Will The Real Cane Corso Please Stand Up? There are fakes among us....

[love4mastiffs]

Hello, I'm new to the forums and new to dogs. Heck, I've never owned one! One thing I'm good at is being observant and what I've been noticing (very apparent to me) is that there seems to be different "Cane Corso" dogs. I'm no expert but what I do know is that the Cane Corso originates in Italy and can be categorized as a Molosser. It is a type of Mastiff. What I've been noticing is a big decrepancy in the looks of different "Cane Corsos". It would make sense if the dogs originating from Italy have the typical jowels seen in many Mastiff breeds but what I'm noticing is that there seems to be many "Cane Corso" with much less jowels than others. Is this some sort of American Cane Corso?

This is what I mean, these dogs look different but they are in the "Cane Corso" picture section of this website:

That dog looks like a cross between a lab and a Cane Corso (look at the head shape and ears)

And there's this picture:
That HAS to be a mix between an American Staffordshire Terrier and a Cane Corso (just look at the head shape).

But both users are saying they have a "Cane Corso" and aren't specifying that it is a mix. I'm noticing "Cane Corsos" with jowels (I can only imagine the one that originates from Italy having jowels) while I've seen many with suppressed jowels. That can't be the same standard of dog?

I actually like the look of the ones with less Jowles, I know this can't be the standard Cane Corso but it must drool less? Right?

Someone who knows about the breed tell me I'm not going crazy! I've been researching this breed but I keep on seeing so many different variations of this breed. It is hard to tell what some of these "Cane Corsos" actually are (have they mixed the gene pool here in America?)

 

[LittleJake]

I felt the same way you do when I first began to research this breed. What I did was start with the AKC standard and went from there. I spent months looking through kennel after kennel and have found that there is a huge difference between the kennels who breed for confirmation and continued improvement with each new generation and the ones that don't.
The only real PHYSICAL difference I've seen in the top breeding programs for the Corso's is some have more loose skin and slightly more hangover in the jowels. Look at an AKC Gr Ch Corso like Leonitus Big Show and then track his lineage and offspring and you will see what I did. This is only my opinion and we all know what those are like right!? LoL... Find a dog that fits what you picture as a Cane Corso and once you have that you are going to find that the physical traits (although important) are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what makes these guys so amazing when bred correctly.


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[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

You will be hard pressed to find a lot of consistency in this breed as of yet outside a kennel (and even then it depends on how long/hard they have been working at it to produce consistency) as the breed is still in its infancy and working towards consistency. There are lots of dogs being bred that don't meet standard as well as lots of dogs bred that meet what people interpret as the standard. More or less jowls doesn't mean one is more Italian and one is less Italian as there are lots of tighter dogs in both areas and jowly does in both areas as well. At this point find kennels that have the dogs that to your mind agree with what the standard says in temperament, appearance and health and work with those breeders. Consistency is not an overnight thing when dealing with genetics, it is a slow process that will take more years than most of us will ever have with this breed before people will be able to look at any dog produced no matter the kennel and say it is a Cane Corso. There are some lines you can look at now and recognize some of the type in them but we still have a long road ahead of us for this breed.

This is of course if we get the chance to do this with the temperament issues that seem to be plaguing our breed and the mass producation that seems to be going on with them and with the PR people trying to get rid of breeders in general.

 

[terzo corso]

the top breeding programs for the Corso's

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"top" is highly relative to one's ideal.....for example,none of the hunting corso breeders asked about by another member here will be mentioned in the same solar system as these breeders represented in this show



Also,tracking a dog's lineage is a good way to research what you will get,great idea.

 

[LittleJake]

Oh man don't I know it! LoL... At one point I had a flow chart going to keep it in some semblance of order. You are right though about the lines more geared towards hunting. Once I had the idea of what I was looking for, that's when I started to see how big the rest of the iceberg was underneath. I'm still just putting my toe in the water, but I'm hoping to one day have the knowledge and skill to better this amazing breed.


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[snappr]

Just as a reference and an excuse to post a picture, here is my half am bulldog / half corso. He is around 16 months here.

I'm not a pro in identifying the breed standards, so you could lie and tell me he is 100% corso. Mostly because I see so many variances as well when I Google for pics.

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[Bean]

Very astute post! I often wondered this myself. In Canada you see many "cane corsos" from inexperienced breeders or byb. These result is either "lab" type ccs or "pit" type ccs. Not to mention terribly unstable temperaments.

