Recurrence of uti

[17061]

In December my male dog had sudden incontance and the vet said UTI.

December 2016 ph level was 7.5 urine had white blood cells in it and blood. Spotty to no voiding at all when he tried to go or all blood. He was put on antibiotics and it cleared it up.

February 2017 they did a urine test his urine had a PH 8, white blood cells in his culture, and blood again. He is having the symptoms of a uti thats why we went. Voiding a little bit at a time to not voiding at all and voiding blood which is the same as of dec2016.
The only thing new which I think is because of stress is he not eating only drinking. The vet told me to start him on prescription diet hill science urinary care c/d. So far he won't eat it or anything but the vet said that not his main concern.
Now this isn't my usual vet either.

But is there anything I can give Aries to help him heal and get better.
I hate to have him on this food not because of the price but he was on grain free food and now its changing and I hate to have to give him zyrtec the rest of his life for allergies. But I don't want him to have to have surgery unless its proven nessary which the another vet that was there was pressuring me for because he had 2 uti's. The did 2 xrays no stones noticed just gunk per my vet in December.
I don't want to lose my baby boy and I know its just a uti but this one vet today it was like she only wanted patients.
She was putting my dog food down which has good reviews 4health grain free.

Anyways would vitamin c help or cranberry supplements? If so which ones?
How about how to lower his ph level? I read that can help dissolve stones if any are present.
And no the did not to blood panel or xrays this time.

Thanks again

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[17061]

Also they told me me they aren't sure if he has stones or what kind this is the kind of stones mastiffs are prone to there why they are recommending the food

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[Hiraeth]

This sounds like a situation in which you need a second opinion from a vet you trust.

 

[scorning]

Sorry you are going through this. I had something similar go on with my Great Dane. He is an anxious dog that doesn't like to drink water or go to the bathroom in new places. He started having to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night so I took him to the vet and when they tested his urine his PH was high. They prescribed a short round of medication and it cleared up. I've had his urine checked twice more since his initial exam and his PH is on the high side of normal but continuing to drop. I agree that you should get a second opinion with a vet that you trust, and that this is something that you should keep an eye on.

Changing the diet isn't a bad idea, what do you feed now? My vet didn't recommend any special food, just asked what I was feeding and said it was high quality enough that I didn't have to worry about it. I feed Canidae Pure in the morning and raw at night.

Also, is there anything you can do the reduce the stress your dog is feeling?

 

[DennasMom]

Yeah, time for a new vet, I think...

We did have good luck with cranberry supplements for our cat - she had one UTI, and that was enough for us to never want her (or us) to go through that again. We also got her to drink more water by putting filtered water on her dry food (she was too messy to eat canned... it all ended up on the floor and not in her mouth). I still have some "cranberry wellness" on the shelf that Denna gets occasionally, too... since I have it. It's a dog & cat supplement form OnlyNaturalPet.

I would also make up some bone broth for him - that should be tasty enough for him to get more liquids in and help "flush" the urinary tract a bit - and also provide some vitamins and mineral support to the kidney systems.

You might also look into some kidney health issues - they should do blood work to look at kidney function. There are some herbs out there that are good at helping the kidney do it's job, too (many of which are in the same 'cranberry wellness' supplement).

Hope your pup feels better soon!!

 

[PippatheMastiff]

Yes. A vet who knows about giants. Stones can get so large if not surgically removed can do great damage, including death. We know how quickly a Mastiff can go downhill when they're sick. Saying a prayer that you find right vet and he's ok. Also, if he's still intact, it's recommended that they're neutered to stop the occurrence of stones. Cystinurea is possible as well. Good luck!


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[Boxergirl]

Yes. A vet who knows about giants. Stones can get so large if not surgically removed can do great damage, including death. We know how quickly a Mastiff can go downhill when they're sick. Saying a prayer that you find right vet and he's ok. Also, if he's still intact, it's recommended that they're neutered to stop the occurrence of stones. Cystinurea is possible as well. Good luck!


