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Would I be better off with a GSD or Cane Corso?

Hello mastiff owners! :)

I posted a thread on this topic in the German Shepherd forum, and thus far have not received a lot of positive feedback regarding the Cane Corso.

Link:
http://www.germanshepherds.com/forum/general-behavior/425506-would-i-better-off-gsd-cane-corso.htm

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on both the questions in the original post, as well as what the other posters have written in response.

Before reading their advice, I was leaning towards the CC.

Thanks very much, Jeremy.
 

garlicJr

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Takes me to the website, might have to be a member to read what you wrote

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That's annoying. I'll copy and paste my original post, and then some the answers received.

Hi everybody
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I was hoping to hear some viewpoints from people who have experience with both these breeds. But some background info first...

I have a three year old male lab, and I want to get a female dog soon. I have decided that I would like to get either a Cane Corso or a GSD. I am in Australia, so if anyone would like to share their experiences with Cane Corso breeders down here, that would be appreciated. I would most likely adopt a young adult GSD, since they are so readily available on dogzonline.com.au.

With my new dog, I plan on competing in obedience as well as Schutzhund. I am well aware of the differences between Schutzhund 'protection' and actual personal protection. I think it would be a fun sport and a good bonding opportunity for dog and handler. I do not need her to be a PPD.

Do you think that the average GSD or Cane Corso would have the temperament for Schutzhund? I have not been involved in this training before, but I am of the opinion that for SchI, most of the work can be done in prey drive, without really stressing the dog. It just plays tug with the bite sleeve.

Now for the important questions...

1. Dog aggression. Some people on internet forums are of the opinion that Corsos are quite likely to exhibit dog aggression. Is this just a socialization issue, or are they commonly genetically predisposed to this behaviour? Are they more likely to be dog aggressive compared to GSD, ceteris paribus? Dog aggression is not really acceptable to me, as it would be highly inconvenient for a dog which is first and foremost a family pet.

2. Health. In your opinion, when dogs are bred responsibly with appropriate health checks of parents, which breed tends to have more health issues? Perhaps it depends mainly on the individual line...

3. Accepting strangers/guests. In my experience, most GSD do not have a problem with this. What about Cane Corsos? My dog does not have to love everyone she meets, but at least tolerate a pat on the side etc. when I have visitors. The inconsistency in the Cane Corso breed is often mentioned.

4. Trainability. I have read from multiple sources that the Cane Corso is a very intelligent and highly trainable breed, with a high willingness to please. But I know for a fact that GSDs are extremely intelligent dogs. Are Cane Corsos even in the same ball park as GSDs, specifically regarding trainability for the three Schutzhund phases? (In general, of course).

Ok, I think that covers all of what I wanted to ask. I can deal with the shedding or slobbering of these dogs, so that isn't much of a factor. And I don't really appreciate how some CC have a very Boxer-like head. I don't think it looks good at all.

Anyway, your input/advice on any or all of these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Jeremy.
 

Jadotha

Well-Known Member
Hi Jeremy, I have an EM, so I will leave the information and advice giving to our many CC owners! I would note that you asked your qestion on a GSD forum, hence the responses are hardly surprising. :)
 
These are some responses:

"I do not think a Cane Corso is suitable for most people who are looking for social dogs with even temperaments or anyone looking to do sport. The Corsos that I have dealt with are are very large, very powerful dogs, with aggression issues, meaning they don't have the prey drive to carry them through the sport. They were bred to be property guardians/watch dogs and large game hunters, and the multiple that I know are not very social or accepting of strangers at all. I don't think that a Corso is even close to the same ballpark in any of the aspects you listed above."

"They are much different to train than a GSD, so your local club might not have experience with working these types of dogs.

I see no reason to look at the CC breed considering what you want to do with the dog. Get a good GSD and you will have much more fun training, especially since you are new to the sport. Training "off breeds" can be fun, but typically takes a long time and a lot of experience to get things where you want them.

