Yep, A Fila.....

Discussion in 'General Mastiff Discussion' started by Rugers-Kris, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    if you look at the "galleryof champions" link that I provided the very first "variant" will give you a good idea of what it looks like but I know I have seen better examples of the basset fila before.. i will try to find it for ya.

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    That is no doubt a well trained dog. straight back is NOT a trait seen by CAFIB dogs in any country as it is against the standard. this dog also has a HUGE tuck, tiny ears inserted too high in the head. either way he has his obedience down which i love.

     
  2. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    That is no doubt a well trained dog. straight back is NOT a trait seen by CAFIB dogs in any country as it is against the standard. this dog also has a HUGE tuck, tiny ears inserted too high in the head. either way he has his obedience down which i love.



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    "Nobody imports those things that I know of Juan and nor should they."

    So nobody is importing CBKC champion bloodlines and stock but some how they believe that they have good Filas... well if they are not good enough to win in the CBKC circuit and MOST of them cant pass a CAFIB evaluation then what standard are they really following? The dogs that win championships are suppose to be the epitome (or as close as one can get) to the standard.
     
  3. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    "Nobody imports those things that I know of Juan and nor should they."

    So nobody is importing CBKC champion bloodlines and stock but some how they believe that they have good Filas... well if they are not good enough to win in the CBKC circuit and MOST of them cant pass a CAFIB evaluation then what standard are they really following? The dogs that win championships are suppose to be the epitome (or as close as one can get) to the standard.
     
  4. Rugers-Kris

    Rugers-Kris Active Member

    Well, we all know that I am a newbie and this video is a little fuzzy but the truth is when I see this dog, I don't think "Fila". Is there a website that I can see the background or story that goes with this video? I am assume there is more to it if you are saying that he is CAFIB dog, right? Where did you get that information? I enjoyed the video but I am a "read it" kind of person. :)
     
  5. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member


    No one I know would ever buy a hot dog like that temp or not. Nearly every dog like that is in Brazil not US. The best dogs usually never win shows, its political. I don't show dogs, I work them. Look at your 2011 US CAFIB "Champ", "epitome of the standard", NOT. Just like the recent Itanhandu CAFIB show, the best dog there didn't even win a free sample of Pedigree food as far as I know, of coarse not, itanhandu(the sponsoring kennel) dogs cleaned house as expected. And their dogs were not nearly impressive. Shows are rigged generally, and most real Fila owners could care less.

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    I am not saying it is a CAFIB, I have no idea. It was a guess based on the obedience and straight back. 2 qualities i observe in that type the latter more prevalent in Europe. It could be a CBKC type, although they tend to be slightly less obedient(The truth is the truth).
     
  6. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member

    I am not saying it is a CAFIB, I have no idea. It was a guess based on the obedience and straight back. 2 qualities i observe in that type the latter more prevalent in Europe. It could be a CBKC type, although they tend to be slightly less obedient(The truth is the truth).
     
  7. Rugers-Kris

    Rugers-Kris Active Member

    I guess I misead you. I thought you WERE saying that and I was hoping to follow a link somewhere to read up on the differences.
     
  8. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member

    No problem. Do you speak or read Spanish/Portuguese?
     
  9. Rugers-Kris

    Rugers-Kris Active Member

    I do not which is a downfall when it comes to this research I am finding. :-/
     
  10. girldogue

    girldogue Member

    I can't remember the handler/owners name off the top of my head - but he was a military dog trainer and this was his older fila, Runa. He worked hard and long to accomplish her certifications - I remember having long discussions with him online about it - he is Danish. She was not a CAFIB dog - but she was a good and smart girl with a good trainer.

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    that is where BING translate comes in real handy !! The dog I just imported was from a breeder in Portugal who did not speak english - but with the help of the translators we have had many long chats and had no problem communicating :)
    http://www.bing.com/translator/

     
  11. girldogue

    girldogue Member

    that is where BING translate comes in real handy !! The dog I just imported was from a breeder in Portugal who did not speak english - but with the help of the translators we have had many long chats and had no problem communicating :)
    http://www.bing.com/translator/



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    I think the owners name was Martin ?? LOL

     
  12. girldogue

    girldogue Member

    I think the owners name was Martin ?? LOL

     
  13. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    "No one I know would ever buy a hot dog like that temp or not. Nearly every dog like that is in Brazil not US. The best dogs usually never win shows, its political. I don't show dogs, I work them. Look at your 2011 US CAFIB "Champ", "epitome of the standard", NOT. Just like the recent Itanhandu CAFIB show, the best dog there didn't even win a free sample of Pedigree food as far as I know, of coarse not, itanhandu(the sponsoring kennel) dogs cleaned house as expected. And their dogs were not nearly impressive. Shows are rigged generally, and most real Fila owners could care less."

