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Stubborn puppy "talking" back

JamieHalverson

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Lillie is now 9 weeks old, we got her at 7 1/2 weeks. She is in puppy K and I plan to continue with classes through who knows, hoping to title her in either obed or rally and some other sport. She comes from a very reputable breeder, who has fabulous dogs. I started teaching sits and downs, walking nicely, etc. with in a few days of bringing her home. We "ah ah" if she bites while playing and then offer her a toy. All is going very well, she is smart, playful and very sweet.. EXCEPT when you remover her from something she wants or wants to be doing!

We try not to physically remove her, rather call her or entice her with a toy, but there are times due to safety or frankly, to make it outside in time, that you just have to physically put your hands on a puppy and move her or pick her up. She really, really hates this. She will open mouth growl/snarl and continue to do so until you let go. Or she gives up.

I'm hoping that continuing with general training will help her grow out of this, and also just matter of factly dealing with her tantrums, like not giving in and quietly without fan fare or correction for growling, doing what needs to be done, with a kind of "hey chill out it's not a big deal and you're not in charge anyway" attitude, will help as well.

Our trainer taught us to hold the dog with it's back against your chest, a hand holding it on it's chest and apply comfortable pressure so you are basically "hugging" the puppy until it calms down and realizes that sometimes, it just doesn't have a choice but to be still, and you are in charge. I haven't made up my mind what I think about this, yet. The trainer suggested that if you don't do it now, you may have problems in the future when you have to restrain your dog for the vet, or whatever else may happen in life. Not sure if this will also help the above situation or if it's a good idea at all.

I have NOT had a bullmastiff puppy previously, I have owned Rottweilers and now an Am/Staff Mastiff X, who is easy as pie
:)

Is this pretty typical behavior and just a need to learn manners? I was expecting stubborn and headstrong, I was not expecting vicious growling:eek:
 

PrinceLorde13

Well-Known Member
Both of my dogs went through something very similar, my girl would freak with fear if you tried to wrap your arms around her or restrain her, and my male got aggressive about it like yours. I just took it as trust not being there yet. Instead of picking up at all I found just placing a hand on their butt and one on the opposite shoulder I could quickly guid them anywhere I wanted and within a couple months both were fine with me hugging them, picking them up, pretty much whatever I want to do they are good with and my male now comes up asking for hugs, I put my arms out he stands chest to chest with me and I wrap my arms around him and he just loves it and my girl is a total cuddle bug. I will add one thing though if anyone outside of my family tries to put their arms around my female she will buck like a horse to get away and my male well I don't let anyone try because he will take their face off, so I still feel it's a matter of trust and with most mastiffs it has to be earned and can take time. My male was still corrected, appropriately for a puppy, for showing aggression at anyone in my family and it only happened twice I think, but I also didn't force him to be restrained until he trusted me enough
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
Check out Stonnie Dennis on youtube. He has a number of puppy videos. They are excellent, excellent stuff.

I'll just post 1 video (part 4 - puppy handling). You can find the rest on his channel. This one is from his latest puppy series. I recommend watching the older ones too.

[video=youtube;TWiPKpwHKPw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiPKpwHKPw[/video]
 

JamieHalverson

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I think Stonnie is my new favorite person... HE should have a T.V. show, never mind a youtube channel!

So I started saving out a little bit of her food from each meal and sticking it in a pocket and using it to "free shape" some of her behaviors. It also seems to have helped a lot to stick a piece of kibble in front of her face when I do need to move her or pick her up, much like the video you posted. At least she doesn't think the world is ending because I'm taking her away from an electrical cord...
 

Hector

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I think Stonnie is my new favorite person... HE should have a T.V. show, never mind a youtube channel!

So I started saving out a little bit of her food from each meal and sticking it in a pocket and using it to "free shape" some of her behaviors. It also seems to have helped a lot to stick a piece of kibble in front of her face when I do need to move her or pick her up, much like the video you posted. At least she doesn't think the world is ending because I'm taking her away from an electrical cord...

*thumbs up*