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Bantu

Banned
Watch out the dog fighters are going to get your mastiff! Really??? I doubt there's many here that are qualified to speak on the subject. It makes you sound naive when you do. I'll rephrase my previous statement,real dogmen only use one breed, real dog fighters want nothing to do with a mastiff. And yes Tosa's are used, in Japan! Which has nothing to do with dog fighting in the u.s.

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Yes, there is only one breed in the dog fighting world, :eek: just like anyone who would own a Lab/Staffie cross must be a drug dealer because the breed is used for retrieving drugs.:D I know, we should just make a list of the funny things Bantu says as I am sure he is here for comedic value. :p

So Canadians are all well versed on the ins and outs of dog fighting?? Even despite the fact you live sheltered on a frozen tundra?
 

Bantu

Banned
Yes, there is only one breed in the dog fighting world, :eek: just like anyone who would own a Lab/Staffie cross must be a drug dealer because the breed is used for retrieving drugs.:D I know, we should just make a list of the funny things Bantu says as I am sure he is here for comedic value. :p

So Canadians are all well versed on the ins and outs of dog fighting?? Even despite the fact you live sheltered on a frozen tundra?

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Yes, there is only one breed in the dog fighting world, :eek: just like anyone who would own a Lab/Staffie cross must be a drug dealer because the breed is used for retrieving drugs.:D I know, we should just make a list of the funny things Bantu says as I am sure he is here for comedic value. :p

So Canadians are all well versed on the ins and outs of dog fighting?? Even despite the fact you live sheltered on a frozen tundra?
 

Bantu

Banned
Yes, there is only one breed in the dog fighting world, :eek: just like anyone who would own a Lab/Staffie cross must be a drug dealer because the breed is used for retrieving drugs.:D I know, we should just make a list of the funny things Bantu says as I am sure he is here for comedic value. :p

So Canadians are all well versed on the ins and outs of dog fighting?? Even despite the fact you live sheltered on a frozen tundra?
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
So Canadians are all well versed on the ins and outs of dog fighting?? Even despite the fact you live sheltered on a frozen tundra?

Yes, and I often play with Polar Bears in the backyard. The orcas breaking through the ice is a bit much at times but hey, you learn to live with it in the cold, white North. :D

Unlike you, I do know they use more than one type of breed and have for centuries. Sharpei were used quite a bit, bulldogs were used but they lacked the tenacity of the terrier, which is why they bred the terrier to the bulldog to create the bull terrie (originally known as the Bull and Terrier) and then many other fighting breeds from there.

But...anyway...thanks for the laugh Bantu. I love when people say Canadians live on the tundra because it really does make them seem foolish and does nothing to make me feel bad about where I am from. ;)
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Yes, and I often play with Polar Bears in the backyard. The orcas breaking through the ice is a bit much at times but hey, you learn to live with it in the cold, white North. :D

Unlike you, I do know they use more than one type of breed and have for centuries. Sharpei were used quite a bit, bulldogs were used but they lacked the tenacity of the terrier, which is why they bred the terrier to the bulldog to create the bull terrie (originally known as the Bull and Terrier) and then many other fighting breeds from there.

But...anyway...thanks for the laugh Bantu. I love when people say Canadians live on the tundra because it really does make them seem foolish and does nothing to make me feel bad about where I am from. ;)

Eh? common now...we know about beer and hockey as well ;D
Gotta go get my toque and attach the Corso to the dog sled to go ice fishin'...
 

Bantu

Banned
Oh so they are still using sharpeis for dog fighting?? Go tell that to the game dog board. Theyll get a laugh. And thanks for the dog fancy snippet on the bull and terrier. Sharpeis may have been used at one time here and there but this is mostly a myth. One more time...no real dog man will use anything but the apbt.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Oh so they are still using sharpeis for dog fighting?? Go tell that to the game dog board. Theyll get a laugh. And thanks for the dog fancy snippet on the bull and terrier. Sharpeis may have been used at one time here and there but this is mostly a myth. One more time...no real dog man will use anything but the apbt.

No real MAN would fight dogs period.
There are MANY breeds besides APBT that are used for bait dogs in fighting.
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
No real MAN would fight dogs period.
There are MANY breeds besides APBT that are used for bait dogs in fighting.

Exactly what I was thinking Cody. And I agree, bait dogs are different than the fighting dogs and they use different breeds for that.
 

tyhatts

Well-Known Member
hmm.... I use Puggles in the ring. They are the best for fighting.... right Bantu ?

