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Would I be better off with a GSD or Cane Corso?

joshuagough

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I would agree with your choice on the breed and the correction bit. However not everyone will side with us.

Many of the questions are unanswerable, you can't generalize breeds in the fashion the questions are asked. There's a lot more to it than meets the eye. You can say they have common traits and lines have common temperaments.

What you're purchasing in a pup or young dog is nothing more than potential based on gene's. What the sir & dame have been able to accomplish. Not discrediting them, nor their work but that doesn't always equate to a top notch pup. You need a very knowledgeable breeder to build drives in the pup from a young age & someone who's been in the protection game a while to help you temp test the pups. This is regardless of the breed. It's not a breed thing, it's a dog by dog thing.

A herding dog (GSD) vs a working class (CC) have many differences. That said I've seen top notch IPO/Schutzhund dogs from both breeds.

If you ask a Schutzhund club, typically comprised of 98% or better GSD's you're going to end up with a lopsided answer, right, wrong or indifferent.. it's comparing 10's of thousands of GSD's to the few CC's out there in the sport.

Can the CC hold it's on? You bet you butt, however just like the GSD.. you've got to have the right dog, temp & drive wise. I think the CC just looks better doing it.. but I'm way basis when any Mastiff is in the mix, its a heart thing. That's what will drive you in your training, thus my question of.. which breed do you like better.

You're likely looking at 1,000+ training hours for Sch1.. easy.

Once you answer that you move on to finding a breeder..




LOL!... want my opinion on that ;) I think all dogs need to be trained using positive methods. I do not believe it is ever fair to correct a dog for doing something that we are not sure they know how to do, so all our puppies are trained with praise and treats until I am certain that they understand what I am asking. Once I am sure, there is a correction for not doing as asked. The correct is based solely on the dog as each have different personalities that there is not a cookie cutter way to deal with each, IMHO.
 
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Usually I think Corsi look better than GSDs, but a well trained dog of either breed looks significantly more impressive than one which is not. Curiously, in several of the videos I have watched on youtube of Corsi doing Sch obedience, the dogs seemed to perform poorly on the send away i.e. would trot around for a while after the platz command was given. I know it was only from a very small sample size, but I was wondering if it actually is easier to train GSD for these sort of difficult obedience exercises.
 

AussieGirl

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Okay. I would first like to say I have never owned a CC. And My mum used to own a german Shepard but I never had much to do with him. So I'm coming from a pressure un bias place (also un knowledgable)

Baring in mind that I haven't ready any of the comments yet, I think you should do with the GSD. Not because of temperaments of either dog, it really has nothing to do with the differences in the dogs. Just in the way your writing came across, you had lots of wonderful things to say about the GSD but all of your comments about the CC were negative or at the least seemed to be coming from someone nervous of the breed.

As I said though all I read was your opening question. I haven't had time to read any of the comments but I will do that this evening when I get home from puppy preschool :)
 

joshuagough

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Don't compare the trained dog verse a dog that's not, that's unfair.. regardless of the breed. It's apples and oranges.

You can take a well bred CC and do just as well as any GSD out there. Their are a lot more folks that have worked a GSD in Sch. than there are CC's.

That doesn't equate to the breed being easier to train, the numbers are just heavily in the favor of the GSD due to the sport being formed by that breed. That was my point in saying go with the breed you like the most, then look for the correct temp & drives in the breeders.









Usually I think Corsi look better than GSDs, but a well trained dog of either breed looks significantly more impressive than one which is not. Curiously, in several of the videos I have watched on youtube of Corsi doing Sch obedience, the dogs seemed to perform poorly on the send away i.e. would trot around for a while after the platz command was given. I know it was only from a very small sample size, but I was wondering if it actually is easier to train GSD for these sort of difficult obedience exercises.
 

fixitlouie

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Gsd. I grew up with gsd and have owned two cc. The dogs are world apart in terms of functionality. Its a matter of personal preference.

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joshuagough

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When you say they are worlds apart in terms of functionality.. can you explain what you mean by this, specifically in the breeds or your dogs?

Gsd. I grew up with gsd and have owned two cc. The dogs are world apart in terms of functionality. Its a matter of personal preference.

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terzo corso

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the numbers are just heavily in the favor of the GSD due to the sport being formed by that breed.



