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Would Love Opinions on Vaccinating our EM!!

futureowner

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I have read an article that says the first 3 sets of shots and the 3 year Rabies Vaccine is really all our puppy needs but I know our vet will push for him to be vaccinated every year! What do you all do for your dogs?? I definitely don't want my puppy to be over vaccinated and then be more susceptible to viruses :confused:
 

Kelly

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My vet pushes for titering before vaccinations. haven't had to vaccinate Tess or Jovo for years. Other than rabies. but actually my vet didn't vaccinate Tess for that either last time, we dont have rabies in BC so no need. if I had plans to take them to the US I'd have to but since i dont, no need.

Is it not possible to find a vet that wont push for you to give them every possible cent they can? Anything like a holistic vet in your area?
 

futureowner

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My vet pushes for titering before vaccinations. haven't had to vaccinate Tess or Jovo for years. Other than rabies. but actually my vet didn't vaccinate Tess for that either last time, we dont have rabies in BC so no need. if I had plans to take them to the US I'd have to but since i dont, no need.

Is it not possible to find a vet that wont push for you to give them every possible cent they can? Anything like a holistic vet in your area?


I'm not sure if there is or not, I will definitely look into it. I don't mind the 3 year Rabies vaccine but for everything else, is it necessary to do it every year??
 

ruthcatrin

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My personal opinions on vaccines:

Rabies: If your dog is exposed to rabies its a guaranteed death sentence if not vaccinated. Even if it wasn't required by law I'd get it for both my dogs, however I'd consider titering instead of auto-revaccinating if it was allowed in my area.

Distemper/Parvo: Both also really nasty diseases. Although treatments are availible they're costly and the rate of death even with treatment is still pretty high. My dogs are titered for both in place of automatic booster shots. If the antibody levels fall below the prefered levels they'll receive more shots. Note: in some areas titers are more expensive than the vaccine. I'm lucky and live about an hour from Cornell, so they don't actually cost me all that much. (also note: neither of my dogs received their 3rd puppy shot, we titered before administering and both passed with flying colors)

Bordatella (aka Kennel Cough): Kennel cough mutates at a rate to do the human flu proud, therefore you can vaccinate for it every year on schedule and your dog can still get it with no warning. Unless your dog has lung problems that would make them prone to pnumonia if they got it then I don't personally see the point. HOWEVER: there are a large number of places that require it. If you plan to ever board the dog, take him to doggy day care, fly with certain airlines, or even have planned hospitalizations (neutering, Pennhip, etc) at your vets, then you may be required to have it done anyway. They're covering their butts.

Canine Flu: see the above comments for kennel cough

Lyme: check the stats for your area, but personally, even though I live in a high risk lyme area neither of my dogs are vaccinated for it. The reason: the vaccine doesn't protect against even half of the diseases and parasites that ticks carry. You STILL need to keep an eye on your dog, use tick preventitive and check the dog for ticks after being outside. Besides the symptoms of lyme are generally pretty obvious if you're paying attention to your animal, and its generally treatable with little problems if caught early.

Leptopirosis (aka: lepto): This one is also nasty. Again check your area's stats. Again treatable if caught early, and the signs are pretty obvious. The vaccine's controversial, older versions caused alot of bad reactions, plus there are multiple types of the disease and not all vaccines work for all types. There are also indications that the vaccines may not last the full year that they're supposed to. Some reports state that the older the dog the better they tolerate it. After going back and forth about it I decided that both dogs would be vaccinated for it, BUT only after they were a year old AND at least 4 weeks apart from any other shot or illness.

If you decide not to vaccinate for everything make a point of learning the symptoms by heart so that if your dog ever does fall ill you know what to look for, also be prepared to remind your vet that the dog hasn't been vaccinated for X when you take them in showing those symptoms. For the vaccines that have titers seriously consider doing a titer in place of the booster.

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Definetly sound out your vet about titering in place of automatic boosters. Might be a bit more costly, but I personally think its worth it. If your vet goes through the roof at the idea find a new vet no matter how much you like him or her. If they argue with you a bit, but agree, and don't give you hassle every year then keep it up, maybe your experience will change their minds.
 

ruthcatrin

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Definetly sound out your vet about titering in place of automatic boosters. Might be a bit more costly, but I personally think its worth it. If your vet goes through the roof at the idea find a new vet no matter how much you like him or her. If they argue with you a bit, but agree, and don't give you hassle every year then keep it up, maybe your experience will change their minds.
 

futureowner

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Definetly sound out your vet about titering in place of automatic boosters. Might be a bit more costly, but I personally think its worth it. If your vet goes through the roof at the idea find a new vet no matter how much you like him or her. If they argue with you a bit, but agree, and don't give you hassle every year then keep it up, maybe your experience will change their minds.

We will definitely be doing the first 3 sets of puppy shots but I agree with you on the titering, our breeder is a vet tech and that is what she does also. I know the vet she had went to said they do the shots every year and she doesn't agree with it but can't you just say no to the vet??
 

ruthcatrin

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About pretty much everything except rabies as required by law yes. Sometimes its not worth it though, and just as you have the right to choose not to vaccinte the vet has the right to refuse to treat an unvaccinated dog, just FYI.
 

bonesnsasha

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Our vet only does the distemper/parvo and rabies (unless we ask from others). As well as worming which is just kind of thrown in. Then again I didn't know there was a big deal about vaccinating? I miss a lot sometimes!
 

futureowner

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About pretty much everything except rabies as required by law yes. Sometimes its not worth it though, and just as you have the right to choose not to vaccinte the vet has the right to refuse to treat an unvaccinated dog, just FYI.