I got my CC from a shelter. I was evaluating him for aggression rehab and found that he was a perfect fit for my home. I would not recommend a CC for a first time sport / working dog owner at all. They can be a serious handful, which is why he ended up at the shelter in the first place. They are extremely powerful dogs, and require very consistent leadership and boundaries. If you give Lucian an inch, he will take a mile every time."

"I have seen several CCs at training clubs. I would not ever consider owning one. They are a liability IMO."

"The corso I work regularly has little prey, and has to be worked in defense. Their size and structure makes the OB look flat no matter what you do for a sport meant for GSDs and Malis and Dutchies."


Italics were used so it is easier to tell the separate posts apart.
 
Hi Jeremy, I have an EM, so I will leave the information and advice giving to our many CC owners! I would note that you asked your qestion on a GSD forum, hence the responses are hardly surprising. :)

Lol yes, that's why I thought I should hear from the dark side as well :)
 

cmj2830

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IMO, yes there are bloodlines out there that may not have te best temperaments but that is true for every breed. I think finding the right breeder and bloodline is very key, do your research. I am new to the breed my self but very involved in agility, conformation, and etc. I have seen the CC excel in all, because of owners hard work and dedication and appreciation for the breed. No sport or activity is a one type or breed only thats being extremely closed minded. I know a chinese crested that weight pulls and people say thats a big dog only sport lol. Do all of your research, I have a friend that breeds GSD, and they are great dogs too, but as I mentioned I have seen some bloodlines of all types of breeds have aggressive problems
 

cmj2830

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Also I have my first CC, he is the sweetest pup ever. He kisses adores my 4 month old son and listens very well. I raised siberian huskies my entire life and my CC so far has been a breeze.
 

KristieD

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I grew up with german shepherds all my childhood and most of my shorter adult life. Before we had gotten our CC we were torn between getting another GSD or a CC after doing some research on the breed so I feel your pain! It is a tough decision. We went with the corso in the end. Odin is only a little over 3 months but I can already see many many differences between him and my past shepherd pups in how we have to train. I unfortunately have very little knowledge on CCs as adults since he is our first, but I can tell you the differences I do see now as puppies and others can tell you more about CCs as they progress.

GSDs that I have had in the past were always very people pleasing. Quick, easy to train. Their training would usually be pretty reliable. They had strong prey drive of course, and they really do excel in sports. I am sure you heard a lot about GSDs from the forum you were on.

Our experience with our CC is similar thus far except more effort is required. Not because he is not intelligent, it seems to be the opposite. He gets bored easily when repeating the same task over and over, he needs more mental stimulation than our GSDs did during training. If you train him in a way to keep him from being bored he will learn, quickly! Odin will stop play to follow a command already, like when playing chase with his min pin sister he will sit on a dime. But it's all about keeping him entertained throughout our exercises. I mix things up, he does a little basic obedience, then a little nose work for treats hidden around, then a short play session, back to obedience, etc. He was in basic puppy classes but his trainer wants us to just go straight to the more advanced classes after only one class because he is too smart and was bored. The other dogs don't move through quick enough and it's just too much repetition when doing the same thing over and over for an hour. He started getting bored and wouldn't complete his tasks towards the end out of frustration. They believe he will be able to excel and move on to more advanced obedience if we move quicker with him, I agree. I think he would do fantastic in obedience trials later on when he is a less rambunctious puppy - he is after all only 13 weeks old!

Overall for us a CC was a good choice. The GSD would have been a bit easier but we didn't just want easy. We wanted a smart companion with his own mind. Depending on the effort/time/method you want to put in you may do better with a GSD because they are a lot less stubborn and easier to handle for a first time intensive training project from what we have experienced with our CC vs GSDs. We wanted a smart companion that would some day make us proud and be worth the extra effort, that is exactly what we feel we have with Odin in our short time with him. His personality is unlike any of our other dogs.

