Too many fat dogs.

[MandyLionRock]

I would love to see the (unedited) preview...very much so.

I just tried to send it to you but it doesn't allow for that many characters.

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[MandyLionRock]

Now your responses are starting to make a lot of sense to me. I wish you would have done an introduction to the forum instead of charging in like a bull. I still think it was wrong to personally attack a couple of the members but now I know where you are coming from which helps a lot. I will die if you really are Season just messing with us! HA!

Start a new thread with your introduction. I would love to see whatever you have learned and are writing about mastiffs.

When it comes to dogs and how they are treated I have no tolerance. I love dogs more than anything. I know that can come across as abrasive sometimes but in all honesty my meaning was misunderstood. I was made to look like someone who took issue with overweight people. It offends me that people would think that if me because that is shallow and pointless. What I took issue with was people denying the fact that how they feed their dogs and themselves causes most obesity issues. I was trying to drive home the reality that we are in control of what we and our dogs eat. If we choose to eat less than healthy I don't see anything wrong with that. Because everyone should have the freedom to do what they want as long as no one other than themselves gets hurt. But when we feed dogs less than healthy then we are in fact hurting an innocent life. That is where the line is drawn for me. I don't have an issue nor the right to tell people what to eat. I'm no one to talk... I have been consuming a bottle of jack a day since Raphael has passed so I am in no positing to judge what people do to themselves. But it's when their behavior has negative effects on dogs I get pissed. Especially when some people flat out deny that being overweight is very bad for a dog's health and well being.
I hope that explains it.

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[Yamizuma]

Our dogs are so very special in our lives. They give us so much, ask so little of us and their love is so genuine. They save many of us. I lost one of the most wonderful dogs I've ever had the privilege to share my life with not long ago. I still have her ashes. My heart still has a Bella shaped paw print in it, a spot that will always belong to her. At first my grief in her loss was like the ocean, crashing and crushing. In time, it eased and Tali helped so much.

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[MandyLionRock]

Our dogs are so very special in our lives. They give us so much, ask so little of us and their love is so genuine. They save many of us. I lost one of the most wonderful dogs I've ever had the privilege to share my life with not long ago. I still have her ashes. My heart still has a Bella shaped paw print in it, a spot that will always belong to her. At first my grief in her loss was like the ocean, crashing and crushing. In time, it eased and Tali helped so much.

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I guess you and I do have some things in common. Thank you for that. Sincerely. Thank you.

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[NYDDB]

I just tried to send it to you but it doesn't allow for that many characters.

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Sent you a pm.

 

[MandyLionRock]

Our dogs are so very special in our lives. They give us so much, ask so little of us and their love is so genuine. They save many of us. I lost one of the most wonderful dogs I've ever had the privilege to share my life with not long ago. I still have her ashes. My heart still has a Bella shaped paw print in it, a spot that will always belong to her. At first my grief in her loss was like the ocean, crashing and crushing. In time, it eased and Tali helped so much.

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And I'm so sorry about your angel.

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[Nik]

Season, I agree with you wholeheartedly on the overweight dog epidemic (people are the author of their own situations...and solutions, I'll just leave that there). How many times do you see posts on here with owners "worried" their dog is not big enough, while posting a picture of an otherwise healthy, fit looking animal! It seems to be some kind of race for who can brag about having the heaviest dog?!? Locally I see the same thing when out on various local dog events - onwers beaming about their "big" dog while holding the leash of some poor overweight animal panting for dear life and unable to walk the length of a parking lot hardly. But yea, they got a "big dog"?!

/rant

Cobalt - I am one of those that has admitted to size envy but it has nothing to do with his weight. I know my dog is fit and healthy and a good weight. Some of us who wish our puppy would be bigger just mean that we wish they genetically landed on the overall larger (height, structure, etc) side of the scale. And I am assuming most people who say they want a bigger dog feel the same. My dogs health is the most important thing to me but that doesn't mean I can't secretly hope that he ends up a foot taller before he finishes growing... I also will love him just as much if he stays as small as he is. Just want to clarify that many of us don't equate bigger with weighing more. Some of us (I hope most of us) do know the difference between healthy and not.


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[season]

I'm gone for awhile and this turns into a hug fest with rainbows and unicorns. Karennj continues to come back to the thread after saying she's leaving? Ppl are realizing I'm not Mandy and Mandy isn't me? Cinnamon wants to cuddle? This is pure magic! Let's all cuddle!