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I agree with this. I wondered about Cystinurea too.

 

[17061]

Sorry you are going through this. I had something similar go on with my Great Dane. He is an anxious dog that doesn't like to drink water or go to the bathroom in new places. He started having to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night so I took him to the vet and when they tested his urine his PH was high. They prescribed a short round of medication and it cleared up. I've had his urine checked twice more since his initial exam and his PH is on the high side of normal but continuing to drop. I agree that you should get a second opinion with a vet that you trust, and that this is something that you should keep an eye on.

Changing the diet isn't a bad idea, what do you feed now? My vet didn't recommend any special food, just asked what I was feeding and said it was high quality enough that I didn't have to worry about it. I feed Canidae Pure in the morning and raw at night.

Also, is there anything you can do the reduce the stress your dog is feeling?

I feed 4health grain free but just switch it in Dec. So I'm thinking of going back to whole hearted salmon. Yes he's on antibiotics and its a steady drop to very slow stream now. They want to Cath him if he isn't going better thurs or friday.

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[17061]

Yes. A vet who knows about giants. Stones can get so large if not surgically removed can do great damage, including death. We know how quickly a Mastiff can go downhill when they're sick. Saying a prayer that you find right vet and he's ok. Also, if he's still intact, it's recommended that they're neutered to stop the occurrence of stones. Cystinurea is possible as well. Good luck!


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Yes He was nuetured Sept and since then 2 uti's

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[Michele]

My dog kept getting UTIs. Eventually he had to have a stone removed. The problem was that I was feeding a high protein food. My vet put him on Royal Canin Urinary and I have not had a problem since.

 

[Elana P]

In December my male dog had sudden incontance and the vet said UTI.

December 2016 ph level was 7.5 urine had white blood cells in it and blood. Spotty to no voiding at all when he tried to go or all blood. He was put on antibiotics and it cleared it up.

February 2017 they did a urine test his urine had a PH 8, white blood cells in his culture, and blood again. He is having the symptoms of a uti thats why we went. Voiding a little bit at a time to not voiding at all and voiding blood which is the same as of dec2016.
The only thing new which I think is because of stress is he not eating only drinking. The vet told me to start him on prescription diet hill science urinary care c/d. So far he won't eat it or anything but the vet said that not his main concern.
Now this isn't my usual vet either.

But is there anything I can give Aries to help him heal and get better.
I hate to have him on this food not because of the price but he was on grain free food and now its changing and I hate to have to give him zyrtec the rest of his life for allergies. But I don't want him to have to have surgery unless its proven nessary which the another vet that was there was pressuring me for because he had 2 uti's. The did 2 xrays no stones noticed just gunk per my vet in December.
I don't want to lose my baby boy and I know its just a uti but this one vet today it was like she only wanted patients.
She was putting my dog food down which has good reviews 4health grain free.

Anyways would vitamin c help or cranberry supplements? If so which ones?
How about how to lower his ph level? I read that can help dissolve stones if any are present.
And no the did not to blood panel or xrays this time.

Thanks again

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Wondering how your pup is doing (?)

Have you had any news from the Vet?

 

[17061]

So he was to the vet and they did another xray and that was inconclusive seen what could be something or nothing. It was in his urethra track. He catharized him it took 3 tries but did get it done. He said there's something there but the test didmt show any crystals or stones. But his ph went from 8 to 6.5 in 5 days. But he still won't eat his Hills u/d prescription food .
We will do another urine test next week the vet said and I'm to not feed him any other food no matter how long he doesn't eat which I'm not happy about because the vet said if he's hungry he will eat the prescription food. I see the point I do.

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[Elana P]

So he was to the vet and they did another xray and that was inconclusive seen what could be something or nothing. It was in his urethra track. He catharized him it took 3 tries but did get it done. He said there's something there but the test didmt show any crystals or stones. But his ph went from 8 to 6.5 in 5 days. But he still won't eat his Hills u/d prescription food .
We will do another urine test next week the vet said and I'm to not feed him any other food no matter how long he doesn't eat which I'm not happy about because the vet said if he's hungry he will eat the prescription food. I see the point I do.

