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AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
Let's get this thread back on track.

Here's what I'm bringing to the table. Anyone wanna step up? Huh punks??!

pomeranian2.jpg
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
Cool, are they sled dogs?

Of course, all our dogs are trained to pull sleds. Big problem with little dogs in Canada is their height...we always lose a few dozen a year when they slip through the snow...never to be seen again. You know, because we have so much snow that it is past most animals heads.
 

AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
You forgot to mention that you live in an Igloo too. :)
(And we get all those comments as well)
 

Daisy Jo

Active Member
AKBull--- Hahaha! Hilarious! The picture with your comment 'huh punks??!' nearly made me spit out my coffee! I've known some Poms, and while some are sweet...pound for pound, some might actually be more ferocious than the big dogs, froo-froo matchy outfits and all!
 
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dogman#1

Well-Known Member
Hey guys, I've been reading this stuff and felt I should reply...all kidding aside though. Yes, anyone can pick up any dog breed in the world and put it to fight but to what end? The point of fighting a dog is to test it's gameness against another dog, to earn money and to get your name out there...who would take a bull mastiff DA or not and bring that to a dog fight? What would that do? the dog will lose, yoi look like a chump, lost money and you have to carry that huge thing out of there...again what would the point be? when ever they bust up a dog fighting operation what breeds do they get out of there? sharpeis? rottis? mutts?....no, they find APBTs and nothing else. Anyway, not posting to start a flame war just to state the obvious.
 

Bantu

Banned
Hey guys, I've been reading this stuff and felt I should reply...all kidding aside though. Yes, anyone can pick up any dog breed in the world and put it to fight but to what end? The point of fighting a dog is to test it's gameness against another dog, to earn money and to get your name out there...who would take a bull mastiff DA or not and bring that to a dog fight? What would that do? the dog will lose, yoi look like a chump, lost money and you have to carry that huge thing out of there...again what would the point be? when ever they bust up a dog fighting operation what breeds do they get out of there? sharpeis? rottis? mutts?....no, they find APBTs and nothing else. Anyway, not posting to start a flame war just to state the obvious.
thank you dogman. I've always laughed at breeders with anything but an apbt that put a "no dogs sold for illegal purposes" disclaimer on their site. I think some actually want to believe their dog could be used for fighting even if they dislike the concept. But really people are quite uneducated when it comes to the subject.
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
Hi Dogman. I agree with you that APBT is the dog of choice for dog fighting, however, traditionally, a lot of different breeds have been used and it really depends on where you are. In North America, yes, APBT is a popular choice. I have also heard of an Akita mix being a popular choice in some areas. In South America, they use the APBT but they also use the Fila Brasileiro and Dogo Argentino. Australia has seen the Presa Canario be used and in Russia they often use Wolfhounds. Spain uses Presa Canario as well. So there are many different breeds used in dog fighting, which is horrific and needs to stop.

Most people were talking about bait dogs. It doesn't matter what breed a bait dog is since the main role of a bait dog is to train the dog and test his fighting instinct. They also use wild animals, puppies, kittens, rabbits...and the list goes on. The role of the bait animal is simply to be mauled to death and many times, the idiots training them will make it so the bait animal cannot fight back.

All of this is a mute point and really it doesn't matter if it is a APBT or something else, dog fighting is disgusting and it really needs to be stopped.

Hopefully this thread can be closed because we all agree that dog fighting is unethical, needs to stop and continues to hurt countless dogs for no reason other than some moron wants to win some money. Fighting about the breed of choice is just silly at this point, especially when Bantu is just being obtuse and discussing it further will just give him more opportunity to be so.

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Oh, by the way AKBull, I love your avatar as well.
 

AKBull

Super Moderator
Staff member
Most people were talking about bait dogs. It doesn't matter what breed a bait dog is since the main role of a bait dog is to train the dog and test his fighting instinct.
This.

And thanks for the av love you all! :) Junior does the modeling, we just snap the pic. ;)
 

Bantu

Banned
Hi Dogman. I agree with you that APBT is the dog of choice for dog fighting, however, traditionally, a lot of different breeds have been used and it really depends on where you are. In North America, yes, APBT is a popular choice. I have also heard of an Akita mix being a popular choice in some areas. In South America, they use the APBT but they also use the Fila Brasileiro and Dogo Argentino. Australia has seen the Presa Canario be used and in Russia they often use Wolfhounds. Spain uses Presa Canario as well. So there are many different breeds used in dog fighting, which is horrific and needs to stop.

Most people were talking about bait dogs. It doesn't matter what breed a bait dog is since the main role of a bait dog is to train the dog and test his fighting instinct. They also use wild animals, puppies, kittens, rabbits...and the list goes on. The role of the bait animal is simply to be mauled to death and many times, the idiots training them will make it so the bait animal cannot fight back.

All of this is a mute point and really it doesn't matter if it is a APBT or something else, dog fighting is disgusting and it really needs to be stopped.

Hopefully this thread can be closed because we all agree that dog fighting is unethical, needs to stop and continues to hurt countless dogs for no reason other than some moron wants to win some money. Fighting about the breed of choice is just silly at this point, especially when Bantu is just being obtuse and discussing it further will just give him more opportunity to be so.

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Oh, by the way AKBull, I love your avatar as well.

I don't dogman needs a lesson on dogfighting and the breeds used in OTHER LANDS. You forgot to mention the malakli and Turkish kangal, oh and the bully kutta. But other lands is a moot point (not mute). Bait may be other breeds now and then but look for these to be strays not your mastiffs. Again you don't get it.