Just would like to add here,that Schutzhund was designed to be a Breed Survey for German Shepherd Dogs...not a "sport"

sur·vey
verb
\sər-ˈvāˌ\ : to look at and examine all parts of (something)



So the member quoted here is absolutely right in trying to explain to any person reading/posting in this thread.....that by basing any judgment of what dog traits makes up a Cane Corso-to how well they do in a GSD breed trial...would be akin to judging a land mammal based on how well they do when they are pushed off of a dock into a lake. Yes,a lot of them will definitely swim,some may even swim fantastically,some may even be able to grab a slow moving fish for food......but that is not where they live and function. If forced to do this everyday to live,the land based mammal would have to adapt/evolve to being a fish......or die.

Get the connection? Breed-Function-Life
 

fixitlouie

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When you say they are worlds apart in terms of functionality.. can you explain what you mean by this, specifically in the breeds or your dogs?

Well one out weights the other quite a bit. One has a better nose. One is known for pain tolerant. One is quite a bit smarter....now all of that said a good cc can stomp the hell out of a gsd. There are too many variables to be specific. But this is a overall perspective

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babyjoemurphy

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I have to agree with Aussiegirl. Everything seems to be postive GSD and uncertian CC. I grew up with a GSD. She lived till 15 and there wasn't a thing she couldn't learn. Heck if we as kids were not home our friends would call on her and take her out. She NEVER had a leash on. Very trusting and VERY protective. Amazing girl
I happen to know 2 sheppards that do nothing, no training, no obiedience, no socializing. I wouldn't trust them beyond the fence. Two different scenerio for the same breed
As for CC. I wouldnt hesitate to have one. I am an EM owner but have meet quite a few CC and they are truly magnificent. Well behaved and just impressive.
And here we are at the training. You get what you put in to your dog no matter what the breed.
I have heard alot about positive methods with CC as it is with ALL mastiffs. They are tender, loving, loyal and stubborn. Why take a chance to ruin that


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joshuagough

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*Well one out weights the other quite a bit. One has a better nose. One is known for pain tolerant. One is quite a bit smarter....now all of that said a good cc can stomp the hell out of a gsd. There are too many variables to be specific. But this is a overall perspective* fixitlouie via tapatalk via droid



Have you been studying something that show's the comparison of the two breeds, to form a foundation of these?
 
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DalCielo CC

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To the OP, I think you'll find both breeds pretty much comparable in most aspects other than sport. The Corso has less muzzle and is much larger compared to the GSD. So obviously they will not handle heat as well, will tire quicker and will not track quite as well. If sport is your priority, you would be probably better off with a Mal, Dutch shepherd or GSD. There isn't any real working line of CC in the US. If your still interested in a sport Corso, find something from the Rivale Cane Corso line or contact Roy Rojas @ El Mesquital Cane Corso. Whatever the breed you chose, finding the right individual dog is the hardest part. If you decide that sport isn't a big priority then the choice is simple.
 

joshuagough

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All real working line CC's here in the US, you would be suit well with many of these.

LaOnda Cane Corso,Ohio *big fan here*
Bodyguard Cane Corso
PA Liberty Cane Corso
NY Firehorse Cane Corso, PA & I would second Rivale Cane Corso.
 
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fixitlouie

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All real working line CC's here in the US, you would be suit well with many of these.

LaOnda Cane Corso,Ohio *big fan here*
Bodyguard Cane Corso
PA Liberty Cane Corso
NY Firehorse Cane Corso, PA & I would second Rivale Cane Corso.

Thoes are all breeders....not professional trainers.

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fixitlouie

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I should point out I'm talking about reall deal stuff. Not bite work or weight pull. But police and catch dogs type of stuff.
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joshuagough

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Tai & Copa , another personal fav.

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DalCielo CC

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These are not working kennels. A working kennel can consistently produce dogs with the right drives, temperament and physical and mental attributes to succeed in the ring. Ron has Franklin out of Rivali's Mojo, but he'd be the first to say he's not a working kennel. Same with Joe @ Liberty. Having a promising prospect pop up every now and then doesn't make it a proven working line. There are several people working in that direction, but they have a long way to go. Keep in mind the Corsi will take on a different appearance that will reflect a smaller quicker more agile dog that is less prone to injury.