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To neuter to neuter that is the question

I need to know if neutering my 20 month old OEM will change him or keep him calm as they say. He is a good boy. Sometimes, maybe a little over protective but I hear that is normal behavior. \
Has anyone neutered their boy around 2years and noticed any changes in behavior good or bad?
Thank you for any input.
 

WalnutCrest

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I advise people to NOT neuter their males before 18 months ... waiting until around 2yrs is even better. There's no real reason to wait much past that...so, I guess I'd say, do it whenever its convenient for your family between now and his 2nd birthday.

And, no, it shouldn't change his attitude / behavior in any material way.
 

WalnutCrest

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Why neuter?

Well, possibly because the OP's breeder requires it. All responsible breeders require their puppies to be sold with a written contract ... and many of those contracts stipulate the possibility and circumstances surrounding spay/neuter.

Another reason is that possibly he has an intact female and doesn't want to risk an unplanned breeding ... so, either spaying the bitch, neutering the male, or both would be responsible things to do.
 

Rugers-Kris

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I have always chose to leave my boys "as they were" and not neuter but I had one boy that got bit by a spider and it caused some issues and it was medically neccessay to get him neutered and it didn't change him in anyway at all. His personality was still the same and his habits (good and bad) were exactly the same. He did put on some weight but otherwise he didn't change at all.
 

ruthcatrin

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Its honestly not likely to make a signifigant change in his behavior.

As for WHY. I'll admit that personal preference is to leave them intact as long as you're not having issues. But any one of a number of health problems could drive it. Or having an intact female while not wanting to breed the male. Or even having a neighbor with an intact female! Apollo's pretty good about it, but many males simply go nuts when a bitch nearby goes into heat. Or aggression towards other dogs in the presence of a female may be hormone driven.

I do have to note that neutering a male may not stop him from trying to get at a bitch in heat, but it can at least ensure no pps result.
 

WalnutCrest

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Benign Prostate Hyperplasia

Cystinuria

Both life-threatening diseases can be addressed quite successfully by neutering.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Why neuter?

Well, possibly because the OP's breeder requires it. All responsible breeders require their puppies to be sold with a written contract ... and many of those contracts stipulate the possibility and circumstances surrounding spay/neuter.

Another reason is that possibly he has an intact female and doesn't want to risk an unplanned breeding ... so, either spaying the bitch, neutering the male, or both would be responsible things to do.

Neutering does NOT make one more responsible. Go to a pet store, expo, or better yet walk around in your own neighoborhood. Chances are those "reponsible" people are the same ones that incorporate no training and let their dogs dog as they please. Spay and Neuter is for human benefit period. In fact recent studies proved that the procedure does even more harm than good. Don't use a dog sack as for owner ignorance.

If your so against full dogs why not suggest to the OP to have their dog snipped ASAP instead of the suggested 2 years?
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I need to know if neutering my 20 month old OEM will change him or keep him calm as they say. He is a good boy. Sometimes, maybe a little over protective but I hear that is normal behavior. \
Has anyone neutered their boy around 2years and noticed any changes in behavior good or bad?
Thank you for any input.

Neutering will not calm your dog that is a myth spread by AR groups to scare people into neutering. The only thing that would modify his behavior is training.
 

WalnutCrest

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Neutering does NOT make one more responsible. Go to a pet store, expo, or better yet walk around in your own neighoborhood. Chances are those "reponsible" people are the same ones that incorporate no training and let their dogs dog as they please. Spay and Neuter is for human benefit period. In fact recent studies proved that the procedure does even more harm than good. Don't use a dog sack as for owner ignorance.

If your so against full dogs why not suggest to the OP to have their dog snipped ASAP instead of the suggested 2 years?

I'm not sure what I intended to communicate was what was read ... I'll take the brunt of the responsibility for the misunderstanding. So, here, I'll try again. :)

First thing, to the extent I have any expertise or experience, it is limited to Mastiffs. If the facts are different for Danes, Saints, Dogues, Filas, etc., I couldn't tell you. So, everything that was written above (and written below) is solely with the Mastiff in mind.

Responsible breeders do NOT want to see their breed become over-bred. They do NOT want to see their dogs or their "grand-dogs" in rescue. They do not want irresponsible (i.e., "back yard" breeders) breeding any of the MANY lack-luster dogs that are out there being bred.

One way to prevent seeing so many pups for sale on eBay, CraigsList, etc. is for responsible breeders to require most/all pups that they're not going to keep for their own program to be sold on a contract which requires a spay/neuter after some minimum age.