People who only deal with CCs through a rescue type scenario, their opinions I would take with a grain of salt. MANY dogs in rescue come with behavioral issues not only the CC. There are always going to be bad examples of every type depending on their upbringing and breeding. I can tell you of many GSDs I knew with aggression issues, I can even tell you about poodles with severe aggression. These problems were the faults of their owners or bad breeding and is something that can be avoided by just finding a GOOD breeder and training them well. They are great dogs, they just require great people around them who want to see them succeed to be able to shine.

Please keep in mind I am just a beginner with CCs, my experiences may not be typical and Odin very well could change entirely as he grows older. Hopefully some others will speak up about their experiences! :) Hope this helped a little though, best luck whatever breed you chose in the end!
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
I found the thread at the GSD forum by typing "Cane Corso" (with quotes) in the search box... it was the second thread that came up.

Love KristieD's post - lots of good info, in that!

Personally, I think I'd opt for CC drool over GSD hair. I think there are similar issues with finding a good breeder, too. GSD's did have a heyday with over-breeding for quite a while. There's a rescue near us that deals with megaesophagus GSD's all the time. :(
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Staff member
answers inside your post to make life easier...

That's annoying. I'll copy and paste my original post, and then some the answers received.

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I was hoping to hear some viewpoints from people who have experience with both these breeds. But some background info first...

I have a three year old male lab, and I want to get a female dog soon. I have decided that I would like to get either a Cane Corso or a GSD. I am in Australia, so if anyone would like to share their experiences with Cane Corso breeders down here, that would be appreciated. I would most likely adopt a young adult GSD, since they are so readily available on dogzonline.com.au.

With my new dog, I plan on competing in obedience as well as Schutzhund. I am well aware of the differences between Schutzhund 'protection' and actual personal protection. I think it would be a fun sport and a good bonding opportunity for dog and handler. I do not need her to be a PPD.

Do you think that the average GSD or Cane Corso would have the temperament for Schutzhund? I have not been involved in this training before, but I am of the opinion that for SchI, most of the work can be done in prey drive, without really stressing the dog. It just plays tug with the bite sleeve.

As a rule no I do not think most Cane Corsos have the temperament for schutzhund, but then again I don't think a lot of GSD, Rotties, etc do either anymore. There are far too many with temperament issues and not enough that are working to have a true working line. There are kennels that have several working dogs but will take generations before anything is deemed as a true working kennel.

Now for the important questions...

1. Dog aggression. Some people on internet forums are of the opinion that Corsos are quite likely to exhibit dog aggression. Is this just a socialization issue, or are they commonly genetically predisposed to this behaviour? Are they more likely to be dog aggressive compared to GSD, ceteris paribus? Dog aggression is not really acceptable to me, as it would be highly inconvenient for a dog which is first and foremost a family pet.

Some do and some don't exhibit dog aggression, depends on the individual dog. I have 7 in my house that with the exception of two females deal just fine with each other. Outside of the house they are not aggressive with dogs unless given a reason but they also have no real interest in playing or socializing with them either. Temperament is something that is a HUGE issue in our breed and is being passed off as correct when it should not be.

2. Health. In your opinion, when dogs are bred responsibly with appropriate health checks of parents, which breed tends to have more health issues? Perhaps it depends mainly on the individual line...

Have no experience with GSD but health is the corso is a work in progress. It is a newly recovered breed (30-40 years) so while people are now check health more and more we are not at the same stage as those that have hundreds of years of genetic info to back them.

3. Accepting strangers/guests. In my experience, most GSD do not have a problem with this. What about Cane Corsos? My dog does not have to love everyone she meets, but at least tolerate a pat on the side etc. when I have visitors. The inconsistency in the Cane Corso breed is often mentioned.

