He ourcrosses to other bloodline occasionally but read the peds.. extremely inbred dogs...and among the best in the world at what they do ...but I'll admit the apbt is an outlier in this discussion...actually as a bandog breeder, if you have an issue that isn't lack of size, or lack of man aggression, then the lazy answer is always breed to a solid game dog...I don't often use that solution because it can cause the above two issues if over done, and also adds in more dog aggression which I don't want...I expect mine to work as a pack, and if they have to much da to do thT then I've messed up...other great bandog men like Lee Robinson are less interested in the dogs working togsther...aiming instead to breed one man gangs...this approach dose work it just depends on what you like.
So for a more on topic example...Sparta wildboys...great Presa canarios they breed there...some of the best ever bred. A large percentage of there dogs being sent around the world to improve the local stock are hours bred back to his mother macerena ...these dogs aren't small sickly or week because the ancestors from Linea m Kankas ppb ironbull kingzulu ect were tested and the culls were excluded from the breeding pool for generations. Leaving very few undesirable recessive in play...so they can be bred this way ...I don't advocate buying the first two presas you can get on hoobly and trying to breed them like pits because you probably will not get this quality of stock...and somthing bred to look impressive isn't going to be tested in a sideways manner, by doing its job , like somthing bred to perform, also if you read Presa peds you see a lot of dogs with no known ancestors...those are 1) majareros...cattle dogs bred g or aggression, 2) bandogs 3) mastinos and 4) pits/ bulllterriers...not always mind you...since curto let the cat out of the bag about the bandog like breeding practices during the recovery period , folks have been a little more forthcoming about stuff ...I saw one a few weeks ago that had out of 4 grandparents 1 presa,1 ridge back,1 neo, 1 pitbull...that dog is still in the peds about 8 to 10 Gen back on a lot of dogs....and let's nor forget arbaco who was the first Presa foundation stock dog registered ukc...50/50 pit and MN eo first generation cross...a bandog pure and simple and a fresh cross at that. So Evan when you look and see a very inbred looking ped it helps to remember that the gene pool wasn't kept closed like pits and there are undesirable ressesives lurking in mastiff dna....but guess who uncovers and eliminates them..." puppy mills" who test, andwho arnt afraid to cull failures.
What would you call the knpv lines of the Mal and durtvhie...or rather more correctly...herders...they can have 1/8 any other breed in them , per breed not total...a man who deals in very costly herders told me he figured 1/8 pit and 1/8 dane was the minimum of non mal/ dutchie in the best knpv dogs...he's been to Holland buying dogs and speaks German well...he also buys and sells 50k dogs so I figure he knows more about herders than I'll ever know and those were his fractions. But once the mixing was done they inbred like hell....tested hard...and I mean hard...and unmercfully culled any failure...the result is the modern police and military Mal. ...still not as immune to inbreeding depression as pits but compare to the gsd...it's night and day
...please note these full proof breeding dogs are not dogs most will want to live with...working line presas aren't so bad although they are still a world away from bullmastiffs and douges in ability to spontaneously spew forth chaos at undeniable times...but military grade mass and real game dogs..not petbulls...the difference is to enormous to convey in words...those two are HARD to keep except as they always have been ...the pit on a chain the Mal in a kennel....he'll the Canadians kept most presas on a meter chain ...which is exactly what it sounds like....truth...not politicaly correct but facts. Hounds men often keep there hounds all tethered till iyts hunting time all through the American south.
Imagine a farm keeping labs or terriers or Danes or English mastiff that way....it would be hellish....but to dogs bred that way it's home...
I know thats a major digression but in understanding this you will be able to see that the Cannariann kennels with there meter chains are not the same as a 101 Dalmatians on meter chains, because the tolerances of the dogs are different.
Let's try another one....when I first started breeding dogs I'd say I was a subsistence breeder....I couldn't afford to buy the dogs I needed to stop constant breaking when ever I left my home...so when I was able to breed a litter with some real mandogs in it I had to breed them to what ever u could find that would produce more of the same when I could...on average once every 3 to 5 years, when I could afford it ,or it was given to me. The majority of candidates were rescues...I didn't think of it that way ,but if I didn't take that damn biting trouble making dog it was going to be put down....nowadays I eople would be shure to fixed first to make sure no one else could ever profit from somthing they'd let go ...greedy bastards....so since I was breeding for myself, and giving my excess away or at most trading a pup for a sack of weed, I'd say I was a subsistence breeder...kinda like preservation breeders of ex gamedogs are subsistence breeders
OK let's try some more...