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[marke]

MandyLionRock, I understand your stance because you believe weight does have a negative effect on health and Marke does not. .

not what I said at all , I said some dogs are just fat , like this one , you keep this dog skinny and your either underfeeding it or over exercising it ............ I've skinnied up fat dogs it's not a healthy way to keep them ...............i'm being told that this dog needs fed less and worked harder than her sister because she shouldn't look like this ??????? that's crazy......................her sister eats half her food as it is ........................................................................................................

............................................................here's her sister , if you don't recognize this fact , you just don't know .................................................................................................................................................................

 

[marke]

I would absolutely. But the issue here is that I'm 100 percent pro dog. If I don't think the dogs are taken care of 100 percent by a knowledgeable person I cannot promote it. I can only use such a person as a bad example. I'm sorry but so many things you said are so wrong I have too many red flags. I'd you can convince me otherwise with intelligent and well informed replies then I'll be the first one to sing a different tune.

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lol , you've convinced me .............

 

[MandyLionRock]

not what I said at all , I said some dogs are just fat , like this one , you keep this dog skinny and your either underfeeding it or over exercising it ............ I've skinnied up fat dogs it's not a healthy way to keep them ...............i'm being told that this dog needs fed less and worked harder than her sister because she shouldn't look like this ??????? that's crazy......................her sister eats half her food as it is ........................................................................................................

............................................................here's her sister , if you don't recognize this fact , you just don't know .................................................................................................................................................................

I think we might be talking about two different things... I have in the past experienced people not knowing the difference between my dogs being massive and fat. Maybe this is what people are telling you? In other words... someone who might be used to looking at less massive breeds might be looking at a massive DDB falsely assuming that they are looking at a "fat" dog? We birth know that a proper mastiff has mass that other breeds do not have so it could be confusing for the uninformed? Is that what we are talking about here? Then, of course, losing mass does not make sense because the mass is bone and muscle rather than fat. ..? Is that it?

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[MandyLionRock]

I'm gone for awhile and this turns into a hug fest with rainbows and unicorns. Karennj continues to come back to the thread after saying she's leaving? Ppl are realizing I'm not Mandy and Mandy isn't me? Cinnamon wants to cuddle? This is pure magic! Let's all cuddle!


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Glad to see you back.

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[Yamizuma]

I'm gone for awhile and this turns into a hug fest with rainbows and unicorns. Karennj continues to come back to the thread after saying she's leaving? Ppl are realizing I'm not Mandy and Mandy isn't me? Cinnamon wants to cuddle? This is pure magic! Let's all cuddle!


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LOL! Magic indeed!

I kind of think of this forum as an awesome dog park without the downsides. While it doesn't burn off my dogs' energy, I get to know other knowledgable owners, pick their brains on all kinds of common problems, get to know them and their fabulous dogs a bit... And I know they know my fur kids aren't 'just a dog'.

You get to know who you like to play with and see others you do not want to hang with.

When a new dog comes bouncing in, I kind of want to have a sniff before engaging in roughhousing, playing tug, or having it bark in my face while I'm engaged.

This is me, shaking it off like Tali would and saying I like it when we play nice in this park. We have a lot to offer each other on serious issues and fun things...

...which is not to say there won't be more tug of war ahead...because, Mastiffs!






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[Yamizuma]

And I'm so sorry about your angel.

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Sincere Thanks. If there is an after life, I'm going to have such an amazing pack waiting!


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[marke]

the difference i see in the dogs such as izzy and her sister is the fat under the skin , you grab a handful of skin and it's obvious why they look so different , they were born that way ....... body fat is almost certainly predetermined , most all obese people were obese children , you would be hard pressed to find a normal weight child that grew into an obese adult ........... just as you won't find skinny puppies that become obese dogs ..... i can honestly say that right now i don't personally know anyone with an obese dog , and i've only actually seen no more than a few in my life , a beagle , labrador and a basset hound being all i can think of off the top of my head , and the lab i don't know the owner , he just walks it by my house all the time , and it appears very old ......

ever heard said "physically fit but not healthy " or "living too healthy can be dangerous" it's true ......... staying in game day shape is stressful on the body , i think mildly overweight , if that's your body type , is a healthier situation ......

same applies to dogs , i have found it obvious........

Three years after noted "Fat-O-Sphere" writer Kate Harding posted a slideshow illustrating how ridiculous the BMI standards are, the NY Times agrees: the body mass index is unreliable.