My dogs are fine with people I let in, my house... my rules. If I am uneasy the dogs do not go far and will not settle easily. If I am fine they tend to stay just out of the way, sometimes closest to the kids if they are there but overall just sitting back watching what is going on. But you are right, it is a huge inconsistency in the breed for what is considered the norm... some are like mine, others have to be put up when people come and other yet run and hide when strangers are there :(

4. Trainability. I have read from multiple sources that the Cane Corso is a very intelligent and highly trainable breed, with a high willingness to please. But I know for a fact that GSDs are extremely intelligent dogs. Are Cane Corsos even in the same ball park as GSDs, specifically regarding trainability for the three Schutzhund phases? (In general, of course).

Hmmm, well my corsos have had me doing what they have wanted for ages :) all joking aside you get what you put into them. They have an overall willingness to please and are a versatile dog that wants to do as you ask so the only limits for a good corso are the ones you set. There are a few schutzhund ones out there that have made it to level III and Alla Zilberg is on the board (you might want to PM her) her male is pronounced II so she might be able to give you better insight.

Ok, I think that covers all of what I wanted to ask. I can deal with the shedding or slobbering of these dogs, so that isn't much of a factor. And I don't really appreciate how some CC have a very Boxer-like head. I don't think it looks good at all.

Find a breeder that has what you are looking for in appearance and temperament and be ready to wait if it is a high quality one. Next issue you will have is CC are crazy expensive in AU and I don't think there are a lot of breeders, importing is hard because of quarantine rules that you have in place. I have a friend that lives there now, she used to have corsos when she lived in the US but moved with her hubby to AU and have settled on a Ridgeback as their breed of choice.

Anyway, your input/advice on any or all of these questions would be greatly appreciated.

Jeremy.
 

LLJohnson10

Well-Known Member
I have a GSD and and Bullmastiff puppy. The GSD is a great dog, very loyal, extremely easy to train, and easily adjusts to about any lifestyle. Though I love my GSD dearly, i'd never get another one. I was not prepared for the volume of shedding from the GSD. They are literally, the king of all shedders, I often hear them referred to as the "German Shedder." If you don't mind sweeping your wood/laminate/tile floors several times a day, or vacuuming at least once daily, then they are the perfect dog. I am by no means a neat freak, but if you sweep, then allow your GSD back in that area. It will be covered with fur within 5 mins.

If I wasn't so embarrassed, i'd show you a picture of what my wood floors look like when I go a week without the swiffer. You might actually mistake the flooring for carpet if I go that long.

There are a lot of GSD people who will downplay the amount of shedding, but I won't. It is a lot to deal with, (high quality food, special grooming tools, special shampoos) aren't nearly as helpful as some would lead you to believe.

As a point of reference as my experience with shedders, i've also owned a Chow Chow, and a Lab, neither were anywhere near the shedder that the GSD is.
 

kguitarchic18

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This is our first cane corso as well. I don't have much to compare on, but I can tell you about my experience. We actually hired a really good trainer, and he did mention this breed can sometimes be stubborn, but they are very smart. We lucked out and at 5 months Zola had learned all her commands within the 3 week train/boarding. With the trainer she is amazing, with us, it just takes consistenty on the commands, etc with her. But she is always trying to very hard, he did say that we got a smart one. She is a sweet loving girl, and and 8.5 months now is still a joy. She is very well behaved, we still work on her commands and training everyday. She is leary of new people, but once she sees we are comfortable with them, she is happy to go up to them butt shaking and all to say hello. She is protective, and will bark at people who pass by the house (i assume the protective need is kicking in). We are going to hopefully start the protection training with her, but its more for playing tug, with a bite suit, and more to bond with her, not for the agressive part.