So if we do the titer then they don't have to treat him because he isn't getting shots every year? I think I'm confused :confused:
 

ruthcatrin

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A vet can refuse treatment to any animal they feel like. If they don't want to treat an animal that hasn't been vaccinated to their standards they don't have to. You can refuse to vaccinate and insist on titering. Your vet is not obligated by anything to agree to preform the blood draw and send it out for testing/titering, and your vet is not obligated to continue to see your animal if you refuse to vaccinate to their standards. So yes, you can argue with the vet, and refuse to allow the dog to receive the shots, and insist on titering. At which point some vets will tell you thats nice find a new vet. And others may not out right say that but they will make your life miserable for making those choices. Don't bother with those types. Its not worth it. Find a new vet.

If on the other hand your vet is less than thrilled by your preferences but after some discussion agrees to abide by them, and does not give you routine hassle about it then stick with them. And if you end up with one of the small (but growing) population of vets who thinks titers are a good idea then hold on for dear life!

For example: my former vet was someone I'd been seeing for my cats for years, and had had no problem with the fact that my cats never received any shot but rabies. But when we brought in our first puppy, and insisted on our preferred vaccine/titer schedule she went through the roof, gave us a big lecture that basically boiled down to "I'm the vet, I went to vet school, I know better!!!!" and then tried to charge us 5 times the average local rate to have the titer done. I changed vets. My current vets office has no problem with my preferred vaccine/titer schedule. The only hiccup is that for planned hospitalizations they require the kennel cough vaccine. Since they DO know my preferences I was advised of that requirement as soon as neutering my little guy came up in conversation. That gave me more than enough time to schedule it so that it didn't overlap with anything else and could be done as I preferred. I can live with that.
 
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futureowner

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Thank you Ruthcatrin, I greatly appreciate it and your right, I won't give them the time of day, now the question is what will they say, hmmm, guess I have some calling to do tomorrow :)
 

angelbears

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You have to do what you are most comfortable with. What kind of exposure will your pup have? Mine very rarely leave their own yard, back yard is fenced. They are always supervised and 90% of the time they are on a leash. For my dogs, IMO, the vax is more dangerous then the risk of exposure. If your dog is going to be out and about then you should at least titter.

When I had no money and my dogs didn't get shots regularly or run to the vet every time they farted those dogs lived a longer, healthier life.
 

bullyBug

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It's a fact that vaccines against viral diseases can last for years. Even AAHA has revised it's protocols. My previous dog was 2 years old when I started really researching nutrition and health. He received his last distemper/parvo vaccine at 3 years old and I titered yearly thereafter. His last titers, at age 11, were still high. I stopped titering after that because I wasn't going to vaccinate a geriatric dog, but I'm confident that they were high until his death. I still gave rabies every 3 years as required by law.

Vaccines against bacterial diseases like Lyme, Leptospirosis, and Bordetella don't last nearly as long and need to be done at least once a year. My current pup is around strange dogs on a daily basis, so I'll be doing the Bordetella vaccine 1-2x a year. I'm still undecided about the Lepto and will probably not be doing the Lyme.
 

futureowner

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You have to do what you are most comfortable with. What kind of exposure will your pup have? Mine very rarely leave their own yard, back yard is fenced. They are always supervised and 90% of the time they are on a leash. For my dogs, IMO, the vax is more dangerous then the risk of exposure. If your dog is going to be out and about then you should at least titter.

When I had no money and my dogs didn't get shots regularly or run to the vet every time they farted those dogs lived a longer, healthier life.

Angelbears, he will after his first 3 sets of boosters be doing all the conformation, obediance classes, etc. so he can be a show dog. I will do all the shots necessary for that because I do not want him to get sick at all!! But my parents had a purebred German Shephard and he only had the basic shots and lived to be 14yrs old, mostly because he was always home but even taking him out on walks and to the park etc. he never got sick until he ate a box of chocolates at christmas time and his face swelled up :)
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I only did rabies for Thor when I got him and continue to do so. Like AngelBears mentioned Thor is at home with me 100% and we rarely go out.
 

Oak Hill Farm

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I do puppy series and I vaccinate against rabies and distemper. I do puppies, as (in our area anyway) parvo is making a comeback, and I would rather be protected. Also we vaccinate against rabies with our dogs yearly. It is required by law. I think it is WAY too often, but if your dog gets in any trouble and is not vaccinated, it is pretty much a death sentence for the dog around here. We titre and vax accordingly on distemper.

My dogs also kill lots of wild things like raccoon, possum, birds, coys etc, and we do have rabies and distemper in our area.
 

futureowner

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Thank you all, we will definitely be doing the 2nd and 3rd sets for his puppy vaccines and anything else that is needed for show purposes, I just didn't think it was necessary to vaccine for the distemper/parvo, etc. when tittering should be sufficient but I will be talking to my vet! Afterall, we humans don't get shots every year (Thank God) cuz I might not be vaccinated myself, hahaha, just kidding :)
 

ruthcatrin

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I've never gotten the flu shot, and technically I'm a high risk individual. And although I HAVE had the flu (exactly twice in my entire life), both times I was massively OVER exposed AND people who were exposed at teh same time as me, who HAD gotten the shot, got sick too. So yah, I follow the same principle for myself as I do my dogs.