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This is why I hate people

Fang

New Member
Oh my!!! I hope she is okay!! I gotta say, I think I would have started to beat the crap out of that guy! Kicked him in the ribs or in the you know what! I'm so sorry that you had to go through that. Some people are just dumb and arrogant. Unfortunately that isn't much that we can do with these stupid people other than avoid them at all costs!
 

swalls21

Well-Known Member
I have goose bumps all over me, and am literally sick to my stomach! I absolutely have NO tollerance for animal abuse, and am sick and tired of big dogs getting a bad rap because of stupid sh*t like this! So many people think that little dogs are so sweet and innocent, but they are usually the ones that start the crap. I am just infuriated!! I hope to God that man does not own any animals of his own. If he does, Lord help them. That, or I hope they eat his ass one night. (insert evil grin) I am so sorry that some of you had to witness this...I would never be able to get that vision out of my head! Extra prayers tonight, that she is able to recover from her trauma.
 

Roansdad

Well-Known Member
And that's the worse of it. The physical will heal but the emotional will be in deep. Ecspecially for a dog that I already facing challenges. I'm shocked that in that setting no one did actually react on him.
Please keep us posted
 

YouKnowMeNot

Active Member
I don't understand why people here blame the leashes. Irresponsible people will be irresponsible no matter what type of leash they use. Someone even went as far as suggesting a ban?!:nono: Why do you want normal people punished because of some irresponsible idiots? That's the same thinking that got several breeds banned all around the world. A few weeks ago my dog was attacked by a pitbull. I kicked him to push him away from my dog and the only reason I didn't dismantle his stupid 18 year old owner was because I was busy holding my own dog. The punk didn't even have the courage to say "sorry". All he mumbled was "I don't know whats up with him today". And the pit was in a normal leather leash. Accidents are bound to happen as long as there are irresponsible owners. Sure, banning the flexi leash may decrease the number of accidents, but whats next - should we force all big dogs to be muzzled even if they are on leashes? This will decrease accidents as well, but it's wrong. Good people and their dogs don't deserve to suffer because of irresponsible morons.

I agree this whole accident must have been extremely ugly. As a city dog owner, I've seen my plenty share of ugliness. It made me hate people as well. An 80 year old lady threatened me to poison my dog once. :mad: I still don't know how I managed to keep my cool and not punch out the 5 teeth she had left in her mouth. People just don't understand that our dogs are like siblings to us. I often tell people that they shouldn't fear my dog, but me. I don't have a family and I'm not buying a dog to protect me. I bought a friend, whose protector is ME. People just don't get it.
 

