Reseaching Pedigrees (regardless of breed)

[raechiemay]

Since babyjoe & I contributed to the highjacking of "Why not to support BYB" (oops!! ), I took her advice & started a thread for researching pedigrees. I know it is a lengthy process from what I experienced yesterday. So far I have found that most of Duchess' lineage have not been health tested with the exception of one great grandfather. I was able to find the breeder that has her grandfather on her mother's side & I am awaiting response on information about him. I'm not sure about posting links to that breeder's page so you guys can see pictures of him. Can I do that?

I also found a DNA test number for another great grandfather on her mother's side. Does anyone have any suggestions for me (us) &/or what all have you guys found when researching your pup's pedigree?

 

[babyjoemurphy]

Ha! You beat me too it lol!
Hubby came home early from work so I got side tracked.
@Jadotha- Sorry for messing up your BYB thread. But at the same time, it will help future owners to realize how important this stuff is IMO. Some my not even think you can do this before buying a pup from a breeder/BYB.

Being that Murphy's parents are American citizens I am looking at whole new lines from my previous searches from Ontario breeders. I found a pic of Murphys Uncle on Moms side and he is gorgeous! Even BYB's can be AKC/CKC, if they have pure breeds so that really opened my eyes again.
Well I was on OFA I started with one reg's number and then started looking at the list that came up from the original #. Offspring, half siblings etc of
Murphys family. I found he comes from a line of tests. Not all where but most had been.

One thing I have to ask is why do males get SIR in front of there names? Not all do. Is it just something a owner chooses to do?

 

[DennasMom]

Have you had luck going down the pedigree as well as up?
I would think looking at health certs of siblings, cousins, nices and nephews would also shed some light on things in the genetics.

Since we have a BYB pup, we can't get into this one - which may be a good thing. I already spend too much time on all things Mastiff. My boss (which is me, self-employed) is beginng to wonder what I do all day!

 

[raechiemay]

One thing I have to ask is why do males get SIR in front of there names? Not all do. Is it just something a owner chooses to do?

I noticed that too in Duchess' pedigree.

@Dennasmom, is Denna registered? I'm sure you can order a pedigree from whatever registry she is registered through. I did not file Duchess' AKC paperwork, don't think I will file anyway we didn't with our last EM, but her breeder did give me a copy of the litter certificate which is where I'm getting names to look up online. I'm not having very much luck, maybe her elders were all from hobby breeders but I'm hoping that whenever her grandfather's owner emails me back might shed a little light on my search. I've found several pups/dogs that have Macggarts Magnificent Mav as a grandfather or great grandfather but I'm sure with his status in 2004 he probably fathered & grandfathered quite a few litters.

 

[babyjoemurphy]

I have to pay the change of ownership with the CKC due to the fact Murphy is Microchip under his previous owners. I really don't want him going back to them if he was to get lost or stolen.

@ Dennasmom Even byb's produce pure breeds that are AKC/CKC registered. If your little ones parents or parent is registered you can start learning pedigree

still can't figure out SIR. Im gonna Google it

 

[raechiemay]

babyjoe, Duchess has 3 "Sir"s in her lineage. One grandfather on her dad's side & 2 great grandfathers on both sides. Grandfather is "Sir Sandy Hank" & great grandfathers are "Sir Walter's Hank" & "Sir William II".

 

[Jadotha]

@babyjoe

@Jadotha- Sorry for messing up your BYB thread. But at the same time, it will help future owners to realize how important this stuff is IMO. Some my not even think you can do this before buying a pup from a breeder/BYB.

No worries, and I agree!

Re: 'Sir'. "Sir" doesn't have any significance in pedigrees. It is just a component of a registered name the owner chose. Our IWH, Ike's registered name is ' Sir Ike Centurion', which has got to be one of the stupidest names ever. Similarly many female dogs are named 'Lady whatever'.

