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Which Dog has the best natural guard temperament when correctly bred?

cinnamon roll

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I do not know much about your breed. Are there any websites that you could recommend?

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said in this topic, and I particularly agree with what Tiger12490 said.

You have to meet and experience breeds you are interested in, in person first. What people write about (rare) guardian breeds on the internet is often untrue or hyped up (I wrote about all common misconceptions about my breed on dogforums).
And you have to go visit the breeder at home too.
Many times breeders will make all kinds of claims, but when you go to visit their dogs you'll realize that was not what you were looking for.

Kangals and Bully Kutta's are usually far more DA than HA, so they are not breeds I personally would recommend as property guardians.
With Central Asian shepherds (Ovcharka is a Russian word for shepherd dog) it's hit and miss; it will all depend on the lines.
As I mentioned in of the other threads before, the Turkmen people would historically cull any Alabai (this is the word the Turkmen use to refer to their subtype within the CAO breed) that would appear human aggressive during the day.
And with so many CAO's being used for dog fighting nowadays (because this is such a lucrative business in former Soviet Union), far more CAO's are DA than HA.

Another thing that's important to remember is that the LGD type of guardian breeds are usually too independent and too stubborn for most dog owners out there. They are quite different from other dog breeds out there. Plus they do require a lot of space.
So a dog owner looking for a guardian breed has to do his/her homework so they can properly chose a breed that will fit within their lifestyle.

When I look at my breed (we own two Caucasian Ovcharka's), I do feel too many bad breeders are working hard on ruining this majestic breed.
I'm not against dog shows per se, because in some countries you can't get your breeding license if your breeding stock hasn't been evaluated on a dog show at least once and rated either excellent or very good.
On top of that, I know of several CO breeders who invested a lot of time and energy into their dogs so even though their dogs do have the correct protective temperament, they can still show them.
Of course it helps that they show in places where the judge doesn't opens the dog's mouth, the owner/handler does it.

But all that requires a lot of time and effort from the breeder. Most CO breeders will then simply chose to select for the prettiest, softest of character dog so they can more easily show them.
It is much easier to score a few show tittles and then sell your puppies for a higher price because their (grand) dam/sire is Ch. GCH, CWSG etc, without any regard for health or functionality of the breed.
To only select for the protective and stable temperament, good health, score the so called Guard Duty diploma (and other certificates according to the Russian model available out there that will show your CO has a temperament that's according to the breed standard) apparently is too much effort for most CO breeders out there.
So to me it is a combination of bad breeders and dog shows that are the reason so many (working) breeds are being ruined.

I particularly don't have anything good to say about almost all CO breeders in U.S. & Canada.
Almost none of them health test or temperament test (the one breeder I think is good no longer breeds).
To make matters worse, most of them import their CO's only from the large, commercial kennels that mainly breed for looks. And this is their foundation stock...
They seem to be more focused on making money and outmaneuvering their competitors than anything else unfortunately.
So while it's easier to find a good CO in Europe, if you are new to the breed or just not very careful, you still might end up with a dog that has health or temperament issues or both.

Caucasian Ovcharka's are not suited at all for most dog owners out there, but I thought I'd write this down in regard to the OP's question.
 

MountainDogs

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I do not know much about your breed. Are there any websites that you could recommend?

Unfortunately there are not that many accurate websites about his breed in English.
But you can read CO's breed standard as it gives some good background info about the breed here: http://www.ruskiizvor.com/standard_ko_new.htm or here: http://www.rarebreed.com/breeds/caucasian/caucasian_ukc_std.html (I have to note that in the second link they forgot to mention that the genetic liver and the genetic blue colors are not allowed in this breed)
And if you don't mind reading a lot of text lol, you can read what I wrote about CO's here: http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/199362-dispelling-incorrect-information-about.html
P.S. it seems photobucket is experiencing some maintenance issues right now so not all pictures that I posted on there will properly be displayed today.
 

dheepakh

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Thank you so much MountainDogs! You have been very helpful. Yeah i live in India(Chennai city). Very hot and humid climate most of the year.
Please recommend some mastiff breeds which suits my climate.
 

tojvan

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Thank you so much MountainDogs! You have been very helpful. Yeah i live in India(Chennai city). Very hot and humid climate most of the year.
Please recommend some mastiff breeds which suits my climate.
Lol chennai express, any mastiff breed with short hair would be great.
 