    Ace, I actually agree with you about those types of dogs are not in the U.S.A. and I for one am very happy about that. Now about CAFIB shows being given to the sponsor of the show... I can attest that that is incorrect. How many times has itanhandu thrown a show and their dogs dont win 1st place? MANY! Now do their dogs still place, yes but they also have the most dogs at their shows. Also when my bitch won the 2011 CAFIB expo in the U.S.A I did NOT sponsor the show, a kennel by the name of Outrageous Shadow Filas did. how do you explain that? the show should have been thrown to that kennel if your way of thinking was correct. Also when Canil Amparo hosts the show their dogs RARELY win (and the owner was the president of CAFIB at one point).Now, my dog is not perfect by any sense of the word and you are preaching to the choir here boss as I AM the biggest critic of my dog. I even find faults and flaws that arent there! lol. I presented about a hundred pics to a judge once and I asked him what he thought, he turned around and asked me what I thought... I proceeded to tear my dog apart and about half way the judge put his hand on my shoulder and said "I think you are being way too hard on her she is not a machine and there is no way every single piece of her could be perfect. She has some faults and a cpl of flaws but she is a very good dog and you're going to have to start viewing the overall dog as well as its individual parts". I am able to do that on some of other peoples' dogs but because she is mine I sit there and stare and wait for faults but she is a good dog to me, not as good as others think she might be but in my eyes just a good dog.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2012
  14. angelbears

    angelbears Active Member

    Juan, you said that only 3 failed out of 25 at the last expo here in the states. That sounds almost like a rubber stamp, I would have expected closer to a 25% fail rate not 12%. Where you and I disagree is you believe that money and favoritism doesn't exist in CAFIB. I think that is very naive.
     
  15. Duetsche_Doggen

    Duetsche_Doggen New Member

    I agree %100
     
  16. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    Angelbears, you seem to be assuming things here... at least half of these dogs had already been evaluated and approved at previous analysis... they could not be disproved! Also some were young dogs of less than a year old and not old enough for a full analysis. Now the thing about $ and CAFIB.. I have stated this before but I guess you missed that post. In the CAFIB shows that we have had CAFIB has not accepted one U.S. Dollar, not in fees, not in fines, not in donation, nada, nothing, zilch! None of the judges have accepted a single red cent either. We pay for their plane ticket, room and board oh and a lil plaque or something as a thank you. CAFIB as an organization did not gain a cent from this in fact they processed all the paper work, updated their site soooo, they actually took a loss on our shows. i'm not being naive i'm being realistic as what happens when you know facts instead of opinion.Also take into account that in the Onciero show about 25% did get reproved but they had alot more dogs that had their initial evaluations then we did at our show. So far our shows have been in the east coast and this leaves 75% of CAFIB fila owners unable to attend. Unfurtunatly even having the show in Cali doesnt guarantee that there will be more filas as it would leave ALL the east coast people out as well as most outside Cali.. traveling with multiple dogs can get REALLY expensive and sometimes impossible. We have been bringing in new dogs and older breedings are getting old enough to have full evals now so we will now be counting on them for out next show and that is all we can do.

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    oh and BTW CAFIB does not like that sway backed fila look. That does not mean that our dogs are straight backed and that is a huge no go for a fila. We dont like extremes in any direction. The dog must be balanced and a huge sway back is detrimental to its movements. If we check out extremes in angulation with the GSD and how it has messed with its movement we can imagine how it would mess with the fila.
     
  17. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    oh and BTW CAFIB does not like that sway backed fila look. That does not mean that our dogs are straight backed and that is a huge no go for a fila. We dont like extremes in any direction. The dog must be balanced and a huge sway back is detrimental to its movements. If we check out extremes in angulation with the GSD and how it has messed with its movement we can imagine how it would mess with the fila.
     
  18. Rugers-Kris

    Rugers-Kris Active Member

    Thanks!! I willlook into Translators next! :)
     
  19. angelbears

    angelbears Active Member

    So, where does CAFIB get its funding?
     
  20. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    donations, CAFIB registered kennel fees, and actual membership fees which "unlock" features on the website. I think they may also charge a fee with HUGE shows like their one big annual show. but even then it is something like a $25 entry fee and like $5 for spectators or something like that. they dont work on a huge budget but they dont need a huge budget.

    BTW dont quote me on that as I am not 100% sure.. if ya want I can find out for you though.
     
    Last edited: Oct 5, 2012

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