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dogman#1

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lol, didnt mean the APBTs just the Filas... the APBTs have to stay away from other dogs in this scenario.. but tall strong fences is still the same and crate and rotate would be if you had multiple game bred APBTs which for a Fila would be crating them or putting them in another room for the people's safety... Anyways I was just saying that the level of responsibility is the same.
 

Rugers-Kris

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Yes, I am. That was the whole point so even though I had no idea this post would cause so much turmoil, it is still serving its purpose because in the midst of it allI am getting a ton of good information. LOL I understand the passion and I can respect it. I had several out of control heated debates about the APBT in my years of owning them (I still do on occasion) because I think they are amazing dogs and people who are so ignorant to believe that they are "bad" dogs get me going for sure!! :-/
[/COLOR]Then that is what matters. Seriously this isn't bad, it is pretty tame compared to some but you are getting lots of good links and valuable info so have fun with your research and enjoy learning about the breed.

 

chuckorlando

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lol, didnt mean the APBTs just the Filas... the APBTs have to stay away from other dogs in this scenario.. but tall strong fences is still the same and crate and rotate would be if you had multiple game bred APBTs which for a Fila would be crating them or putting them in another room for the people's safety... Anyways I was just saying that the level of responsibility is the same.

This is why I say that Filas aint hard to keep. If your realistic about the situation they are no diff than any dog or child. It's the realistic portion that most have issue with

Velcro is an understatement ahahahahahahaha. I get in the shower, Kona' head is licking the tub. Go in the kitchen she hits the gate with her head and whines till she open it or I come out, might a well ask her to pass the TP in the restroom. play time is all the time with her, and when she dont get her attention, AAHHHHH the whine thee dogs have. Then when that dont work, or she aint done being loved, those tree trunk legs and paws land on you......

I've also found they are very inconsiderate of their size. They will knock a child over or a adult for that matter. And they have energy for days. I've always wrestled with my dogs. Kona is the first to run me out of breath to the point it hurts breathing. Like running a mile out of breath. She will pull the recliner with me in it pulling her rope. All the while feet slipping on laminate floor. And motivated, she'll move bout any piece of furniture at our house to get by. If you never seen a 150lb dog leap 4ft into your lap or over a baby gate from a stand, well Fila's can. Kona can be dead sleep and you can walk by with socks on. Carefull to make no sound, and one eye will wink open and watch you. The baseball bat sized tail is an issue all by it's self. That thing is suspect in a rash of spilled coolaid glasses around here. ahahahahahaha.

Sorry for rambling.
 

girldogue

Well-Known Member
no - this was a long time back and I was looking in the US for our 2nd dog.


Ace, I dont know why. He does talk a good game and when he thinks you can help him he is all sweet as can be.

girldogue, did you know about CAFIB back then?
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Yes, I am. That was the whole point so even though I had no idea this post would cause so much turmoil, it is still serving its purpose because in the midst of it allI am getting a ton of good information. LOL I understand the passion and I can respect it. I had several out of control heated debates about the APBT in my years of owning them (I still do on occasion) because I think they are amazing dogs and people who are so ignorant to believe that they are "bad" dogs get me going for sure!! :-/

This aint turmoil, this is a typical Fila convo. Thats why AB said this could get ugly in her first post I believe. Ace and Juan have been down this road many times a you'll find on the fila forum. I would suspect they even get a few private chuckles out of it. hahahaha.

You have basicly 4 kinda Fila folk. 1)Cafib who believes the first standard mr Palo wrote was written with out knowing what a Fila was, later re written to the cafib standard or correct standard. 2) CKBC folks who believe the orig standard (black/dark brindle) and likely other small point is correct. 3)Folks who want money regardless of the breed. Be that mixed, un healthy, bad temp, poor structure, it's all for money. I believe these are on both sides. 4)Folks like me that believe regardless of the two standards, we are 30,40,100 yrs past that point. The breed has evolved to reflect today needs. And those needs vary greatly by country, tate, even person. Thus why I say they need to be labled correctly.

I for one get the cafib deal. I've looked and looked for answers from both camps. But at the end of the day you have theory. Nothing more and nothing less. You have groups of people who "think" a Fila is abc. For everything someone thinks a Fila is, theres a fila that counters that. There are filas with military control. Surrounded by soldiers(They cant know them all) gun shots, and they march lock step un fazed. There are farm fila's that DO allow people to come and go a a farm operate. There are some trained to run obstical coarse and even straight up trained guard filas. Theres some that will lay on the porch and watch, others that wont let you inside 100yd. Some that see the world as a threat, others that are very adapt at being in tune with actual threats and their owners. And even one that wont bust a grape. And all these can be found on both sides of the fence.
 