ruby55

Well-Known Member
Here's the scene; This monster ran up, kicked Ally repeatedly in the sides, while Cheryl(the handler) was trying to pull her away from him. He followed them. Ally went into pancake mode on the first kick, according to Cheryl, so Cheryl had to drag this 80 lb dead weight dog away from the man. He followed; grabbed Ally around the neck, picked her up by her neck, straddled her, & proceeded to punch her repeatedly in the face. He ended up facing away from Cheryl, who ran to them, grabbed Ally by her hips which were between this guy's legs, & tried to pull her away, screaming "She's old & blind! Let her go!" This guy never stopped punching Ally but said "If you can't control your dog I will." By then the techs from the shelter & a few people in the crowd recovered from the shock of seeing this, & tried prying this guy's arm away from Ally. They said it was almost like he came to his senses, dropped Ally, & walked off saying something about his gun.
It seems like he thought Ally was one of those horrible monster PIT BULLS (eye roll) that eat children & small animals (get the sarcasm?), & for his own twisted personal reasons, had to teach poor old Ally a lesson. She WAS in her zebra costume, so all he saw was an 80 lb. brindle dog who had gotten in a fight with a little poodle. I'm just so disgusted that someone like that could have made it a point to attend a function where there were dogs of every size & shape EVERYWHERE. And when he & the woman he was with walked off, they didn't have a dog with them.
A friend of ours said "Can you imagine what his wife/girlfriend/significant other has to deal with every day?"
As for blaming the flexi lead instead of the owner, & the proposal to ban them, the owner of the poodle was not paying any attention to what her dog was doing. When dogs are on flexis they can inch out that lead, & when their owners are like this one, they get way out beyond the reach of the owner. The leads are usually very fine, & can get wrapped around fingers, legs, etc. & do a great deal of damage. In my experience, flexi lead users just don't react & pull in the leash like they would with a regular leash. On the rare occasions our dogs are at the end of their 6 ft leash, if I want them back quickly I grab the leash with my other hand & drag them in while I walk up to them. Flexi lead owners never seem to think of that. So they don't have the control they should. Flexis are banned at AKC functions if you read the rule book, although many people still use them when they're walking their dogs outside the building or ringside.
On another note, I give Cheryl every bit of credit I can. She got Ally down on the ground when Ally had the poodle so Ally couldn't shake the poodle & do more damage; she screamed for help & tried her very best to get Ally away from the man. I've been in violent situations before; it's easy when everything's over to say "you should have done this", or "you could have done that". But unless you're in the thick of it, hind sight is only 20/20 vision. It doesn't do a damned thing for the moment.
And I still maintain that if Luann & I were just a few minutes faster getting there, we probably would have been in jail, & that man would have been in pieces. But Ally would not be sore today.
And that, my friend, is not bluster.
 
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moonglow

Well-Known Member
Here is an interesting article on the dangers of improper use of a Flexi leash (burns, cutting to the bone, amputation). I'm all for people who know how to use them properly, it's just when people who have no control over their dogs use them that they become a dangerous weapon/hazard.

http://news.consumerreports.org/safety/2009/03/retractable-leashes-pose-problems-for-people-and-their-pets.html

P.S. I hope Ally feels better soon, she looks so cute in her zebra costume I can't believe she was assaulted by that unstable man.
 

allsierra123

Well-Known Member
I dunno violence always begets violence. Say you start swinging which escalates the situation. Which in turn agitated the unstable man more. Thankfully he didn't have a gun. He may have opened fire. A potentially catastrophic situation was avoided. It's a horrible thing but you all are lucky. That Is the kind of person that opens fire into a crowd of people to make a point. Best thing to do in that situation is to try to contain the threat with out escalating it to the next level. Which again is easier said than done. I'm just glad no one was seriously hurt or worse.

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YouKnowMeNot

Active Member
ruby55, the leashes have a lock mechanism. Just lock the leash and your dog won't go anywhere. When in crowded places or near streets with traffic, you shouldn't let your dog wander too far. It's good that they take precautions at events featuring lots of dogs and people. It's one thing to be banned there, another to be banned everywhere and for everyone.

moonglow, that was a funny and sad article at the same time. Funny because some people end up with missing fingers during simple walks with their dogs. And sad because they blame the leash for that. Or was it the other way around? :( Life is tough. The strong and smart survive. The rest end up with face to the ground, dragged by their dogs. Seriously tho, walking a dog is not rocket science. But I agree with you - these leashes can be dangerous in the wrong hands. And so can be pitbulls. So can be any mastiff dog. I say: ban the idiots instead! :)
 

Smokeycat

Well-Known Member
ruby55, the leashes have a lock mechanism. Just lock the leash and your dog won't go anywhere. When in crowded places or near streets with traffic, you shouldn't let your dog wander too far.

