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TricAP

Well-Known Member
That's great that the issue was caught soon and is being treated quickly! Give Xena extra cuddles from us - and take a deep breath for yourself. We'll keep sending good thoughts your way she's up and going strong again in no time! :pray:
 

Lilliput

Active Member
Thank you guys so much for all of your support and advice.

I feel so stupid that worms never crossed my mind. Looking back, she has always had that pot bellied look to her but my husband and I just thought it was a cute puppy belly.

She still hasn't been interested in food, but she's keeping water and broth down and hasn't vomited since this morning. She hasn't had a bowel movement yet but hopefully by morning she'll be feeling better. Right now she's awake and cuddly but not her normal bouncy self. I'm still hesitant to get too optimistic, but feeling relieved that at least we know it isn't parvo and hopefully nothing a little TLC won't fix!

I can't wait until she's back to chasing the toddler and chewing everything in sight!
 

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry to hear Zena was not doing well but appears she's on the mend. Titan and I send healing vibes to Miss Zena.

How is she doing morning?
 
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Lilliput

Active Member
I'm so sorry to hear Zena was not doing well but appears she's on the mend. Titan and I send healing vibes to Miss Zena.

How is she doing morning?


This morning/last night have not been great.

I got up with her at 12 and at 4, both times she wouldn't get up or come out of her crate but I made her. Took her outside and she won't even stand to pee, she just barely lifts her tail while sitting...

Still no bowel movements. At four I could tell she was running a temp. I'm still forcing broth down, but she has no interest in anything to eat or drink, and just now when I gave her more broth she threw it all back up. It was frothy and white....

I don't know what to do. She looks absolutely awful, and she's completely listless. I can't even convince her to lift her head.
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
Call your vet. You have already paid for a visit. Inform them of what is going on and ask their opinion. I would take her temp. before you call so you can tell them what it is.

I would think that she has a pretty good tummy ache since she was wormed. Honestly, if this was a little bit older pup I would tell you not to worry but since she is so young you do have to stay on top of it.
 

Lilliput

Active Member
Talked to the vet, he says there's nothing more for her we can do. :( He said the only other thing left would be to get some syringes and I can give her sub q fluids, but other than that she's already on antibiotics and anti nausea.
 

Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
Talked to the vet, he says there's nothing more for her we can do. :( He said the only other thing left would be to get some syringes and I can give her sub q fluids, but other than that she's already on antibiotics and anti nausea.

Really? She can't stand and won't lift her head and they don't want you to bring her in? I'd have her to a different vet immediately. If she won't drink for you, I'd be very concerned about dehydration, especially because she is so young. Maybe the vet is right, but I'd still want her seen. I know you must be very worried. Please let us know how she's doing.
 

TricAP

Well-Known Member
2x finding another vet ASAP! You should be seeing improvement by now. We'll keep sending good thoughts your way - keep us posted. :pray:
 

WyomingWild

Well-Known Member
I hope she is doing well. I agree with Angelbears that she could just be feeling bad because of all the meds and dewormer. That stuff is hard on them. But I also second calling another vet. There are some great ones out there and there are also some not so good ones. I would just call and see what they say. She sounds pretty sick if she won't even lift her head.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Oh man I am happy it was not parvo but really concerned for her health now. Get some pedialite or something similar and a feeding tube if needed and get something substantial in her. I would seek out another vet and get a second opinion. What did the vet do regarding the worms? 7 weeks to me is to young to be away from the mom and you mentioned you got her at 6 weeks. The shelter did not check for and deworm her? If the vet did not give a worming shot or liquid you might want to buy some SafeGuard from Amazon (get the stuff for goats they give directions for dogs by the pound) check with a vet to see if the dog is strong enough to be given a 3 day dose of Panacure/Fenbendazole (SafeGuard).

Dosage info.
Safeguard Goat Dewormer Suspension 10% (100 mg/mL) has Fenbendazole as its active ingredient and can also be used to worm dogs. It is useful against the most common canine intestinal worms including whipworms, hookworms, roundworms and tapeworms. It is even effective at fighting giardia. I use it regularly when worming my own four dogs and I know many multiple dog households, rescues and shelters that use it as well because it is much more economical than Fenbendazole wormers marketed for dogs such as Panacur C.

DOSAGE AND DIRECTIONS FOR DOGS:
Shake bottle well and then measuring with an oral medication syringe give 1 mL (equal to 1 cc or ¼ teaspoon) per each 5 lbs. of your dog's weight mixed with a small amount of moist dog food (to make sure the dog consumes it all). Repeat this dose for three days in a row. For giardia, repeat dose for 5-10 days in a row.

Newly weaned pups (6 to 8 weeks of age) should be dewormed at 6, 8, 10, and 12 weeks of age. Treat the dam at the same time as the puppies. Dogs over six months of age should be dewormed, if not monthly, at least twice each year. Each deworming requires 3 daily treatments.

NOTE: The dosage above is for 20 mg of Fenbendazole per pound of your dog's weight.

The dosage for goats is only 2.3 mg per pound as opposed to 20 mg per pound for dogs. This is because goats and dogs are different species, have different physiologies, digestive tracts and metabolisms and also because different worms are being targeted in each (you can call Safeguard customer service and they will confirm this as will any veterinarian).

IN GOATS fenbendazole targets: Stomach Worms (Haemonchus contortus, Teladorsagia circumcincta).

