Sire of my pup

[dogman#1]

holy crap! in those first pics I would have sworn it was just an awkward looking 6-8 month old puppy..... well the last pic is much better and the problems are still pretty much the same but at a much lesser degree. the top line looks much better

Chuck, any dog can have a V lip even if the breed as a whole is not supposed to that's why its called a fault/flaw etc. lets use a basset hound as an example...basset hound have long, low set ears, right? well lets say we saw one with a higher earset... out of standard, right? well we wouldnt say that that dog is mixed bred rest of it was a straight up basset hound. now lets say that same basset hound was otherwise awesome and the ears were the only thing that was wrong with it...should it be bred? sure as long as you got the right bitch.. now what if that same basset hound had high ear set, long fur, a cork screw tail but had an otherwise great low long body... should that dog be bred? HELL NO! is it because of the faults of bad breeding or is it because of mixed breeding? it is obvious mixed breeding at that point. What Im trying to say is that finding one or two right things doesnt make it a purebred dog just like finding 1 or 2 wrong things dont make it a mutt either... ofcourse it all depends on the severity ie; the dog has GSD ears or a st bernard tail, lol. it is always cumulative.

This is the main issue we have with the Fila Brasileiro here... yea his head looks like a lab, has high ears, round eyes, tight muzzle and a bushy tail but he acts like a fila and he has papers of a fila so it must be a fila.... no! at this point you have a mutt that may or may not be part fila.

 

[tojvan]

well I would take your pup over the sire if that say's anything. ahahaha

If Fila never had a V lip at all, where would it have come from in a dog that it was only a fault? And yes, thats a serious question. I mean I undertand poor parring. But where might it have come from in a pure dog to start

Thanks chuck my pup is going to be better than the sire in most aspects.

 

[tojvan]

holy crap! in those first pics I would have sworn it was just an awkward looking 6-8 month old puppy..... well the last pic is much better and the problems are still pretty much the same but at a much lesser degree. the top line looks much better

Chuck, any dog can have a V lip even if the breed as a whole is not supposed to that's why its called a fault/flaw etc. lets use a basset hound as an example...basset hound have long, low set ears, right? well lets say we saw one with a higher earset... out of standard, right? well we wouldnt say that that dog is mixed bred rest of it was a straight up basset hound. now lets say that same basset hound was otherwise awesome and the ears were the only thing that was wrong with it...should it be bred? sure as long as you got the right bitch.. now what if that same basset hound had high ear set, long fur, a cork screw tail but had an otherwise great low long body... should that dog be bred? HELL NO! is it because of the faults of bad breeding or is it because of mixed breeding? it is obvious mixed breeding at that point. What Im trying to say is that finding one or two right things doesnt make it a purebred dog just like finding 1 or 2 wrong things dont make it a mutt either... ofcourse it all depends on the severity ie; the dog has GSD ears or a st bernard tail, lol. it is always cumulative.

This is the main issue we have with the Fila Brasileiro here... yea his head looks like a lab, has high ears, round eyes, tight muzzle and a bushy tail but he acts like a fila and he has papers of a fila so it must be a fila.... no! at this point you have a mutt that may or may not be part fila.

Dogman thanks for the critique. My pup is almost 9.5 months and in these pictures he is about 9 months

 

[tojvan]

Here's one from the front

 

[aceoutdoor]

A photography class would do you some good.

 

[tojvan]

and here I thought I was a natural lol

 

[dogman#1]

yea, I agree it will be next to impossible to give any type of critique with those pics.

 

[tojvan]

Ill fix them my bad, I uploaded them straight from my phone.

 

[cinnamon roll]

How is your pups temperament?

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Its rude to ignore someone talking to you.

 

[chuckorlando]

ahahahahahahahahahaha. I say ignore them both. ahahahahaha

 

[Winterspring]

and here I thought I was a natural lol

Heh. So did I. I can't take a decent picture of Taurus to save my life. In some pics, he looks like a lab mix, and some he looks like...something else. Generic Mastiff Type B and the few I've met in person that actually know what a Fila is pegged him for it immediately.

