reasons for altering

Discussion in 'Health & Nutritional Care' started by maryl, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. teodora

    teodora Active Member

    I don't have a Tom cat but I do have an entire corso male and I can guarantee that I can keep him in the house AND on leash even if he definitely weights more than me. So, sorry, I don't buy the de sexing theory.
     
  2. Th0r

    Th0r Member

    Neutering does reduce sex drive related behaviour. But it's definitely not a fix for other behavioral issues!
     
  3. Smokeycat

    Smokeycat Well-Known Member

    I have owned a tom cat and he was great inside. I have also owned a queen (never bred) and I would own a tom again before I would ever own a queen. The behaviors that are problematic can be trained away even in cats, the worst I had was a fixed female. I've always owned multiple cats and the females are harder to handle than males regardless of being intact or altered.
     
  4. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    i assume your tom cat was an outside cat that was allowed in the house ? i have owned both also , the tom would spray in the house and look for any possible opening to get out ...... he'd get out and be gone for long periods of time , he got out one last time and was hit by a car ............what was the problem with the spayed female ? mine were completely great , they lived 19 and 17 yrs , the tom never saw 4 .......neither of my girlfriends tomcats seen 4 either , her moms 2 spayed females are both at least 10yrs ........ i guess we can just go off our own experiences .........

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  5. Hector

    Hector Well-Known Member

    Definitely eliminated my dog's sex drive, thank god. I haven't seen any of those damn obsessive behaviors ever since his neuter - none. He doesn't even care to mark in the yard anymore, just squats and pees.
     
  6. Smokeycat

    Smokeycat Well-Known Member

    The tom (Boots) was an indoor cat that did go out (spent more time inside than out). He only tried to spray inside the house once, he didn't like the reaction he got and never tried again. He disappeared while on I was on vacation when he was 10 but other than a broken leg was healthy his entire life. The only aggression he showed was his hatred of dogs, cats tended to keep their distance. Joy, the spayed female, would actively pursue and attack any animal that entered her territory (except for the cat that was raised with her), she was horrible about spraying and trying to get outside. She lived to 19.5 years and I was never able to train those behaviors away. The other two males I've owned were neutered and suffered from severe lack of confidence and one shared Boots' hatred of dogs (15 and 19 years old). My current cats are spayed females (6, 3, 2) and there is at least one cat fight a day, thankfully the instigator is quick to back off once the other one retaliates.
    The biggest thing I've learnt from training dogs after having trained cats is that there isn't really a comparison. Just as there isn't a way to compare their behaviors to each other. The base nature of the species is different, which affects how they interact with others. Add in personality differences and there is no way to accurately claim that since something worked for one it's going to work for and that includes sterilization.
     
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  7. Th0r

    Th0r Member

    Well my guy just got home from getting neutered....first thing he did was break the cone and now he's passed out snoring away!
     
  8. season

    season Active Member

    Nope


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  9. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    over the past 20+ yrs i've kept 3-8 intact dogs and bitches at any given time ...... i've neutered a couple and brought them back to the same exact situation they were in prior to being neutered ....... if you were to show me a study that says it doesn't change their behavior , i'd have to wonder what they did wrong to come to that conclusion ............
     
  10. Nik

    Nik Well-Known Member

    Yup Smokeycat! Agreed! Every male animal I have ever had (both cats and dogs) has been sweet, loving and shown zero aggression to anything or anyone. Maybe it's just luck. But, if that is the case I have had the opposite luck with my female animals because nearly every female animal I have had has been temperamental and aggressive and this applies whether altered or not. I hesitate to adopt female animals because I know the effort and work that goes into it is always more. Do I still do it and love them just the same? Sure thing, of course. I'm an animal lover and difficult doesn't mean bad, it just means I need to know what I'm jumping into. And of course I know I could end up with a male dog (or cat) with the same challenges. I could also win the lottery or get struck by lightening ... it just hasn't happened. Yet. I still have hopes for that lottery thing though (even though I don't buy tickets lol). :p :)
     
  11. maryl

    maryl Member

    Maybe people are getting things mixed up. Altering an animal after it is full grown will change his/her sexual behavior but will not change his/her temperament, who they are is who they are.
     