But i agree with the others, it really depends on the bloodline, look at the parents and see how their tempermant is. Zola does shed, its spring so I am hoping its just the winter coat coming off. It wasnt too bad over the winter.
 

cblond1121

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In regards to the Schutzhund training, I think it depends on the pup. My trainer had experience with CC (his former business partner bred them) and he said mine would be a good candidate.
 

marti1357

Well-Known Member
Jeremy, what the GS forum folks said is a crock of...
They say so because that's what they used to, know and love. GS can be the best dog, but also a terrible dog, depending on training and bloodlines. GS can be extremely dog and people aggressive. Same with Cane Corso. I just met a CC at the dog park, he came to me and just wanted to be hugged. He was quiet, calm and the sweetest dog present (the worse were some little terriers and mutts, who would not stand still for a sec).
My suggestion: look for a great breeder that you feel comfortable with. Visit the kennel and see the dogs in person. Why not consider other breeds as well? This mastiff forum deals with a variety of large breeds and you can learn a lot. Anyway, every such breed needs dedication, time, energy and love. Tehy are all people dogs (as are the GS).
 

Maxi

New Member
I have had both breeds and trained and trialed both of them. I have trained with many GSDs but have only true experience of two Corsi but I have met more. The GSDs I've known have all been working lines so those are the ones I will try to describe.

1. Dog aggression: I would say that maybe 1/4 - 1/3 of all GSDs possess some kind of dog aggression. As with CC I don't know. My male was the least dog aggressive dog you could ever find, he LOVED other dogs, no matter age, breed, sex or size. Even when he was attacked he didn't care. He never answered a challenge but he wasn't submissive either, he just ignored the other dog or walked away. His brother was exactly the same, another brother was a "typical male", so was his dad. My friends female would occasionally try to fight another dog but as soon as she got to know a dog she was very tolerant. I would guess they are on the same level as the German shepherd.

2. Health: About 30 % of all GSDs suffer from HD, the last statistic I read for CC said 70 %. However that was many years ago and today I believe that number has decreased a lot. Except that I believe that GSDs have more back and immunological problems and allergies. Corsi have heart problems, but you don't notice it until the dog is dead.

3. Accepting of strangers: Here I must say that the German Shepherd is much better. Be aware of that a dog that is hostile against a neutral or friendly stranger is not tough, it is insecure. A good guard dog should be aloof with strangers, just like most GSDs are.

4. Trainability: It depends on what you mean with trainability. The GSD is a much harder dog that will be able to handle very strong and even unfair corrections. The Corso on the other hand is a soft dog that will go out of its way to please you, no need for strong corrections. If you as a trainer plan on using a lot of puishment, pich and e-collar than I would suggest on getting a GSD, or no dog at all. By correcting a Corso to hard you may destroy the bond between you and he will instead learn to fear you. If you plan on using mostly positive methods than I believe that the Corso is slightly easier to train since it has a high level of "will to please" and a lower lever of stress which makes learning harder. However, I have heard that there are a lot of Corsi that are very slow and unmotivated, just like there are GSDs that are slow and unmotivated, but I've never met one. For the protection I would go with the shepherd since they are bred for it and also keep in mind that Corsi with their mouth will have difficulties in gripping the sleeve, many times they will slide off the sleeve. Especially the ones with a shorter muzzle.
 

TWW

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Maxi you may wish to stay on the GSD forums, where It seems like myth, and BS rule the day.
GSD have a 4.0 percent that test with excellent hips vs CC testing with 6.9 percent with excellent hips between 1974-2013.
38.1% of CC's tested being and 17.8% GSD test being dysplastic.
Good grief your on the internet, try using google.
 
Thanks for your comments, Maxi. It is interesting that you say that Corsi may be easier to train if positive methods are being used. I would be interested to hear if other people agree with this assessment. I certainly plan to use marker training for teaching behaviours wherever possible, and would only use an e-collar in certain situations, e.g. proofing the recall.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Which breed do you think looks better?

LOL!... want my opinion on that ;) I think all dogs need to be trained using positive methods. I do not believe it is ever fair to correct a dog for doing something that we are not sure they know how to do, so all our puppies are trained with praise and treats until I am certain that they understand what I am asking. Once I am sure, there is a correction for not doing as asked. The correct is based solely on the dog as each have different personalities that there is not a cookie cutter way to deal with each, IMHO.