business relationship you say? and what would that be? I have bought 2 dogs from them and have had about 8 others buy dogs from them WHEN they have a good breeding. The reason I have chosen to recommend them in the past (and maybe in the future) was when they had a breeding of which I would like to own myself. I will now tell you why they seem to produce dogs that I like... They have dogs from almost every single CAFIB bloodline known as well as dogs from bloodlines that no longer exist, ie jaguara, jawa and engenho velho. They have a HUGE stock of diverse bloodlines and have the ability to produce some great dogs and have produced some as is evident by their multiple champions in Brazil, USA, EU, etc. I have also bought dogs from other kennels and have recommended other kennels with specific breedings to others.. I also bought a dog from a CBKC kennel... THAT'S RIGHT I SAID THAT! it was a nice dog with a very nice CAFIB pedigree but owned and bred under a CBKC kennel name... the dog didnt turn out though, no fault of the breeder just not show/breeding quality in my eyes.
I dont need to "defend" Itanhandu I say what I have seen/witnessed and know to be facts about them. If you say a lie (an untruth, fiction) im going to call you out on it as I have in the past. I believe it was "Tiger" who said that he went to Lions Den kennel and stated that he saw clean kennels and healthy dogs with true temp... maybe he has a business relationship with Luis Yanez, Lol.
Chuck, I hears ya. The issue is that when looking at a dog that has the Fila name on it automatically makes you look for fila stuff on it. while it may have a fila head it may have aspects of other breeds on it, while it may have a gentle stop it may also have round eyes and excessive dewlap, etc. The CAFIB judges and secretary of CAFIB already stated that if a Black dog presented itself for an evaluation and showed no signs of mixed breeding they would approve it but that it hasnt happened in 30 somewhat years so they are afraid it will never happen and that it is as mystical a creature as the unicorn... lots of sightings but no proof. Let's take that American Mastiff thing... it looks like an English mastiff to me, acts like an English mastiff so using your reasoning... it must be an English mastiff, right? well it seems to go a bit further than that and someone that is very keen on the English mastiff breed will be able to point out the faults the will equate the American mastiff to a mutt... same thing here bro.
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Also I was made a fool of once by the CBKC breeders... lets just say one of them is very good at photoshop... They took a CAFIB dog and photoshopped it black... I was invited by them to see the dog and all I could say was WOW! the dog had a tiny amount of flaws but it was black. I copied the picture and sent it to several breeders and judges and they said WOW, unbelievable... everyone wanted to see the dog in person, lol... Finally someone with a better eye than mine said "wait a min that is CAFIB Champion XYZ!" They took a CAFIB Champion from Alto Quatis and photoshopped him black... I felt stupic for not recognizing him but what the hell.. the point is that I was in awe seeing the first true "Black fila" ever, to me the dog was as near as perfection as one could get... It still shows that I dont care about the color itself as well as other CAFIB folks who were as anxious as me to get this dog approved however, as usual it was a lie but it was a lie that backfired at the CBKC folks as their goal was for us to point out how mixed bred it was and instead we we loved it, lol.
On the flip side I did the same thing to them... I digitally aged a pic of an African tribesman with a hyena... the pic was so distorted and it just looked like a gigantic dog with a person... well they jumped on it saying "you see how big the old filas were!" well the pic made it to 3 Non CAFIB forums before someone recognized it... I had the last laugh!