IN DOGS fenbendazole targets: Roundworms (Toxocara canis, Toxascaris leonina), Hookworms (Ancylostoma caninum, Uncinaria stenocephala), Whipworms (Trichuris vulpis), and Tapeworms (Taenia pisiformis) as well as being effective against giardia.

Because the dosage for using fendendazole in dogs is 20 mg per pound and this suspension is 100 mg of fendendazole per 1 mL (equal to 1 cc), that means 1 mL (or 1 cc) will treat 5 lbs. of dog (confirmed by my dog's veterinarian).

Panacur C dog wormer uses 888 mg of fenbendazole per 3 day treatment for a 40 lb. dog which is equal to 22.2 mg per pound so their dosage is just slightly higher than 20 mg per pound of dog.

The Pill Book Guide to Medication for Your Dog and Cat actually recommends a dosage of 23 mg of fenbendazole per pound of dog given for 3 consecutive days.

SAFETY:
Fenbendazole is very safe. Doses up to 100 times the recommended dose of 20 mg per pound are tolerated without serious side effects. It is also safe for use with pregnant and lactating dogs as well.

An accidental overdose may cause minor vomiting and diarrhea. It is also possible that dogs might experience hypersensitivity reactions to dying parasites. If facial swelling, hives, scratching, vomiting, shock, seizures, pale gums, cold limbs or lethargy ensue, your dog may be experiencing an allergic reaction. In cases of accidental overdose or allergic reactions you should contact a veterinarian immediately.
 

Lilliput

Active Member
Xena is not doing well at all right now. We went back to the vet, he gave us needles and bags of saline so that I can give her sub q fluid shots, which I have started. She got dewormer yesterday, is on anti nausea meds, and two different antibiotics. I am also syringing chicken broth and pedialite into her every half an hour.

She looks really awful right now. I have to be honest, I'm not sure if it would be more humane to have her put down or if we should continue. Her eyes are sunken, she is vomiting white froth, and she's shaking like a leaf.
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry! The little ones can go down quick but they can also rebound just as quickly. I would try to keep her as warm as possible. Maybe wrap her in a blanket or a heating pad(just not to hot).

Did the vet say why she is in such distress?

Have you called the shelter that you got her from to see if they have anything go around?

Trust yourself! You know what is best for her.

Keeping you and Xena in our thoughts!!!
 

Lilliput

Active Member
I'm so sorry! The little ones can go down quick but they can also rebound just as quickly. I would try to keep her as warm as possible. Maybe wrap her in a blanket or a heating pad(just not to hot).

Did the vet say why she is in such distress?

Have you called the shelter that you got her from to see if they have anything go around?

Trust yourself! You know what is best for her.

Keeping you and Xena in our thoughts!!!


He is guessing that it is coccidia, however she is already on the medications used to treat that with no signs of improvement. He offered to do another parvo test but I declined, since we're already doing what needs to be done to treat either scenario.

I don't know what to do. I did call the shelter to inform them that she is sick. They said if she dies they'll give me another puppy. Not exactly what I was going for. :/
 

WyomingWild

Well-Known Member
So sorry to hear that :( I didn't think they would get that sickly that fast from coccidia. I haven't experience that though. Did he offer to take a blood test? Could she be having some type of organ failure?? Or virus and white blood cell count is low?

Hang in there!
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
Is one of the antibiotics Albon? After 3 days you should start to see some improvement but she could be be pretty sick for a couple of days. You are very correct in that parvo and coccidia or treated similarly. Key to both are hydration.

I wish I had something more definitive to tell you. If you can keep her hydrated she should have a good chance to get over this.

Big hugs! I'm so sorry that you and Xena are going through this.
 

sjdavenport

Well-Known Member
Is she keeping her meds down long enough for them to be absorbed? How often is she vomiting? I don't know how the vet expects any of her meds to be effective if she just vomits them right back up. How big is she and what amount of fluids are you giving SQ and how frequently? Once puppies become about 7% or so dehydrated, their vascular perfusion in the sub q space becomes limited and they stop effectively absorbing fluids given by that route. When you give a bolus under her skin, how long does it take her body to absorb it completely, or does the lump just sit there? You said her eyes are starting to become sunken, are her gums pink and moist or dry, tacky, or pale? When you tent the skin above her shoulder blades, how long does it take to return to normal? Did you say if she has a fever or not? If it were coccidia, they should have easily identified that on the same fecal that they used to diagnose the rounds, especially if it's severe enough to make her this ill. If she were mine, I would request that she be hospitalized so she could get aggressive supportive care and IV fluids rather than sub q (although it doesn't sound like your vet would spring for that), and I would have asked for bloodwork and the additional parvo test. I am so sorry to hear how poorly she's doing, I know how difficult it is to see your baby suffering. Hang in there, and I hope she turns a corner quickly. Sounds like you're doing what you can for her, just keep her warm and keep up with the fluids and broth.
 

enzo_canecorso

Well-Known Member
She looks really awful right now. I have to be honest said:
I dont have any advice for this particular situation other than to stay strong and go with your gut. She is counting on you right now to help her get through this. I know how difficult it can be to look at them and wonder if you are doing the right thing by trying to save them. We had the same talk when our little guy got sick, he pulled through. All of my positive thoughts, energy and prayers are coming your way. You are doing the best you can and that is all you can do.