That's exactly how that type of leash SHOULD be used. The problem is way too many people do let their dog wonder while they are on one since they are 'still on leash' and 'he loves everyone'.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Personally I believe a standard cotton lead should have suffice, I mean really does you dog really need to wander around in a crowded area????? More over you don't have any type of CONTROL with a flexi if the dog pulls the handle and you lose your grip your pretty much SOL.
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
They have a lock mechanism but very few people actually use them. Used correctly flexi's definitely have their purpose, but with the people who don't use it correctly it's just an excuse for their laziness. I've seen numerous incidents involving flexi leads and many either had catastrophic consequences or came very close to it. I hope Ally is okay.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
ruby55, the leashes have a lock mechanism. Just lock the leash and your dog won't go anywhere. When in crowded places or near streets with traffic, you shouldn't let your dog wander too far. It's good that they take precautions at events featuring lots of dogs and people. It's one thing to be banned there, another to be banned everywhere and for everyone.


If people USED the lock mechanism they'd be MUCH less of a problem. But they don't. Never mind that a large number of the leash laws out there state that the leash shouldn't be more than 6ft and alot of flexi's are longer than that, AND people allow the dogs out to the full length. Oh I agree the problem is the idiot holding the leash not the leash itself, but that doesn't change my opinion of flexi's in the hands of many people either. I wouldn't want to see a legal-by-the-government ban, but I have NO problem with individual functions banning them (they can ban dogs entirely except for service dogs, so why not?).
 

Barrowmedic

Well-Known Member
It's terrible to hear such a story,,,,,Brits are know for there love of dogs albeit there's bad apples everywhere, but I could pretty much gaureente that this prat would have lasted all of a few seconds before A servere beating commenced, I've personally got several Middle East tours under my belt, and have more anger in me for this kind of Moran than any insurgent I could think of, I'm a 220lb big breed that would have been on a frenzy that day!!!! Total muppet, bless her.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Even with a locking mechanism you still have no control, compared to regular lead.
Can't agree more.
Flexi leads are dangerous IMO, to other dogs and the dog wearing them. There is no real control. Unless you have total voice control over your dog, realing in a 140 lb animal is not going to happen. I can see the use of them as training tools, but not for walking. I would love to see a ban of them. The large majority of issues I have witnessed are caused by a dog on a flexi lead. Also, do to the size and weight of the handle, when in locked mode, goes flying out of owners hands when dogs unexpectedly bolt or lunge.
 

raechiemay

Well-Known Member
Ok so just asking this out of curiosity, please don't take this as me starting a fight.

Which leash would you guys, the ones that are completely anti-flexi, recommend for a 5 lb dog that must wear a harness on walks due to pressure on her neck causing her to gag, choke & go into rages where she reverse sneezes so bad you'd swear she's going to die. A collar of any type that goes around her neck is just not acceptable on walks. A 6 ft thin lead almost always causes the same reaction as there are times on a walk that she will pull. She does not know a heel command HOWEVER, she will hang back & come directly to my side when she sees another dog or person approach. That's something she's always done, I just praised the behavior as she was never running up to other people/dogs to check them out. Whenever she's on a flexi it's like she knows. She knows not to stretch to the end of the line unless I allow her to & unless there are not other dogs or people within range. Overall we have less breathing issues while on a flexi & I'd like to keep it that way. And I really don't take her on too many walks anyway. Duchess stays on a regular 4 or 6 ft lead.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Not to be offensive or an ass, but my suggestion to you is a training class.
If you can use a flexi lead on her then you can use a regular lead with the harness.
The reaction that she makes when on a lead is a learned behavior as she gets what she gets away with. It is a temper tantrum. If there is no pressure on her neck and she actually has a collapsed trachea then the harness should not affect that.
 

raechiemay

Well-Known Member
Oh I don't take offense Cody, I figured it was a tantrum. She is a pretty big brat ya know! It's just weird to me that she can distinguish the weight between one leash & the other.
 

ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
Oh I don't take offense Cody, I figured it was a tantrum. She is a pretty big brat ya know! It's just weird to me that she can distinguish the weight between one leash & the other.

There are some extreamly light weight leads out there. I'd start witht one of those. But honestly, the unless you have the flexi locked she IS feeling pressure from it.