Rugers-Kris

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LMAO. I do understand, Chuck. Ruger goes into the bathroom with me (I don't know if you saw my "stuck in the toilet" post), he sits on my feet while I am standing because he can't get in my lap. He screams like a lunatic if I walk into any room and he can't follow. He refuses to stay outside unless I am with him. The never leave you alone part is something I am more than equipped for! :)
This is why I say that Filas aint hard to keep. If your realistic about the situation they are no diff than any dog or child. It's the realistic portion that most have issue with

Velcro is an understatement ahahahahahahaha. I get in the shower, Kona' head is licking the tub. Go in the kitchen she hits the gate with her head and whines till she open it or I come out, might a well ask her to pass the TP in the restroom. play time is all the time with her, and when she dont get her attention, AAHHHHH the whine thee dogs have. Then when that dont work, or she aint done being loved, those tree trunk legs and paws land on you......

I've also found they are very inconsiderate of their size. They will knock a child over or a adult for that matter. And they have energy for days. I've always wrestled with my dogs. Kona is the first to run me out of breath to the point it hurts breathing. Like running a mile out of breath. She will pull the recliner with me in it pulling her rope. All the while feet slipping on laminate floor. And motivated, she'll move bout any piece of furniture at our house to get by. If you never seen a 150lb dog leap 4ft into your lap or over a baby gate from a stand, well Fila's can. Kona can be dead sleep and you can walk by with socks on. Carefull to make no sound, and one eye will wink open and watch you. The baseball bat sized tail is an issue all by it's self. That thing is suspect in a rash of spilled coolaid glasses around here. ahahahahahaha.

Sorry for rambling.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I enjoy it for the most part. The worst for me is sweeping. She feels that pile needs to be sniffed, stood in, and possibly laid in
 

aceoutdoor

Well-Known Member
This aint turmoil, this is a typical Fila convo. Thats why AB said this could get ugly in her first post I believe. Ace and Juan have been down this road many times a you'll find on the fila forum. I would suspect they even get a few private chuckles out of it. hahahaha.

You have basicly 4 kinda Fila folk. 1)Cafib who believes the first standard mr Palo wrote was written with out knowing what a Fila was, later re written to the cafib standard or correct standard. 2) CKBC folks who believe the orig standard (black/dark brindle) and likely other small point is correct. 3)Folks who want money regardless of the breed. Be that mixed, un healthy, bad temp, poor structure, it's all for money. I believe these are on both sides. 4)Folks like me that believe regardless of the two standards, we are 30,40,100 yrs past that point. The breed has evolved to reflect today needs. And those needs vary greatly by country, tate, even person. Thus why I say they need to be labled correctly.

I for one get the cafib deal. I've looked and looked for answers from both camps. But at the end of the day you have theory. Nothing more and nothing less. You have groups of people who "think" a Fila is abc. For everything someone thinks a Fila is, theres a fila that counters that. There are filas with military control. Surrounded by soldiers(They cant know them all) gun shots, and they march lock step un fazed. There are farm fila's that DO allow people to come and go a a farm operate. There are some trained to run obstical coarse and even straight up trained guard filas. Theres some that will lay on the porch and watch, others that wont let you inside 100yd. Some that see the world as a threat, others that are very adapt at being in tune with actual threats and their owners. And even one that wont bust a grape. And all these can be found on both sides of the fence.

Well Said Chuck
 

moonglow

Well-Known Member
This is why I say that Filas aint hard to keep. If your realistic about the situation they are no diff than any dog or child. It's the realistic portion that most have issue with

Velcro is an understatement ahahahahahahaha. I get in the shower, Kona' head is licking the tub. Go in the kitchen she hits the gate with her head and whines till she open it or I come out, might a well ask her to pass the TP in the restroom. play time is all the time with her, and when she dont get her attention, AAHHHHH the whine thee dogs have. Then when that dont work, or she aint done being loved, those tree trunk legs and paws land on you......