  12. season

    season Active Member




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  13. MrSmitty

    MrSmitty New Member

    Very good thoughts/opinions and information on this topic. My vet is recommending that I get my 6 month old male EM neutered now (which would also be cheaper because cost is reflective of weight!), but I have now decided to hold off until at least a year and a half. As long as there are no problems I guess I don't see the need to. His sister was just spayed last week though. I have a male, and my girlfriend has a female (sister).
     

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  14. Waffles

    Waffles New Member

    Hi There. A lot of good information.. I honestly just skimmed through most of it because I was actually looking for more information on altering a Female.. If I did miss something sorry about that.

    My Female Waffles just turned 2 years old Oct 3 actually . I was waiting like I've read, until she has matured to spay her. Well she is actually over a month late for her second heat so now it seems if I do decide to go through with it, it'll be much later than the ideal 18-24 month time- when ever it is her heat decides to come, I would still have to wait like 2 months after it ends to spay. Her last (and very first) heat ended March 1. She had a very noticeable heat, basically dripping every where if she wasn't wearing her diaper.


    I know how my girl is and she has very sensitive feelings. (if you all weren't dog people that probably would have sounded really crazy) She hates the vet as it is so putting her through the whole processes of spaying her I know would really freak her out and upset her. I just want to get more info before putting her through such an ordeal that cannot be reversed.

    Also, I love every single bit of her silly and sensitive personality. She is very sweet and definitely a giant kitty that loves to cuddle... so I worry that spaying her could alter her state of mind. Maybe scarring her for life emotionally, but also obviously other complications that can happen through the surgery and after. She also had incontinence during her heat which makes me worried that she could possibly get it permanently after being fixed. =\

    Does anybody have a female that they just never did spay? Besides having to deal with the heat itself, how is she, behavior, health, age? ect..?
    How about a late spay? Any complications ? Also any behavior or health issues?

    I'd love to read anyone's experience spaying their female. I'd appreciate the feedback.

    Thanks :)
     
  15. I had a Rat Terrier named Mijita (me-he-ta) I never spayed. She lived til 12 and was still very healthy and vibrant but died to an accident. She never had emotional issues. She was also very sensitive and loved to go to work with me in my automotive shop I had at the time. It was one bay connected to a gas station and there were constantly people in and out. She slept with me in my bed, but was also just as happy in her crate. I have her ashes on the mantle. I always thought she was the best dog I ever had, and I've had a lot. Until I got my first English Mastiff :)

    I've always been partial to female dogs. In my experience the worst problem with not spaying your dog is all the attention it gets from other dogs lol. And if you aren't vigilant accidental litters. You'd be surprised how adamant your Mastiff is about wanting to procreate.
     
  16. Yamizuma

    Yamizuma Active Member

    You might want to do some research on breast cancer risks and such, but if you're not worried about accidental litters and the heats aren't a problem...my uninformed view might be to let it ride until Waffles is at an age where an accidental litter would be dangerous to her, and do it before then.

    Tali didn't even register that anything much had happened when she went in.

    For vet fear, what we do is monthly take her there just to weigh her...and the counter staff adore her and love her and give her treats. And that way, going to the vet place that smells funny is more often good than bad and scary.


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  17. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Pyometra. I'm not so afraid of breast cancer, but pyo scares the crap out of me. Risk of pyo increases as the dog gets older.
     
  18. maryl

    maryl Member

    Pyo is a real concern. Any intact bitch that isn't being bred is just waiting to get it. I had a 2yr old that hadn't been bred yet that came down with it. Luckily it was open pyo and I was able to get her to the vet in time to get her spayed. I also had a 4yr old come down with it one yr. after she had a litter.
     
  19. Waffles

    Waffles New Member

    =\ Just looked up pyometra. Seems really scary. Waffles is with me basically 24/7. She comes to work with me so accidental litters really isn't an issue and the heat itself is manageable. The only problem I had was she had incontinence when she was in heat. I am really afraid that she will have it permanently if she is spayed.
     
  20. maryl

    maryl Member

    Some bitches are incontinent with their heats, usually due to itching and burning from the bleeding. It doesn't indicate that there will be a problem after a spay.
     

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