 

[cane]

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/17287-Raven-6-Months-And-A-Question! Some good conversations about this subject. I still stand by my opinion that there is a difference in the Cane Corso's being sold and its easy to see.

 

[ErosVp]

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/11149-CC-Question-Americanized-vs.-true-Italian

that is basically the same discussion....

 

[kong]

The pic of the dog that you think is fake is Kong when he was young.Theres a few more pics of him on this site at around 18 months. The paper work from the iccf that i have, and the 8 generations back could be fake also I don't know.

 

[khplaw]

I researched this breed for almost a year. I tracked the Italian lines and forward. Like Little Jake said, I too had a spreadsheet going. Then I realized that the temperament is equally if not more important. Just as anything that is bred, as particular traits become more popular, the "ethics" of breeding are largely ignored. No you cannot breed brother and sister but you would be hard pressed to find someone who has a working knowledge of those guidelines sufficiently well as to not make a mistake. Proper breeders know what to do, where to do their research. and what they're looking for in temperament. And how to achieve all that.

When you find a breeder/kennel who have it right, celebrate that!The lack of consistency is problematic as the lines become blurred and traits are either sacrificed or enhanced. Mellowed or magnified. When it came time to select my corso, I looked for the type I liked sure, but most importantly, the bloodlines and the temperament. For many, looks are all they want, and others want the whole package.

 

[terzo corso]

Mostly because I see so many variances as well when I Google for pics.

Variances are acceptable,even expected/desired. AFA as identifying "real" Corsi......there are a few registeries that can easily verify that(while acknowledging some paperwork doesn't always match up).


AFA getting a good healthy Corso.... As mentioned already,a person will need to do their own research and decide if they can trust any particular breeder as to the quality(health,temperment,lines) of their Corsi.


Let the buyer beware

 

[Cody]

As was said above there is very little consistency in type. You need to research the breed and the standards. Unfortunately there are as many types as breeders and very very few who actually understand how to read the standard. In the end I guess it comes down to finding the dog with the "look" you are drawn to and the temperament that is most suited to your lifestyle and go from there. Research your breeder, look and see what they have produced and what those dogs have accomplished in any arena and talk to as many different people as possible. There are many pages on FB that at this time will give you an idea of who and what the breeders are about and what their priorities are. Good luck

 

[kong]

Here's a couple pictures of the fake at 18 months!He is everything I want!

 

[DalCielo CC]

Good luck on FB. There are more lies, deceit, personal attacks, personal agenda's, collusion, and just plain fantasy than I could have ever imagined. And then you have the recent CC club business. Hollywood needs to take notes from the Corso people on FB.

 

[terzo corso]

Here's a couple pictures of the fake at 18 months!He is everything I want!

Very Nice Corso!

 

[love4mastiffs]

Here's a couple pictures of the fake at 18 months!He is everything I want!

Is that yours? I meant no disrespect. That dog looks really beautiful. I'm actually interested where you go it from? Who bred it?

I'm just confused about what this breed should be. I've seen so many variations that it is hard to tell where this breed is going.

 

[khplaw]

Is that yours? I meant no disrespect. That dog looks really beautiful. I'm actually interested where you go it from? Who bred it?

I'm just confused about what this breed should be. I've seen so many variations that it is hard to tell where this breed is going.

That's the whole point! What you want is what you want.

"And then you have the recent CC club business..." What IS up with that BTW? I was planning to join, and then there were the less than stellar issues...has any of this been resolved or is it still an open issue?

At any rate, you love your dog, and it loves you and that is all that matters.
Beautiful dog, beautiful color, love the ears!

 

[Campbell Corso]

Kong- beautiful dog!

 

[khplaw]

Is that yours? I meant no disrespect. That dog looks really beautiful. I'm actually interested where you go it from? Who bred it?<br>
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I'm just confused about what this breed should be. I've seen so many variations that it is hard to tell where this breed is going.

<br><br>That's the whole point! What you want is what you want. &nbsp;<br><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 13.63636302947998px;">"And then you have the recent CC club business..." What IS up with that BTW? &nbsp;I was planning to join, and then there were the less than stellar issues...has any of this been resolved or is it still an open issue?<br></span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); line-height: 13.63636302947998px;"><br>At any rate, you love your dog, and it loves you and that is all that matters.&nbsp;<br>Beautiful dog, beautiful color, love the ears!<br><br></span><br>