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Yep, A Fila.....

Rugers-Kris

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I understand why that statement made you think that but more than anything I was saying that I was leaning in the direction of CAFIB. The point to this post and to the research that I have been doing is to get the dog I want and not what everyone else likes but in order to do that I have to understand the sides. Also, I like to think that I am fairly intelligent and not easliy hoodwinked. I have never owned a Fila prior to this obviously but I do not take pet ownership lightly and I would think this discussion proves that. In the beginning of this post I pointed out that I was not only waiting for research reasons but because I am building a house on some property that I own and felt that was a better placement for this particular breed. Prior to Ruger (EM) I have only ever owned APBT and I understand that thier temperment is not the same but Iowned them and for all of the good and the bad ,they were mine. We spent 15 years together and death was the reason I let them go. I appreciate the good wishes and there is no doubt I will succeed in getting the Fila puppy that is just right for me and I have no doubt that I am the perfect owner for a Fila puppy as well.
This led me to believe you already made up your mind based on "facts" you read without ever seeing actual dogs. I was trying to make sure you did not get hoodwinked and formed your own opinion not bought into hype. Too many people who have no business owning this breed own them and give them up which hurts the breed. Many of these dogs end up getting gassed because people thought this was the breed for them. You can never understand the unique, and sometimes annoying as well as dangerous qualities these dogs posses until you spend significant time observing them. No one can put that into a PM. The less people that own them the better. If you have owned hard temped dogs before and have the appropriate living situation I wish you the best in your search.


Juan we have been around the block. I made a point of the generally accepted makeup, in reality it is all theory. And I was describing the Temp style of the old bloodhound in relation to those dogs compared to the new bloodhound, which in reality are completely different dogs temp wise. BTW Cafib breeders have switched to CBKC stock as well as the other way. If any of the CAFIB dogs I have seen were better in any significant way I would own them, period. And the Borghetto mix breeding thing, I believe we have completely different understandings of that story. No slap on the backs here, the truth hurts, and I have never publicly recommended a breeder online and probably never will. I have called out breeders selling unhealthy pups and with HD problems as well as dishonest breeders on my type and yours. I would never defend these breeders. You shouldn't defend Itanhandu, but you have a business relationship with them.


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For the record, I had two APBT's adn anyone that has ever owned them knows that they are not an easy breed in many aspects. My dogs were Healthy, polite, well mannered, happy and loved with all of my heart. I am not perfect by any means but I can honestly say that I am one of the best pet owners that you willever find. I am dedicated and capable and do not enter into the idea of a new pet without the absolute knowledge that it is a forever situation no matter what may happen..........:)
 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
For the record, I had two APBT's adn anyone that has ever owned them knows that they are not an easy breed in many aspects. My dogs were Healthy, polite, well mannered, happy and loved with all of my heart. I am not perfect by any means but I can honestly say that I am one of the best pet owners that you willever find. I am dedicated and capable and do not enter into the idea of a new pet without the absolute knowledge that it is a forever situation no matter what may happen..........:)
 

dogman#1

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Actually, I dont remember who it was as it was over a year ago. I know of MANY non CAFIB kennels that have CAFIB dogs and I am very friendly with them. They know my stance and agree with it for the most part... Did you know that there are many non CAFIB breeders that will never own a black specimen and the reason is the same as CAFIB's? They buy and breed CAFIB filas and breed them with specimens from their own old breedings that they believe dont show signs of being mixed bred... Many look great, some throw very inconsistent litters but for the most part are very good, they dont, however participate in the CAFIB shows.

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For the record, I had two APBT's adn anyone that has ever owned them knows that they are not an easy breed in many aspects. My dogs were Healthy, polite, well mannered, happy and loved with all of my heart. I am not perfect by any means but I can honestly say that I am one of the best pet owners that you willever find. I am dedicated and capable and do not enter into the idea of a new pet without the absolute knowledge that it is a forever situation no matter what may happen..........:)

Rugers, its pretty obvious that anyone who wants to do as much research into a specific breed as you do would be a good owner of one.
 

dogman#1

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For the record, I had two APBT's adn anyone that has ever owned them knows that they are not an easy breed in many aspects. My dogs were Healthy, polite, well mannered, happy and loved with all of my heart. I am not perfect by any means but I can honestly say that I am one of the best pet owners that you willever find. I am dedicated and capable and do not enter into the idea of a new pet without the absolute knowledge that it is a forever situation no matter what may happen..........:)

Rugers, its pretty obvious that anyone who wants to do as much research into a specific breed as you do would be a good owner of one. Also the responsibility that one needs for an APBT with proper temp is the same as one would need for a Fila with proper temp... stay away from strangers while walking, good strong, tall fence and a room or crate when someone comes over..
 
