick her up this makes her uncomfortable. if you need to pick her up hold jer at your center core this makes her feel more comfortable and secure. Cc are a lot of work and effort im the end it will be worth it.

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Jadotha

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With every respect, ThOr, in my experience, grabbing a reactive/resource guarding puppy or dog's collar and taking away their food/toy/bone tends to lead to snapping and aggressiveness UNLESS they have been taught, and are responsive to a 'leave it' or 'drop it' command first.