P.S.......Bantu, your a douche ! haha
 

bonesnsasha

Well-Known Member
ACTUALLY a lot of mutts and inbred dogs are used in a fight ring... Considering they are trying to improve the fights rotties are pretty commonly used along with a couple other breeds. They don't just fight dogs to watch it's for the money you make a bet say your dogs going to win they don't care what kind of dog it is. Just saying.. Bullys have a bad rep because of people like you who only watch tv and the news and those are the only one anyone ever cares about because who would really care to hear about a pomeranian fight ring! Just because Vic had pitbulls (most of which were inbred and looked like mutts still cute!) doesn't mean theres only one type of dog people think to use for fighting. The bigger the dog's head the harder the bite which is why people are using different breeds and cross breeding dogs. By the way completely against dog fighting. I just hate that people always assume pitbulls are the only dogs they use for it. I could list multiple breeds I've seen come from rescues up in chicago and other cities that are not pitbulls but were used for fighting. I've also done about 3 research papers and very extensive research for them for a couple of my classes on the dog fighting world so learn before you speak.. or type as the case may be!
 

bonesnsasha

Well-Known Member
hahaha that's great! Oh wait we better take their booties off first! "OMG are those are too cute!?" lol from dog fight to fashion show off!
 

Bantu

Banned
hahaha that's great! Oh wait we better take their booties off first! "OMG are those are too cute!?" lol from dog fight to fashion show off!

Yes I'm sure there's some idiot kids out there testing different breeds. But you completely missed the point.
 
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Vicki

Administrator
The foundation breed of the fighting dog was, in its outward appearance, a large, low, heavy breed with a powerful build and strongly developed head.

Dog breeding in its earliest stages was carried out systematically, with the desire for specialization. It is believed that the development of individual breeds took place in narrow geographic areas, corresponding to the performance required in these regions. Selection for performance, complemented by the breeding for suitable body forms, leads to the formation of breeds. The task of the fighting dog demanded specific basic anatomical traits and temperamental features. The foundation breed was naturally large, low-slung, heavy, powerfully built, with a strongly developed head and a powerful biting apparatus. The goal is to breed a dog that will attack animals but is docile and affectionate toward humans.
History

Dog fighting has been documented in the recorded history of many different cultures, and is presumed to have existed since the initial domestication of the species. Many breeds have been bred specifically for the strength, attitude, and physical features that would make them better fighting dogs.

Scholars speculate that large-scale human migration, development of trade, and gifts between royal courts of valuable fighting dogs facilitated the spread of fighting dog breeds. There are many accounts of military campaigns which utilized fighting dogs, as well as royal gifts in the form of large dogs.

Blood sports involving the baiting of animals has occurred since antiquity, most famously at the Coliseum in Rome during the reign of the Roman Empire. However, in contemporary times, it is most associated with the English, who pursued it with utmost earnestness, which was barely known elsewhere in the world. For over six hundred years the pastime flourished, reaching the peak of its popularity during the sixteenth century. The various animal types involved in the bait allowed for the breed specialization and basic anatomical forms of fighting dogs, which we see today.

Dog fighting has been popular in many countries throughout history and continues to be practiced both legally and illegally around the world.
Pakistan and Afghanistan

Although illegal, it is not always enforced due to lack of police activity, the most common breed used is known locally as the Bully Kutta. Other common breeds are Asian and Caucasian shepherd dogs
Japan

Kamakura period. According to historical documents, Hōjō Takatoki, the 14th shikken (shogun's regent) of the Kamakura shogunate was known to be obsessed with dog fighting, to the point where he allowed his samurai to pay taxes with dogs. At this time, dog fighting was called inuawase.

Dog fighting was considered a way for the Samurai to retain their aggressive edge during peaceful times. Several daimyo, such as Chosokabe Motochika and Yamauchi Yodo, both from Tosa Province (present-day Kochi Prefecture), were known to encourage dog fighting. Dog fighting was also popular in Akita Prefecture, which is the origin of the Akita breed.

Dog fighting evolved in Kochi to a form that is called Tōken (闘犬). Under modern rules, dogs fight in a fenced ring until one of the dogs barks, yelps, or loses the will to fight. Owners are allowed to throw in the towel, and matches are stopped if a doctor judges it is too dangerous. Draws usually occur when both dogs won't fight or both dogs fight until the time limit. There are various other rules, including one that specifies that a dog will lose if it attempts to copulate. Champion dogs are called yokozuna, as in sumo. With generic animal protection laws in place, dog fighting is not specifically banned in Japan, except in Tokyo, and can be seen in Kochi. Currently, most fighting dogs in Japan are Tosa, which is a breed that was developed in Kochi. Dog fighting does not have strong links to gambling in Japan.


Latin America

Dog fighting is widely practiced in much of Latin America, especially in Argentina, Peru and many parts of Brazil (where dog fights are illegal). The Dogo Argentino is by far the most common breed involved in the blood sport. The Fila Brasileiro is also used, but rarely. The American Pit Bull Terrier is another breed that is commonly involved in dog fighting circuits. The Dogo Cubano and dogo cordoba were used for fighting a century ago, but have become extinct.
United States

Dog fighting is illegal in all North American countries.

According to a study by the College of Law of the Michigan State University published in 2005, in the United States, dog fighting was once completely legal and was sanctioned and promoted during the colonial period (1600s through 1776) and continuing through the Victorian era in the late 19th century. However, by the early twentieth century, the brutality inherent in dog fighting was no longer tolerated by American society. It has become increasingly outlawed, a trend which has continued into the 21st century.