I've also found they are very inconsiderate of their size. They will knock a child over or a adult for that matter. And they have energy for days. I've always wrestled with my dogs. Kona is the first to run me out of breath to the point it hurts breathing. Like running a mile out of breath. She will pull the recliner with me in it pulling her rope. All the while feet slipping on laminate floor. And motivated, she'll move bout any piece of furniture at our house to get by. If you never seen a 150lb dog leap 4ft into your lap or over a baby gate from a stand, well Fila's can. Kona can be dead sleep and you can walk by with socks on. Carefull to make no sound, and one eye will wink open and watch you. The baseball bat sized tail is an issue all by it's self. That thing is suspect in a rash of spilled coolaid glasses around here. ahahahahahaha.

Sorry for rambling.

Chuck - My CC puppy Skyler is very similar to your Kona in his behavior. I think it was Blackshadow who mentioned the Velcro effect in CC. But yeah Skyler likes to know where I am at any given moment. If I am out of eye sight for one second he is instantly looking for me, he can be in the middle of chewing on an awesome toy he loves but if I leave the room he drops the toy and searches for me. The whining and crying not fun at all, if I put Sky in his crate and leave the room he is fine, but if I am in the room or if I have just gotten home he starts whining immediately which escalates to barking if I don't come soon enough. It's funny his is crated on the second floor and if he hears me by the stairwell he will quiet immediately because he knows I will only appear when he is quiet but if I take too long the whining starts again. He is also very high energy, at first I tried to limit the amount of exercise he gets because I know growing puppies need their sleep but Sky seems to need less sleep than most and is ready and raring to go all the time, down time is not a concept he is all that familiar with. Ever since the day I got him at 8 weeks old he has been a super light sleeper in regards to me moving, he can seem dead to the world but if I get up or move around a bit he is instantly awake looking at me. Even in the middle of the night, if I wake up for whatever reason Sky starts whining for attention in his crate. I don't even have to move and he knows I am awake. One aspect I am glad I don't have to deal with the WMD that some dogs call a tail. I had a Pit Bull mix who had a long thin tail that felt like a bull whip, my mom even got bruises from once or twice and we never had anything on tables that were tail hight.

It seems to me that Corsi seem to be Fila 'Lite'. Anyone is free to correct me in this as I have never encountered a Fila, and only have a CC puppy. This is just the conclusion that I have drawn from reading of people's experiences and reading about the breeds. They seem to be pretty similar on the degree of their 'velcro-ness' and the area they vary the most, besides in looks, in is toleration of strangers dogs with the proper temperaments. Filas seem to view anything outside of their home unit as a threat, even people they have met before and from what I have read this is pretty consistent dog to dog. CC can be taught to accept/tolerate new people IF their owner tells them it is OK, the degree of toleration in the dog seems to vary in degree along different lines and such but even when they are confronted with someone they view as a threat they are more likely to sit/stand in front of the owner and stare or bark rather then lunge right away like the Fila. Has any one owned both breeds? If so I would love to hear about it and your thoughts one the similarities. Maybe if someone is apprehensive about getting a Fila or if they live in a more populated area they could try a CC, kind of like training wheels, LMAO. That is not to say CC are easy dogs by any means but like I said they seem to have many of the same characteristics with CC being not as hard as a Fila in regards to stangers. Again I am not an expert in any way shape or form so corrections are welcome from voices of experience.

Sorry for the long somewhat OT post, it seems to be something of a bad habit of mine :eek: I tend to get long winded and wordy when I feel strongly about something or 'think' I know about something. Rugers-Kris it sounds like you totally know what you are doing and I wish you luck in finding the right Fila for you.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
I think alot of the big dogs share alot of traits. But Fila's are not like any other dog really. Besides their distrust of strangers which far as I know, only filas have inherent to them. But also physicly. I've heard many times "that dog looks like a hound" as a put down. I understand the intent a well. But to me, they all look like hounds. No other molosser I know of look like a Fila. This fault or that, they all have or should have that fila look. The way they walk and just move in genral is very unique. Right down to the dopey sad faces.