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Personally I'm not all that keen on Hill's....

Just found some old posts from another Forum which you may find of interest:


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"I have a stone forming dalmatian. He was given a urethrostomy some years ago and I have very carefully selected food for him ever since. His urine crystal count is virtually zero now and he’s in otherwise excellent health. We very much like his vet and, more importantly, he likes her very well also. But like virtually every veterinarian he has ever seen she is always trying to get us to buy the Hill’s Prescription Diet U/D. This is absolutely horrible food if you look at it’s ingredients, the worst being taurine preserved with BTA and BHA. These are carcinogens that have been banned from human foods for many years. Why are these vets always pushing Science Diet? Do they get kickbacks? I know our vet genuinely cares about our dog’s well being but pushing this food is a real head scratcher to me. It has zero meat protein in it and is full of all kinds of fillers, many known to trigger food allergies. Does anyone out there have a better handle on this?

February 18, 2015 at 8:15 pm #66987Report Abuse

M A
Member
Hi Tom,
I am unsure about the Hill’s Prescription and your vet (mine always prefers Royal Canin).
Just say that what you have is working and has been for awhile and you don’t want to change what’s working. Tell her thanks but you don’t want to mess with a system that is working.

February 18, 2015 at 9:03 pm #66989Report Abuse

Tom K
Member
Sound advice certainly but I am still absolutely confounded by why all these veterinarians push such an inferior product.

February 18, 2015 at 9:50 pm #66995Report Abuse

Dog_Obsessed
Member
Most vets have no or very minimal nutrition training. I don’t know whether or not they get kickbacks or not, but it’s certainly possible. In my opinion, for your case, if the other food is working, there is no reason to try the crap food. You can just politely explain that what you are doing seems to be working, and so you are not inclined to try the vet diet. By the way, what is she eating now?

February 18, 2015 at 9:54 pm #66998Report Abuse

Naturella
Member
Tom K, yes, veterinarians’ nutrition lessons in vet school are sponsored by Purina/Royal Canin/Science Diet. When they become practicing veterinarians, said companies begin “courting” them and offering them all kinds of perks and discounts, if they push and promote their sub-par products. This doesn’t mean that vets don’t care about the animals they serve. They have just been brainwashed by these companies since vet school and don’t know any better. Some holistic or just good vets do, but most don’t. So there you have it. That’s why. I second M A – just keep doing what you’re doing if it’s working.

Good luck!

February 18, 2015 at 10:19 pm #67005Report Abuse

Tom K
Member
This is what I have always suspected. The shame is a great many pet owners see their vets as the very best in advice for their pets, as it should be, but when it comes to nutrition they’re being a little dishonest if you ask me.

 

[17061]

Thanks Elena P and yea I didn't like the ingredients either. They told me I could take all foods back for a full refund even if opened all except a open can food.
I wish I could find someone that could advise me on what what to feed my baby to help dissolve stones or whatever he has and to keep him from getting uti. Yes a lot of water is supplied. I think I going to buy ph test strips and as soon as it gets a little high taking to the vet for antibiotics. I might even do apple cider vinegar a couple times a week too

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[DeeDee63]

Hi, I am new to the forum but do have a little experience with UTI's and stones. Did you know there are different types of stones (struvite, cystine, etc)? You are right, water intake is very important. We feed our dog "Urban Wolf" - it's great and assures plenty of water is included daily. The meat is cooked before adding, which takes care of my uncertainties about raw foods. This informative site has many articles on UTI's and stones, you can also ask a vet questions for free, and they offer kind assistance if you need help with financing. I used them once for my dog's torn ACL. They were great about answering my inquiries. Here's an article on stones: https://www.vetary.com/dog/condition/urinary-tract-kidney-stones-cystine . Good luck!