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BlackShadowCaneCorso

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OMG it is like reading a corso forum here :p Good luck with your search, while the temperament appeals to me (not for my current position in life but later in life) I don't think I could get past the look of them :) But my father says the same about my dogs since they aren't labs :)
 

Rugers-Kris

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Thanks!!!I know but they are beautiful to me!!! :)
OMG it is like reading a corso forum here :p Good luck with your search, while the temperament appeals to me (not for my current position in life but later in life) I don't think I could get past the look of them :) But my father says the same about my dogs since they aren't labs :)


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Thanks!! I can handle that!!
Rugers, its pretty obvious that anyone who wants to do as much research into a specific breed as you do would be a good owner of one. Also the responsibility that one needs for an APBT with proper temp is the same as one would need for a Fila with proper temp... stay away from strangers while walking, good strong, tall fence and a room or crate when someone comes over..
 

Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
Thanks!! I can handle that!!
Rugers, its pretty obvious that anyone who wants to do as much research into a specific breed as you do would be a good owner of one. Also the responsibility that one needs for an APBT with proper temp is the same as one would need for a Fila with proper temp... stay away from strangers while walking, good strong, tall fence and a room or crate when someone comes over..
 

aceoutdoor

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stay away from strangers while walking, good strong, tall fence and a room or crate when someone comes over..

My dogs know how to open doors so I have to slide the fridge in front of the door when I have company.

And make sure everyone in your house is a dog lover because Filas can NEVER get enough attention and some puppies get returned or given up because people never full grasp that until they experience it.
 

dogman#1

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My dogs know how to open doors so I have to slide the fridge in front of the door when I have company.

And make sure everyone in your house is a dog lover because Filas can NEVER get enough attention and some puppies get returned or given up because people never full grasp that until they experience it.

This is true,, they are unbelievably annoying even as adults... they are always on you, touching you all the time, it gets old quick, trust me.
 

Rugers-Kris

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LOL. Ruger has recently learned to open doors. In my house, you love dogs or get the hell out!!!! :)
My dogs know how to open doors so I have to slide the fridge in front of the door when I have company.

And make sure everyone in your house is a dog lover because Filas can NEVER get enough attention and some puppies get returned or given up because people never full grasp that until they experience it.


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Oh, Ruger has the velco effect down pat THAT I am more than accustomed to!I have taken a breath without him since I brought him home!!
This is called the velcro effect with corsi :)
 

girldogue

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the Camping filas I knew back in the day were sloppy and rather homely dogs - all had health issues ( bad hips/cherry eyes) and were not correct temperament - some had dog aggression issues also .. I am not saying they all were like that - but when we were looking for another fila back then ( this is years ago) we did not want anything that was from the lines of the dogs of hers we had seen...

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So basically "BTW not to seem TOO one sided here is a link to Ms. Kuels rebuttal" (ps she is a liar).

Rugers-Kris since this is probably new to you Clelia Kruel is a retired breeder, FCI judge and author of several books on Filas. She bred large, heavy boned, functional, hard temped CBKC type Filas and is HATED by CAFIB people and they have done everything in their power to slander and discredit her. If you do your research you will find honesty and humility are not the CAFIB's strongest traits for sure, which is why many respectable breeders stay away from that orginization entirely. BTW Mrs. Kruels bloodlines were Do Camping and they still exist under other kennels name to this day(some in strong % due to linebreeding). And I can tell you from first hand experience these lines tend to have excellent prey drive which is rare in todays Filas, but very evident and documented in Filas over the last 200 years.
 

dogman#1

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Ace, I dont know why. He does talk a good game and when he thinks you can help him he is all sweet as can be.

girldogue, did you know about CAFIB back then?
 

CaneCorso

Well-Known Member
Rugers, its pretty obvious that anyone who wants to do as much research into a specific breed as you do would be a good owner of one. Also the responsibility that one needs for an APBT with proper temp is the same as one would need for a Fila with proper temp... stay away from strangers while walking, good strong, tall fence and a room or crate when someone comes over..
Hey, what's up Dogman. Maybe I missed something but out of curiosity why did your APBTs have to stay away from strangers, and be crated when you had people over?I've had 2 APBT which I believed had proper temps, which meant they are very friendley with most all people. Now other dogs/ other animals, that's a different story.