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This.

And thanks for the av love you all! :) Junior does the modeling, we just snap the pic. ;)

Not this. No true dogman will ever test his dog against a dog thats twice its size. So no your mastiffs are safe. You can all rest easy.
 

Bantu

Banned
This.

And thanks for the av love you all! :) Junior does the modeling, we just snap the pic. ;)

Not this. No true dogman will ever test his dog against a dog thats twice its size. So no your mastiffs are safe. You can all rest easy.

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This.

And thanks for the av love you all! :) Junior does the modeling, we just snap the pic. ;)

Not this. No true dogman will ever test his dog against a dog thats twice its size. So no your mastiffs are safe. You can all rest easy.
 

Bantu

Banned
This.

And thanks for the av love you all! :) Junior does the modeling, we just snap the pic. ;)

Not this. No true dogman will ever test his dog against a dog thats twice its size. So no your mastiffs are safe. You can all rest easy.
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
I don't dogman needs a lesson on dogfighting and the breeds used in OTHER LANDS. You forgot to mention the malakli and Turkish kangal, oh and the bully kutta. But other lands is a moot point (not mute). Bait may be other breeds now and then but look for these to be strays not your mastiffs. Again you don't get it.

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Not this. No true dogman will ever test his dog against a dog thats twice its size. So no your mastiffs are safe. You can all rest easy.

Oh no, I did mean mute, as in most of us mute Bantu at this point. :p Also, you know nothing Bantu. With bait dogs they tape the muzzles shut, file teeth, file nails and let the dog attack it. Also, knowing what other countries use is important because not everyone on this forum is from the USA. It's a great big world out there Bantu and you do no one any favors by being ignorant of it.
 

Murray

Well-Known Member
Right because mastiffs are used for dog fighting?? People are so naive, there's only one breed in the dog fighting world.

Maybe I totally misunderstood this quote and topic so don’t stone me for my remark. But to me it doesn’t matter the breed, the size, the age, the sex, the color of any and all dogs if not trained, disciplined and mannered properly they can be "aggressive". It doesn’t mean they are used for fighting it just means bad parenting. I am now and ALWAYS have been a firm believer it is not the breed it is the deed. I have seen some amazingly calm and well behaved pit bulls and yet there is a huge perception out there about them. I have heard some horror stories of aggression about this breed but yet I have ppl very very close to me that have pit bulls and they are most adorable and sweetest babies I know.

I have never had the thought process ever that any breed is more aggressive than another. It is all about what they are taught and how the dog is trained and raised. There are ankle biters out there that have done more damage then my 200lb Mastiff. All because of the owner and the lack of structure. I have seen some aggressive Mastiff’s also but not because they were born that way…. but raised that way.
When you pull into a driveway and the dog is secured with a chain that weights more then I do (00lbs) and I am told stay back he might attack. And as the dog is barking at me the owner comes out and punches him in the head to shut up… tell me that dog hasn’t been subjected to improper caring and that there isn’t some type of aggression instilled in that poor baby.

I am a perfect example of what can happen when a dog is mistreated. I have said it before Murray was a very badly damaged Mastiff when I got him and with proper care and love and training he now has structure and is a 200lb marshmallow. So my point it is that ANY breed of shape, size, color, sex can be aggressive when not properly cared for. It is NOT the dogs’ fault it is the OWNER. I disagree with your statement that there is only one breed in the dog fighting world. There is a lot more then that unfortunately, we only hear more about the “one†everyone speaks of more then the others. And it all boils down to the owner.

There was a story in our local paper not too long ago about a man who was walking his pit-bull and decided he had to relieve himself so he decided to do it on a mans front yard. When the man came out and told the man to “move along†the man relieving himself said “f**k off I will let my dog after you†and after a bit of arguing back and forth the young man let his dog go and told it to attack. Well the dog did attack but he didn’t attack the home owner. He attacked his own owner… that’s right the dog attacked his very own owner. The sad part about this is because of the breed the dog was immediately destroyed. The man was charged with what ever he was charged for and the dog was killed because of aggression and that’s exactly what the paper said because of the breed it was destroyed. So that man used his dog in an aggressive way. Was it the dogs fault NO. Did it deserve to die NO. This man took a life and in no time at all that same man will be walking down the street with another pit-bull. So it is because of ppl like that the breed gets the reputation it does. I agree that NO dog should be trained, and bred for fighting or aggression of any type. But correctly please if I am wrong aren’t there dogs that already born with the DNA to be a bit aggressive? And the owner with a little more encouragement makes that dog more over and above aggressive to the point where there is no turning back?
I am only posting my take on this by no means am I a professional on the topic nor do I have cold hard facts about what breed is used I am only stating from my personal experiences with pit-bulls that NOT all of them are fighting dogs. And there are breeds out there that are born without an ounce of mean in their bones but in the years to come they are the same dogs ripping each other apart in the ring.


Dog fighting bottom line is wrong, disgusting, needs to be stopped !!!
 

Bantu

Banned
Oh no, I did mean mute, as in most of us mute Bantu at this point. :p Also, you know nothing Bantu. With bait dogs they tape the muzzles shut, file teeth, file nails and let the dog attack it. Also, knowing what other countries use is important because not everyone on this forum is from the USA. It's a great big world out there Bantu and you do no one any favors by being ignorant of it.
Sure its happened I believe it, but its far from the norm. Again your on the media hype train. Your dog is named daisy, I know more about dogs than you Tia and all her parolees combined.