What about some one who's breeding for looks but doesn't show or care about papers...like Greg hermes or 80% of "pit" breeders and almost all bully breeders in my region of appalachia...? Idk what a good neutral term would be can yall chome in ...help me out...
Or what about the breeder who's huge on papers and pure breeding but can't tell you a thing about the dogs in the papers ....
Or what about what I evolved into...a man who tests by using the dogs for the job there bred for and breeds some time 3 litters a year and some years none at all , depending on who's geting old and needs to pass the seed and who is looking so fierce that I can pick and chose who gets a pup from them...I don't use the vet much or do hip test but my dogs free run the Appalachia wilderness with coywolf packs and bobcats and on one occasion Evan a shotgun weildingvgoatman...up and down steppe revines chasing deer and foxes and coons...think I have many cases of bad hips...I'd say I've had two ...one was culled by his littermate brother at 5 months, sadly just days before he was to be picked up to be pet homed, the other had flawless guardian temperament, he was bred once before he fell to his brother in a battle for dominance, I broke it up, but it was to lste...I loved that dog and I'm glad I have one daughter from him who seams to have his temperament and her mother's hips....bad hips rarely get to breed on this mountain.....what kinda bite do you think my dogs hsve...I didn't check detention until about4 or5 years back but most have perfect scissors and a few reverse scissors ...no underbites here...that's not cause I took them for tests it's cause they were bred to be biting dogs and that happens to be the detection that is best suited for the task at hand....I haven't to this time participated in any bite sports...though I'm feeling it's about time to try them out and I did buy a sleve last year to start trying to test them the safe way...for many years my policy was I breed no dog who has not layer fang to flesh on a man in anger, and no dog that quit from the fight that ensued save by being removed by others....by demanding that I got a good foundation of courageous temperament that I'm not shure I'd have gotten playing slave games...the men who were bites weren't saints they were to a one loud violent criminals, often armed and ussuly large....one was Evan firing an AR into my ceiling to scare my g and her friends cause I wasntvhome...one of my dogs removed a NY strip from his left asscheek right thru the jeans and all....the blood pool when I arrived home was impressive ...the pink having already been drug out by his friends....think I need to test at ipo to see if my dogs will bite? I dont...but I will have to figure somthing out as I no longer live that life and this last generation is the first I've ever bred without live bites...I'll have to set up a test for shure...I am not shure if it will be public or in house, or if I care enuff about fancy ob routines to compete, but yes a test is needed and if anyone wants to volunteer to decoy , I'm thankfull to them. So my dogs are proven or from proven stock, there health test is the rustic way there raised and that I don't usually breed them till say 4 yr or older, cause I like to watch and see what they have temperament wise and in mountain running and coyote fighting ability before I give the nod....but you will not find a lot of fancy titles and such nor any show trophy at my cabin...so am I " ethical" ? I'll put my dogs up in private completion with any of the dogmen I've known ...not always under the illusion of wining as I've known some very good dog men ...in a comp of just biting, and coming when cslled....no tracking...I don't got hounds.... no ob ...I don't got herders...just grip and shake till a piece comes off.....in my world my dogs are proven ...but I understand most folks nowadays are lies so if you don't belive what an old hillbilly says online I forgive ya. But if ya want a real man dog ...hit me up...if you raised like I tell ya and he won't amputate somthing of somebody draging you off at 3 yr I'll give ya two to replace him or your money and 50% more back....how's that for a guarentee...never had to pay up yet.
What about the breeder who sells his dogs for thousands and thousands of dollars...who has good solid dogs...maby Evan the kind that can win shows and bite holes...but he charges say 5 or6k a pup...placing them out of reach of those who arnt well off . What's a good neutral name for him.....
What about the breeder who doesn't got nothing but papers cause his dogs ain't shit but he still selksem for thousands cause papers....what should we call him......
Come on folks chime in....I need help....this should be a community effort....
And finally I'll do one last one myself
The budreax(sp?), Crenshaw, Lee Robinsons, Joe Lucero, Manuel Curto, Alonso xerach, Benjamin febeles, Manuel lesadema, Gabi Gallegos, the game keeper who bred Thornley wood terror and so on and so forth...I say we call them master breeders or maby just legends.
Here's to the legends, everyone's got to have somthing to aspire to....as breeders they should be that somthing.
For real though yall chime in and help make new labels...no more back yard breeder nonsinse( we letem do it in the living room like good freeky folk. Hell in the hills that's where we breed the dope hos as well haha)...no more puppy mill....he's got a lot of dogs on the yard...still ain't said if that's good or bad cause it's what he produces that tells that tell
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