As of 2007, dog fighting is a felony in 48 states and a misdemeanor in Idaho and Wyoming. In most states, it is against the law (and often a felony) to even attend a dog fighting event, regardless of direct participation. According to authorities, dog fighting is increasingly practiced by gangs in low income areas of the United States, and is linked to other unlawful activities, such as gambling.

Despite legality issues, dogs are still commonly used for fighting purposes all across the continent. The American Pit Bull Terrier is the most popular breed used for fighting, but foreign breeds, such as the Dogo Argentino (used widely in South America) and Presa Canario (used in Spain) are also gaining popularity.


Russia

Although animal cruelty laws exist in Russia, dog fighting is widely practiced. Laws prohibiting dogfights have been passed in certain places, and in others dogfights are legally held under the supervision of the All-Russian Association of Russian Volkodavs. Temperament tests, which are a common and relatively mild form of dog fighting used for breeding purposes, are fairly commonplace.

The American pit bull terrier, Staffordshire bull terrier, English bull terriers, Asian and Caucasian shepherd dogs are the most common types of dogs used for dog fighting in Russia.
India

Dog fighting is widely practiced throughout rural India. Indian feudal lords take pride in putting their dogs against a rival's, or they make the dogs fight with bears. However, dog fighting is illegal as defined by Indian law. In addition, it is illegal to possess dog fighting materials such as videos, or to attend an event.


United Kingdom

During the time of Roman Britain, there were Pugnaces Britanniae or war dogs, mostly used in battle but later used for dog fighting contests in the amphitheatre. As early as 1154, in the reign of Henry II, bull-baiting and bear-baiting with dogs was a popular amusement.

Breeding allowed for a specialized breed in the form of the now extinct original Old English Bulldog. The contemporary recreation of the breed is called the Olde English Bulldogge.

The Cruelty to Animals Act 1835 in the United Kingdom was the first legislation in the world that made dog fighting illegal. Dog fighting is now illegal in all first world countries and many third world countries. However, dog fighting still occurs across the globe. To combat dog fighting the designation of so-called dangerous dog breeds, Breed Specific Legislation (BSL) has been passed.

Despite periodic dog-fight prosecutions, the illegal canine pit battles continued. Sporting journals of the 18th and 19th centuries depict the Black Country and London as the primary English dog fight centers of the period. Dog fighting was also practiced in many areas of Ireland.

The American Pit Bull Terrier and the Sporting Staffordshire Bull Terriers are the most often used breeds. Although English Bull Terrier and English Bull Terrier mixes have been used with some "success".

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Picture of Stormer one of the hardest hitting fighting dogs to come from the British Isles in the 20th century. Stormer was an English bull terrier * Staffordshire bull terrier battle cross.

http://www.game-bred.com/dog-fighting-breeds.htm
 

bonesnsasha

Well-Known Member
Did you get a little offended and have to call names ya know that is a human defence mechanism when they feel threatened? I mean ignorant would of at least been a better term considering saying someone is retarded implies they have a mental retardation which I in fact do not have. I also find that quite offensive considering I work with mentally retarded children and adults. Also, apparently you are the one who is in fact "ignorant" what do you have a little hand book that says no other dogs can be in dog fights but pitbulls or is it just that those are the only being displayed because they are the most popular?
 

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
ACTUALLY a lot of mutts and inbred dogs are used in a fight ring... Considering they are trying to improve the fights rotties are pretty commonly used along with a couple other breeds. They don't just fight dogs to watch it's for the money you make a bet say your dogs going to win they don't care what kind of dog it is. Just saying.. Bullys have a bad rep because of people like you who only watch tv and the news and those are the only one anyone ever cares about because who would really care to hear about a pomeranian fight ring! Just because Vic had pitbulls (most of which were inbred and looked like mutts still cute!) doesn't mean theres only one type of dog people think to use for fighting. The bigger the dog's head the harder the bite which is why people are using different breeds and cross breeding dogs. By the way completely against dog fighting. I just hate that people always assume pitbulls are the only dogs they use for it. I could list multiple breeds I've seen come from rescues up in chicago and other cities that are not pitbulls but were used for fighting. I've also done about 3 research papers and very extensive research for them for a couple of my classes on the dog fighting world so learn before you speak.. or type as the case may be!

We need a like button on here. I think Bantu is just being obtuse on purpose.
 

dpenning

Well-Known Member
Is it wrong for me to think this should happen? LOL ... sorry.

"And in this corner, sporting the fuzzy pink scarf and being carried in a purse, Feefee!" ... sorry again
LOL. My Pom is a girly girl pushover but my chihuahua is a tough little girl. :)
 

Bantu

Banned
LOL. My Pom is a girly girl pushover but my chihuahua is a tough little girl. :)
really i don't think other breeds should even be joked about. Dog fighting is cruel but the use of other breeds not bred for such is even more cruel.
 

bonesnsasha

Well-Known Member
See Bantu it was a joke haha have a little humor would you. It's very clear we were not serious what so ever. NOR did we ask for input and opinoin I think we all know dog fighting is cruel and very wrong you don't have to make a rude post about it or anything else when obviously we don't care to hear/read your "words of wisdom".