In our society, we're so quick to call someone who appears to be fat "unhealthy." But health is not a quality that can be judged or seen with the naked eye. There are thin people who smoke and don't eat any vegetables. There are obese people — including Steven N. Blair, one of the nation's leading experts on the health benefits of exercise — who jog every day. You can't see genetic material, a decaying liver or gingivitis in a photograph.
The BMI — which is calculated by dividing your weight in kilograms by the square of your height in meters, doesn't differentiate between fat and muscle. Dr. Carl Lavie, a cardiologist at the Ochsner Heart and Vascular Institute in New Orleans, tells the Times that according to the BMI: "a six-foot, 250-pound man will be obese." But! "If he were an N.F.L. lineman of 6-foot-3 weighing 280 pounds, he might be solid muscle with only 2 percent body fat."
Basically, trying to judge the health of an individual using the BMI? It's bullshit. To make matters worse, there's what Dr. Lavie and colleagues have called "the obesity paradox."

The paradox refers to the repeated finding that while overweight people are more prone to heart failure, patients with heart failure have lower mortality rates if they are obese. The reason for this paradox is far from clear, though Dr. Lavie suggested that one explanation could be that once people become ill, having more bodily "reserve" could be to their advantage.
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In many cases, fat has benefits. But the chance that this science will stop folks from calling overweight people unhealthy? Slim.

at the turn of the century our average lifespan was around 50 , as we've become fatter and lazier our lifespan is now near 80 ............... with the state of the government programs you'd think they'd be handing out free cigarettes and bacon ..........

 

[karennj]

not what I said at all , I said some dogs are just fat , like this one ,

You disagreed with Mandylionrock on the effects of weight to heart and joint issues, which I believe is what really set him off. That is what I was referring to.
"I don't believe dogs get the arterial diseases we do , I think their heart problems are limited to genetic diseases ........... as far as joint disease , weight may exacerbate it , but it certainly doesn't cause it"

"and no , size/weight absolutely does not cause joint or heart issues .......... joint issues are from injury or genetics , heart issues in dogs are genetic"

Season, I didn't say I was leaving, I just wanted to turn off the notifications. I have tapatalk or whatever it is called and my phone was blowing up with alerts that a new post was left! This thread was like a bad car wreck. You don't want to look but you can't not......

 

[Th0r]

The BMI is a tool used by the insurance companies to refuse coverage!
No relevance to reality and ethnicity.

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[MandyLionRock]

the difference i see in the dogs such as izzy and her sister is the fat under the skin , you grab a handful of skin and it's obvious why they look so different , they were born that way ....... body fat is almost certainly predetermined , most all obese people were obese children , you would be hard pressed to find a normal weight child that grew into an obese adult ........... just as you won't find skinny puppies that become obese dogs ..... i can honestly say that right now i don't personally know anyone with an obese dog , and i've only actually seen no more than a few in my life , a beagle , labrador and a basset hound being all i can think of off the top of my head , and the lab i don't know the owner , he just walks it by my house all the time , and it appears very old ......

ever heard said "physically fit but not healthy " or "living too healthy can be dangerous" it's true ......... staying in game day shape is stressful on the body , i think mildly overweight , if that's your body type , is a healthier situation ......

same applies to dogs , i have found it obvious........





at the turn of the century our average lifespan was around 50 , as we've become fatter and lazier our lifespan is now near 80 ............... with the state of the government programs you'd think they'd be handing out free cigarettes and bacon ..........

Actually what you are describing is "thick skin" which is not the same thing as "fat".
Just like "in shape" is not the same thing as being "ripped". Let me explain. ..
I work out a lot and I see a lot of people who are working hard to get "in shape".
Let's look at a power lifter for example... a power lifter is definitely strong, "in shape" and not fat but definitely not "ripped". A power lifter has tons of muscle but it is covered by thick skin because no attention is paid to the thinning of the skin which means you cannot see the definition of the muscle. The only way up expose the muscle is by getting what we call "vascular". Getting vascular is not achieved by losing fat but rather by thinning of the skin. Believe it or not most of what you believe to be "fat" in the skin is actual water retention. So one of the things I do to get that "ripped" look is drink tons of water so my body stops retaining it. You cannot make a dog drink more water than it wants so its not as easy to get that "ripped" look in a dog as it is with a human because we can make ourselves drink water even when we aren't thirsty.
You can be "in shape" but that does not mean that you have a six pack. You have to thin your skin in order to get "ripped". There are also people who are "ripped" but that does not mean they are "in shape". Just look at the average drug addict. They often have thin skin and have a skinny and "ripped" appearance but they are far from being "in shape".
So you are not quite understanding what you are talking about here.