Why a minimum age? Because, at least in larger breeds, the benefits of the hormones are most dramatic while their skeletal system is still growing...hence waiting until their bones are pretty well set and established at 2yrs or so of age.

Spaying and neutering is NOT only for the benefit of humans. It's also for the benefit of the breed. If someone has a awesome family pet, who also so happens to not fit the breed standard ... reasonable people will disagree as to whether or not the dog and the breed would be better off if this family pet were to be neutered before given a chance for a "whoops" breeding, resulting in pups who have the same genetic malady as the parent.

Related to this, there are also studies that show the best treatment for Benign Prostate Hyperplasia is neutering. BPH is not a genetic ailment. A friend of mine lost her awesome boy, a Mastiff named Finny, to BPH just a few months ago. I know if she'd have known the risk, she would have collected more semen on him, and would have had him neutered and kept as a great pet for the remainder of his days. His health would have been greatly improved with a neutering...instead, he's dead.

Also, it's been medically and scientifically shown that the best treatment for Mastiffs who are genetically predisposed to developing cystinuria (i.e., the creation of cystine crystals in their bladder, which create life-threatening blockages) is neutering.

I also know that there are medical references that state that animals benefit for having their sexual organs (and therefore the sexual hormones) for as long as possible ... and, so, as a result of there being a conundrum about what to do (or not do), someone having to decide whether or not an animal should be neutered, while each pet owner needs to have a preference about whether or not to desex an animal, it is my quite-firm belief that the best thing for each breed is when thoughtful and responsible breeders (i.e., those who are looking out for the well-being of their respective breeds) tell their pet buyers whether or not they want their pet spayed or neutered.

While your experience may differ, it is my experience that just as there are responsible owners who neuter (or spay) and responsible owners who do not neuter (or spay) ... there are also irresponsible owners who do one or the other. Lumping people into groups as it appears you have is sometimes not as constructive as one would prefer.

Thank you for your perspective.
 

ruthcatrin

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Neutering does NOT make one more responsible. Go to a pet store, expo, or better yet walk around in your own neighoborhood. Chances are those "reponsible" people are the same ones that incorporate no training and let their dogs dog as they please. Spay and Neuter is for human benefit period. In fact recent studies proved that the procedure does even more harm than good. Don't use a dog sack as for owner ignorance.

If your so against full dogs why not suggest to the OP to have their dog snipped ASAP instead of the suggested 2 years?

Hm, thats not how I read it? I took it as a response to the question about WHY to neuter, and as a statement that one of the usual hallmarks of a good, responsible, breeder is that there's a contract on the pup that states certain things, and that many of those contracts contain stipulations on when or if the pup can be spayed or neutered, and so that may be a reason to do so. Not as a statement about the responsiblity of a person who leaves their dog intact.
 
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Robtouw

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I neutered Buddy at age 2 and did not see any significant changes except that smacking sound when he licked in that rear area stopped! I neutered because I lived in a neighborhood where stupid people were not good at keeping their dogs contained and I did not want to take the chance of Buddy impregnating anyone by accident. It would have had to happen in our yard, because he was always well watched but thing do happen. Cruiser will remain in tact, we no longer live in a neighborhood and he has all the free space he wants and I don't have to worry about anyone else. I usually make an agreement with my breeders to keep all of my boys in tact regardless of intent to breed, which I do not plan to do. I do not believe there are "accidental litters" I think that if you own a pet it is your responsibility , not the dog's , to make sure your dog is well trained, vaccinated, steps are taken to ensure coupling does not occur without proper planning. Sorry, but I am a stickler for responsible pet ownership!
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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I neutered Buddy at age 2 and did not see any significant changes except that smacking sound when he licked in that rear area stopped! I neutered because I lived in a neighborhood where stupid people were not good at keeping their dogs contained and I did not want to take the chance of Buddy impregnating anyone by accident. It would have had to happen in our yard, because he was always well watched but thing do happen. Cruiser will remain in tact, we no longer live in a neighborhood and he has all the free space he wants and I don't have to worry about anyone else. I usually make an agreement with my breeders to keep all of my boys in tact regardless of intent to breed, which I do not plan to do. I do not believe there are "accidental litters" I think that if you own a pet it is your responsibility , not the dog's , to make sure your dog is well trained, vaccinated, steps are taken to ensure coupling does not occur without proper planning. Sorry, but I am a stickler for responsible pet ownership!

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