I do think alot of thee big dog share alot of traits though far as caracter goes. Each breed seems to have a few things that make them diff from the last
 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
Thank you, moonglow! It is a long road to figure out exactly what I want versus what is out there but I am totally enjoying the research and learning so much thanks to so many folks that are willing to lend me their opinions. I am excited about getting a Fila.
Chuck - My CC puppy Skyler is very similar to your Kona in his behavior. I think it was Blackshadow who mentioned the Velcro effect in CC. But yeah Skyler likes to know where I am at any given moment. If I am out of eye sight for one second he is instantly looking for me, he can be in the middle of chewing on an awesome toy he loves but if I leave the room he drops the toy and searches for me. The whining and crying not fun at all, if I put Sky in his crate and leave the room he is fine, but if I am in the room or if I have just gotten home he starts whining immediately which escalates to barking if I don't come soon enough. It's funny his is crated on the second floor and if he hears me by the stairwell he will quiet immediately because he knows I will only appear when he is quiet but if I take too long the whining starts again. He is also very high energy, at first I tried to limit the amount of exercise he gets because I know growing puppies need their sleep but Sky seems to need less sleep than most and is ready and raring to go all the time, down time is not a concept he is all that familiar with. Ever since the day I got him at 8 weeks old he has been a super light sleeper in regards to me moving, he can seem dead to the world but if I get up or move around a bit he is instantly awake looking at me. Even in the middle of the night, if I wake up for whatever reason Sky starts whining for attention in his crate. I don't even have to move and he knows I am awake. One aspect I am glad I don't have to deal with the WMD that some dogs call a tail. I had a Pit Bull mix who had a long thin tail that felt like a bull whip, my mom even got bruises from once or twice and we never had anything on tables that were tail hight.

It seems to me that Corsi seem to be Fila 'Lite'. Anyone is free to correct me in this as I have never encountered a Fila, and only have a CC puppy. This is just the conclusion that I have drawn from reading of people's experiences and reading about the breeds. They seem to be pretty similar on the degree of their 'velcro-ness' and the area they vary the most, besides in looks, in is toleration of strangers dogs with the proper temperaments. Filas seem to view anything outside of their home unit as a threat, even people they have met before and from what I have read this is pretty consistent dog to dog. CC can be taught to accept/tolerate new people IF their owner tells them it is OK, the degree of toleration in the dog seems to vary in degree along different lines and such but even when they are confronted with someone they view as a threat they are more likely to sit/stand in front of the owner and stare or bark rather then lunge right away like the Fila. Has any one owned both breeds? If so I would love to hear about it and your thoughts one the similarities. Maybe if someone is apprehensive about getting a Fila or if they live in a more populated area they could try a CC, kind of like training wheels, LMAO. That is not to say CC are easy dogs by any means but like I said they seem to have many of the same characteristics with CC being not as hard as a Fila in regards to stangers. Again I am not an expert in any way shape or form so corrections are welcome from voices of experience.

Sorry for the long somewhat OT post, it seems to be something of a bad habit of mine :eek: I tend to get long winded and wordy when I feel strongly about something or 'think' I know about something. Rugers-Kris it sounds like you totally know what you are doing and I wish you luck in finding the right Fila for you.
 

Cody

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Moonglow, the Fila should have a hatred towards strangers, no tolerance. A correct CC should be indifferent, watching for a potential threat, but non reactive unless that is present. With a CC a random stranger should be able to approach, talk to you and pet your dog. Their aloof nature should allow them to be indifferent to that stranger, as in they do not seek out the attention nor do they shy from it, they simply should not give a rats *ss if they get pet or not.
Ruger you have to keep us up on your research.
I am very intrigued by Fila's, I know we are no where near being able to own one yet, but the more I learn the more I want to know lol.
Besides the arguments are so close to the arguments in the CC world it almost makes me miss the now defunct CC forums :D now we get the drama on FB where one can just delete the comments they don't like. Hehehe... Welcome to the purebred world. I hear at the Ridge back Nationals here it got so bad the police were called and assault charges laid.
 