And I do see dogman's point. In shows, there is "THE PERFECT ____". There are faults, serious faults, and disqualifications. Evidently, the lip is a minor fault. Dog A has 4 minor faults. Dog B has two serious faults. Dog C has 1 disqualification regarding a big white splotch on his back. Dogman could stand there and pick every fault out in the world on Dog A and it still won't matter because of the disqualification on Dog C. Dog A is a better example, even if C is otherwise perfect. He's not saying that because Dog A has a bunch of minor faults it's not a purebred. Nor is he saying that Dog C is not a purebred just because he came out funny. If there are 50 criteria that need to be met to make the perfect ____, and the dog in question only hits four of them, then it likely isn't a purebred animal. If the dog in question hits 30 of them, then it's probably just not a great example of the breed. If they hit 40-45 with no major faults, that is an incredibly good example. ("Perfect" is ridiculously rare in any animal that's shown regarding conformation.) He's comparing to the ideal. He could probably JUDGE at a CAFIB show and tell the handler of the best dog there that his dog is too ___, doesn't have ___, that the dog's ___ sucks, but since his dog is less suck than the other dogs, his dog wins. (Which, incidentally, they look for in judges. So. Y'know.)

That being said, CAFIB has its own strict standards, and CBKC/FCI seems to have slightly differing standards. (The black coat being Not Okay or Okay, respectively.)

I've noticed that it's kind of hard to get accurate critiques from pictures. I've asked a few of you (including dogman) to tell me a little something about my boy, and I've gotten answers where they say, "Oh, he has this thing going on with his head" and another person telling me that, in the same picture, that "thing" isn't there and something else was there that the other didn't see. And in either case, Taurus has his head on my leg, trying to dismember Daddy's with the wagging tail, with no sign of either observation in real life..

Really, the only way I think we can tell how well-bred the dog is, is if we're standing in front of him and molesting him to see the different angles.

I'm starting to think Filas are NOT the most photogenic of dogs. "Nice Bloodhound you have in that pic there!" "Um...he's not a Bloodhound." "Basset?" "Er...no." "Portuguese Water Spaniel-Husky mix?" "No." "What is he?" "South American Moose."

And yes, I'm curious about the temperament, too. Especially because I'm finding that mine is changing both bodily and in his personality drastically from month-to-month. Hell, sometimes even week-to-week. He was all over the vet with love the first time we saw her, and I had to take a couple of samples for her myself because he wouldn't let her in the same room with him the second time. And his body is changing drastically, too. What I once thought were cow hocks have straightened out, his snoot's broadening (and currently sporting a red lipstick smooch) and he's looking less...derpy. He's much more Mastiff-y than when I first joined the site. So I want to see if temperament develops as differently as the rest. In the end, you can have the Fila-y-est looking Fila that ever did Fila, but if their personalities aren't what they're supposed to be, then what does one have?

Besides a pile of drooling skin, hair and doof on the rug, I mean.

 

[dogman#1]

and yep.... its when the person's pride gets in there that you start seeing... "you're a racist", "you're a Nazi", "you don't know anything".. etc, etc. you always want to get the best pic up that most accurately depicts your dog as that is all we have to see.

 

[Winterspring]

In addition, I'd like to apologize to you, dogman, for getting defensive and not realizing when people are screwing around, and not recognizing that you aren't picking people's dogs apart or intentionally making them feel bad about them, you're a judge, or should start looking into it if not.