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dheepakh

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Hi tojvan! Thanks for your suggestions. But i researched breeds like bullmastiff and french mastiff will suffer in a hot and humid climate as they are brachycephalic . I guess its due to their smashed face. What about cane corso, boerboel and fila brasielero.Please help!
 

dheepakh

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No its not true. I have heard somewhere that the Brazilian army compared the Fila breed to Doberman Pinschers and German Shepherds in a five year study using these dogs in the jungle under extremely hostile conditions where heat and cold will be intolerable. I hope they will do good provided there is shade and water.
 

cinnamon roll

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Thank you so much

Unfortunately there are not that many accurate websites about his breed in English.
But you can read CO's breed standard as it gives some good background info about the breed here: http://www.ruskiizvor.com/standard_ko_new.htm or here: http://www.rarebreed.com/breeds/caucasian/caucasian_ukc_std.html (I have to note that in the second link they forgot to mention that the genetic liver and the genetic blue colors are not allowed in this breed)
And if you don't mind reading a lot of text lol, you can read what I wrote about CO's here: http://www.dogforums.com/general-dog-forum/199362-dispelling-incorrect-information-about.html
P.S. it seems photobucket is experiencing some maintenance issues right now so not all pictures that I posted on there will properly be displayed today.
 

MountainDogs

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You're most welcome CR & dheepakh :)

@ dheepakh, you are correct BM's & DDB's really do not do well in hot and humid climates. I can say this from first hand experience.
Just looking for short-haired molossers is not enough of course.
In my opinion, the more massively a dog is built (think very heavy boned dogs) and the shorter his snout is, the more problems this dog will experience in hot and humid weather.
My advice would be to focus on mastiff breeds that originate from countries that have more similar climates to yours.
Breeds like the Tosa, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, molossers native to India & Pakistan like the Bohli Kutta, and perhaps Alano Español, Cao Fila de Sao Miguel or Presa/Dogo Canario could fit the bill too.
Then you should research throughly which of these breeds have the characteristics that you are looking for in a dog. And then you could see if you can find an ethical breeder that will stand behind his/hers dogs 100 %, that you can go visit in person first before you commit to buying a puppy.
 

dheepakh

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Oh thank you so much Mountain dogs. We have Cane corso, boerboels and fila brasileiro breeders here in India.Very few breeders but all of them are elite class breeders. I am scared to go for fila because due to frequent visitors in my home. May be i will go for canes or boerboels. What about them?Will they do ok in a hot and humid climate? Please help Mountain dogs!
 

MountainDogs

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I think with CC's & BB's high humidity is more of a problem than very hot weather.
But on the other hand, your future CC or BB will come from a local breeder so the puppy will already be somwhat acclimated to the weather conditions.
So, if I were you I would talk to these breeders extensively and ask them how well their dogs do during the hot and humid months. Ask them what exactly do they do to keep their dogs cool.
Look for a breeder that focuses on the functionality and then try to visit the breeder in person at least once.

P.S. I think it is just awesome you care so much about choosing the right dog for you. Most people unfortunately just buy a dog based on the looks with little or no regard as to how these dogs will fit in their lifestyle.
So kudos to you :)
 

dheepakh

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Thank you Mountain dogs. I already have rottie and a solid black gsd.They both are doing good in my climate provided they are in my indoor kennel with lots of windows for aeration and continous water supply. I hope canes and boerboels will do ok in my climate. Anyway i will research and get back to you.
 

chaser17

Active Member
...But I believe show's are in direct connection to the sissyfication of most all breads.
I agree with this! I always think about it too.. Example-DDBs were bred to guard and protect but now the only thing that judges this breed is how well they do in show?.. Doesn't make any sense to me. Dogs should be bred for a specific purpose, not to prance around a ring.

Sorry a little off topic!
 

dheepakh

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No problem chaser17. After all we are all dog owners who wants to care for a dog so much thats why we are researching the breed which suits our climate and lifestyle.
 

BradA1878

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This is kinda a silly thread to me. How many people who have posted have owned all the dogs discussed? How can anyone really have an educated opinion on breeds they've not owned?
 

chuckorlando

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The same way you can have an educated opinion on space having never been there. Or an educated opinion on combustion engines having never built one. Or any number of things in the world that research can provide answers to.
 

BradA1878

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That's a bit different since that's all published science and fact while breed descriptions are based on hearsay and hype. Which is what these opinions are based on.

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