@ Dennasmom

As Rachiemay said, just because your pup came from a BYB, doesn't mean she can't be registered, if the breeder registered the litter. Most BYBs do have AKC/CKC registered dogs. (CKC -- Canadian Kennel Club is just as reputable as the AKC; CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register just about anything that moves). Both legitimate registries will register qualified dogs, regardless of quality, health testing or any other criteria. You should have received a copy of the litter registration and an application for registration from the breeder which indicates whether your pup is eligible for full, or limited registration. Full generally confers breeding rights and allows you to show in conformation classes. Limited allows you to compete in agility, and other competitions, but not conformation show. If your puppy is registered, you too can trace pedigrees, lol

 

[babyjoemurphy]

Ty Jadotha I had no luck googling "SIR". I figured it was a preference from the owner.

 

[dujac]

If your puppy is registered, you too can trace pedigrees

exactly how is that done?

 

[Jadotha]

@ Dujac

If your dog or puppy is registered, you go to the AKC website https://www.akc.org/index.cfm?nav_area=homepage. Up at the top of the page, click on 'Store". Then click on 'Pedigree'. Type in your dog's registered name and/or registry number. You can order an on-line four generation pedigree for $10.00, or a five generation for $12.00. These can be printed off. For a bit more you can buy a nice looking one.

 

[Cody]

Have you looked up English Mastiff pedigree database?
Not sure if there is one, I know for the CC there is. I have spent probably 100's of hours going through and looking at dogs.
Now in saying that, I know that not all pedigree's are accurate. It is very easy to "say" a certain male is the father on paper if one is serious about dogs then you need to look at the dogs, what they are producing what other dogs in the same lines have been producing and see if they match. For example, male 1 has produced x number of pups, their pups look like Y. Then all of a sudden male 1 has a litter and those pups and their off spring look NOTHING like pups Y, but closer to A, B or C... Chances are there was some creative breeding involved. Does that make any sense?

 

[Jadotha]

There is the Devine site http://devinefarm.net/dvf/, as well as several other data bases., that you can Google. Once I have a pedigree in hand, I also spend a lot of time on these sites looking for information and pictures. The main issue I have with using these as a primary source for pedigrees, is that the information presented is only as accurate as the data submitted. For example, a number of them come up with nothing when I searched for my pup (although I have a five generation pedigree from the AKC -- which with my research I have extended to ten. Hence, I found that for a breed such as the EM which has been mainstreamed for a very long with the AKC, UKC, Canadian KC, these are the easiest starting points for pedigrees. I think it is a very different story for CC's, Filas and breeds not yet recognised.

 

[ruthcatrin]

For anyone looking up TM pedigrees: http://tibetanmastiffinfo.com/pedigree/index.php. Its not perfect as the information is entered by the dog owners, but its an awesome resource.

 

[Cody]

Here is the CC link
http://www.canecorsopedigree.com/modules/animal/index.php

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I also have a template that I record all the dogs I am interested in and record information like health testing scores, titles, etc. that I keep in a binder for quick reference. LOL! The boyfriend laughs and says I spend more time researching my breed and males for matches then I ever did on my own relationships

 

[babyjoemurphy]

This is awesome guys thank you. And it will also be good when people come on stating they are looking to purchase a Mastiff. They can be directed to this thread as well as the BYB thread

 

[raechiemay]

This is awesome guys thank you. And it will also be good when people come on stating they are looking to purchase a Mastiff. They can be directed to this thread as well as the BYB thread

I was thinking the same thing. I will definitely refer to this thread & the information prior to purchasing my next EM. I would've joined in on the other thread about researching pedigrees but it seemed like it was more so directed towards DDBs. It's good to have the links for all the mastiff breeds here. thanks everyone!

 

[ruthcatrin]

Here's the OFA's search page: http://www.offa.org/search.html?btnSearch=Advanced+Search

and the current link to the AKC's registration search: http://classic.akc.org/store/reports/dog/search/dog_search.cfm?basic=yes

 

[Steinhelm]

Sigh, neither of Aksel's parents had health testing. When his lineage comes in I will check his grandparents...

 

[ruthcatrin]

good luck!