Pictures are crap. I maintain that the dog must be seen. Yeah, you can tell certain breeds and whether or not they suck a mile away, but there's no mistaking what they are. Filas seem to not be those kinds of dogs, because I've seen too, too many photos where yeah, this one has short ears and is a champion, and this one has a long snoot, and this one has a practically flat back, and that one's chest looks damn near like a greyhound's and they're all from one fancy-schmancy breeder or another. And apparently, these guys look drastically different when fully grown than when they're under 2 years. Got my boy in May, and it's August now, and he's damn near a different dog. His head is getting sort of ginormous, his gait is becoming much more pronounced, etc. But I'm not posting pics of him because I can't get a decent picture of this animal. In one pic he looks like what he is, and in the next he barely looks like a dog at all.

So no, tojvan. It's not you. It's them. They do it on purpose. Smartasses, the lot of them, v-lipped, u-lipped, or somewhere in between.

 

[tojvan]

How is your pups temperament?

I'm sorry for the late reply, I have a video of him showing temperament at 7 months so i was debating if I should upload it or not since I don't like to make claims without any evidence. I wanted you to see and be the judge. His temperament is great, with family hes very affectionate and is quiet wary of strangers. Again I apologise for the late reply.

 

[tojvan]

Its rude to ignore someone talking to you.

Duetsche your always a good sport, I apologize if I ignored you as that was not my intention.

 

[tojvan]

and yep.... its when the person's pride gets in there that you start seeing... "you're a racist", "you're a Nazi", "you don't know anything".. etc, etc. you always want to get the best pic up that most accurately depicts your dog as that is all we have to see.

What pride lol leave that at home, it'll only get in the way. Listen to what people have to say and use it to your advantage, get the full picture and make a sound decision.
Psst your still holding on to that, let it go bro its in the past it's not dogman VS non cafibs anymore. Nobody is calling anybody nazi or racist.
Lol I still have to fix those pictures, I'm being slow as fuck I'm doing it as soon as I wake up and done walking/feeding dogs.

 

[tojvan]

ahahahahahahahahahaha. I say ignore them both. ahahahahaha

Chuck trying to stir the pot I see!! Btw that guy trying to agitate kona would have been toast if it wasn't for the fence lol

 

[tojvan]

In addition, I'd like to apologize to you, dogman, for getting defensive and not realizing when people are screwing around, and not recognizing that you aren't picking people's dogs apart or intentionally making them feel bad about them, you're a judge, or should start looking into it if not.

Pictures are crap. I maintain that the dog must be seen. Yeah, you can tell certain breeds and whether or not they suck a mile away, but there's no mistaking what they are. Filas seem to not be those kinds of dogs, because I've seen too, too many photos where yeah, this one has short ears and is a champion, and this one has a long snoot, and this one has a practically flat back, and that one's chest looks damn near like a greyhound's and they're all from one fancy-schmancy breeder or another. And apparently, these guys look drastically different when fully grown than when they're under 2 years. Got my boy in May, and it's August now, and he's damn near a different dog. His head is getting sort of ginormous, his gait is becoming much more pronounced, etc. But I'm not posting pics of him because I can't get a decent picture of this animal. In one pic he looks like what he is, and in the next he barely looks like a dog at all.

So no, tojvan. It's not you. It's them. They do it on purpose. Smartasses, the lot of them, v-lipped, u-lipped, or somewhere in between.

The picture are perfect on my phone but for some reason when I uploaded them they turned out weird. My boy is a little pushover with me. I haven't seen a dog more immature or bratty than him but all I have to do is change the tone of my voice and he's all ears. Filas in general are one of the most if not the most handler sensitive dogs. Doesn't take much to get them to pay attention. That being said you have to be extremely careful you can easily do more harm than good.

 

[chuckorlando]

Oh he was not trying to agitate her. We had been standing there talking for about 30-45min. That was like the 10th time he bent down to let her smell him. I was trying to get a vid of her mean mugging him. She was just starring his ass down.Of coarse the one time I record it she bites. ahahahaha. Meeting my nephew was interesting to say the least. Did you see that on youtube? I dont think I posted them

Chuck trying to stir the pot I see!! Btw that guy trying to agitate kona would have been toast if it wasn't for the fence lol