Rugers-Kris

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I will, Cody!! I have been intrigued by this breed since the first time I read about them and have been obsessed with them every since. Yes, the forum does make you deal with what you said since there is no delete button! LOL I went through some pretty crazy debates/arguments when I had APBT's as well and I must admit that I have kind of missed the passion of this world, too. This, of course, does not take away from my Ruger as he is fantastic and I wouldn't trade him for the world but the EM is not exactly a controversial breed so it has been some time since I was engulfed in this type of thing. I get more excited the more I research. I will keep you abreast!! :)
Moonglow, the Fila should have a hatred towards strangers, no tolerance. A correct CC should be indifferent, watching for a potential threat, but non reactive unless that is present. With a CC a random stranger should be able to approach, talk to you and pet your dog. Their aloof nature should allow them to be indifferent to that stranger, as in they do not seek out the attention nor do they shy from it, they simply should not give a rats *ss if they get pet or not.
Ruger you have to keep us up on your research.
I am very intrigued by Fila's, I know we are no where near being able to own one yet, but the more I learn the more I want to know lol.
Besides the arguments are so close to the arguments in the CC world it almost makes me miss the now defunct CC forums :D now we get the drama on FB where one can just delete the comments they don't like. Hehehe... Welcome to the purebred world. I hear at the Ridge back Nationals here it got so bad the police were called and assault charges laid.
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
This aint turmoil, this is a typical Fila convo. Thats why AB said this could get ugly in her first post I believe. Ace and Juan have been down this road many times a you'll find on the fila forum. I would suspect they even get a few private chuckles out of it. hahahaha.

You have basicly 4 kinda Fila folk. 1)Cafib who believes the first standard mr Palo wrote was written with out knowing what a Fila was, later re written to the cafib standard or correct standard. 2) CKBC folks who believe the orig standard (black/dark brindle) and likely other small point is correct. 3)Folks who want money regardless of the breed. Be that mixed, un healthy, bad temp, poor structure, it's all for money. I believe these are on both sides. 4)Folks like me that believe regardless of the two standards, we are 30,40,100 yrs past that point. The breed has evolved to reflect today needs. And those needs vary greatly by country, tate, even person. Thus why I say they need to be labled correctly.

I for one get the cafib deal. I've looked and looked for answers from both camps. But at the end of the day you have theory. Nothing more and nothing less. You have groups of people who "think" a Fila is abc. For everything someone thinks a Fila is, theres a fila that counters that. There are filas with military control. Surrounded by soldiers(They cant know them all) gun shots, and they march lock step un fazed. There are farm fila's that DO allow people to come and go a a farm operate. There are some trained to run obstical coarse and even straight up trained guard filas. Theres some that will lay on the porch and watch, others that wont let you inside 100yd. Some that see the world as a threat, others that are very adapt at being in tune with actual threats and their owners. And even one that wont bust a grape. And all these can be found on both sides of the fence.

Chuck, I dont understand how you can say it is opinions vs opinions (apples to apples. I have given FACTS that are easily researchable and easy to be proven it is apples to oranges, FACT vs opinion when we talk about CAFIB vs non CAFIB. it is not an opinion that PSC (Paolo Santos Cruz) didnt know anything about the Fila when he wrote the first standard, HE SAID it himself as a FACT! His letter is easily found. Also the CBKC does NOT follow his original standard their standard has changed 3-4 times since the original with good reason. The standard that is followed now was written sometime in the 1990s (late I believe) making the CAFIB standard about 20yrs older as it has never changed. The original standard was so insanely vague that it needed to be changed anyways.. i dont have it with me at work but that too can be found via research, it was so vague that pretty much ANY molosser dog in existence fit snugly into it. About the military work thing... also incorrect. first off there are very few Filas working as military dogs infact I only have heard of one! That particular dog HAS to me muzzled when being walked in public because it goes after everyone. There is a new breeder who is a former MP in Brazil who trains his fila to work and he can tell you that it is not a gsd and CANNOT be handed off to everyone...BTW he has CAFIB type dogs. there are some working dogs, even gsds, labs etc that just cannot be handled by others and when the owner retires so does the dog. Again, not opinions but FACTS!
 

Ralo

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I would like one for the protection but I wouldn't want to shut it out every time someone came over or not let him out without a leash.
 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
IMO,that is where lifestyle comes in. I do not have alot of company. On the rare occasion I am social, I will go out but other than the kids and grandkids, I don't have much in the way of company as a rule. I don't think that if you have a very busy household with a lot of visitors, that the Fila would be the dog for you. As far as a leash goes, I don't let Ruger out without a leash and am not a believer in any dog being off leash away their home except for the places designated for such and the truth is, I don't take my dog (nor have I ever) to off leash events because I don't trust other people. I'm still a newbie and I don't own a Fila yet but Lifestyle and housing are two of the first things that need to be considered, IMO. I definitely agree that Fila's are not the dogs for everyone but I believe they are the perfect fit for me. When I want to be social with a dog,I have my sweet Ruger for that. LOL
I would like one for the protection but I wouldn't want to shut it out every time someone came over or not let him out without a leash.