Please don't take this as an insult but this is precisely why I suggested for you to educate yourself in areas you are speaking about.
Also... I know personally a lot of former so called "fat kids" who grew up, changed their diet, lifestyle or both and they are now lean. Some of them are now models. In fact one of my ex girlfriends was a Playboy playmate of the year and former "fat kid" who one day decided to change her diet and lifestyle.
Again you are using the wrong words without knowing what you are really looking at and therfore perpetuate false information.
Some dogs are a little more "predisposed" to becoming heavy, just as some people are, but that is by no means a life sentence but rather a starting point.
I honestly suggest, and please don't take this the wrong way, you educate yourself about subjects you are interested in and like to discuss. It's crucial in order to communicate properly and address the proper issue rather than confusing them. Plus knowing your stuff helps you to be able to help others rather than spreading the wrong info and doing morr damage than good...
I hope this helps?.

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[MandyLionRock]

the difference i see in the dogs such as izzy and her sister is the fat under the skin , you grab a handful of skin and it's obvious why they look so different , they were born that way ....... body fat is almost certainly predetermined , most all obese people were obese children , you would be hard pressed to find a normal weight child that grew into an obese adult ........... just as you won't find skinny puppies that become obese dogs ..... i can honestly say that right now i don't personally know anyone with an obese dog , and i've only actually seen no more than a few in my life , a beagle , labrador and a basset hound being all i can think of off the top of my head , and the lab i don't know the owner , he just walks it by my house all the time , and it appears very old ......

ever heard said "physically fit but not healthy " or "living too healthy can be dangerous" it's true ......... staying in game day shape is stressful on the body , i think mildly overweight , if that's your body type , is a healthier situation ......

same applies to dogs , i have found it obvious........





at the turn of the century our average lifespan was around 50 , as we've become fatter and lazier our lifespan is now near 80 ............... with the state of the government programs you'd think they'd be handing out free cigarettes and bacon ..........

Actually what you are describing is "thick skin" which is not the same thing as "fat".
Just like "in shape" is not the same thing as being "ripped". Let me explain. ..
I work out a lot and I see other people who are working hard to get "in shape". Some of those people work out for different reasons and to achieve different goals.
Let's look at a power lifter for example... a power lifter is definitely strong, "in shape" and not fat but usually not "ripped". A power lifter has tons of muscle but it is covered by thick skin because no attention is paid to the thinning of the skin which means you cannot see the definition of the muscle. The only way up expose the muscle is by getting what we call "vascular". Getting vascular is not achieved by losing fat but rather by the thinning of the skin. Believe it or not most of what you falsely believe to be "fat" in the skin is actual water retention. So one of the things I do to get that "ripped" look is drink tons of water so my body stops retaining it. You cannot make a dog drink more water than it wants so its not as easy to get that "ripped" look in a dog as it is with a human because we can make ourselves drink water even when we aren't thirsty.
You can be "in shape" but that does not mean that you have a six pack. You have to thin your skin in order to get "ripped". There are also people who are "ripped" but that does not mean they are "in shape". Just look at the average drug addict. They often have thin skin and have a skinny and "ripped" appearance but they are far from being "in shape".
So you are not quite understanding what you are looking at and talking about here.

Please don't take this as an insult but this is precisely why I suggested for you to educate yourself in areas you are speaking about.
Also... I know personally a lot of former so called "fat kids" who grew up, changed their diet, lifestyle or both and they are now lean. Some of them are now models. In fact one of my ex girlfriends was a Playboy playmate of the year and former "fat kid" who one day decided to change her diet and lifestyle.
Again you are using the wrong words without knowing what you are really looking at and therfore you are perpetuating false information.
Some dogs are a little more "predisposed" to becoming heavy, just as some people are, but that is by no means a life sentence but rather a starting point.
I honestly suggest, and please don't take this the wrong way, you educate yourself about subjects you are interested in and like to discuss. It's crucial in order to communicate properly and address the proper issue rather than confusing them. Plus knowing your stuff helps you to be able to help others rather than spreading the wrong info and doing more damage than good...
I hope this helps?.

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[MandyLionRock]

You disagreed with Mandylionrock on the effects of weight to heart and joint issues, which I believe is what really set him off. That is what I was referring to.
"I don't believe dogs get the arterial diseases we do , I think their heart problems are limited to genetic diseases ........... as far as joint disease , weight may exacerbate it , but it certainly doesn't cause it"

"and no , size/weight absolutely does not cause joint or heart issues .......... joint issues are from injury or genetics , heart issues in dogs are genetic"

Season, I didn't say I was leaving, I just wanted to turn off the notifications. I have tapatalk or whatever it is called and my phone was blowing up with alerts that a new post was left! This thread was like a bad car wreck. You don't want to look but you can't not......

That was definitely one of them. Thank you for catching that.

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