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Pedigree for my Pup's Sire.....is this a good line?

kshymkiw

Active Member
I am Spanish illiterate, and not 100% sure what all is being said in this. Is this a good line for a Fila?

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FYI, pictures of the Dog in Question. He is the Sire for our Fila Pup, we are getting at the end of July:

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kshymkiw

Active Member
FYI, pictures of the Dog in Question. He is the Sire for our Fila Pup, we are getting at the end of July:

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slim12

Well-Known Member
the dog is an import to eshabeta kennels in Washington state. The kennel owners name is Dawna Berg...i had a couple of eshabeta bred dogs years ago...usually big and thick....that male in the pic has a so-so stop...a rather high ear set...he looks heavy sitting down but could thin some standing or stacked...she owned a world champion some years back and that was her stake in the fila world...slim12
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
I have NEVER even heard of any of those kennels in the pedigree....this is not a good picture of the dog (hopefully) and a standing side shot and face forward pic would be helpful as well. if I had to go just on this pic i would pass.
 

slim12

Well-Known Member
the caudhilo stuff is from the southern part of brazil....the uruba stuff is out of mexico i believe....i will check later today....slim12
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
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the dog is an import to eshabeta kennels in Washington state. The kennel owners name is Dawna Berg...i had a couple of eshabeta bred dogs years ago...usually big and thick....that male in the pic has a so-so stop...a rather high ear set...he looks heavy sitting down but could thin some standing or stacked...she owned a world champion some years back and that was her stake in the fila world...slim12

Yes, that I know. That is where I have bought my puppy from, and he is the Sire of the puppy.
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
the dog is an import to eshabeta kennels in Washington state. The kennel owners name is Dawna Berg...i had a couple of eshabeta bred dogs years ago...usually big and thick....that male in the pic has a so-so stop...a rather high ear set...he looks heavy sitting down but could thin some standing or stacked...she owned a world champion some years back and that was her stake in the fila world...slim12

Yes, that I know. That is where I have bought my puppy from, and he is the Sire of the puppy. She has done a bit more for the Fila world, than owning a single World Champion dog.
 

slim12

Well-Known Member
she is a nice lady and she produces some nice dogs on occassion...but she is a commercial kennel...she breeds dogs for profit...and when she got Reno from Stormy she cashed in....the reno dog was a fair dog who had little to no temperament but he moved beautifully and he was handled by D. Roas who did a remarkable job with him....and then he became a cash cow....her dogs consistently have poor stops...high ear sets and longer than desired muzzles....heavy boned and square in presentation....with that said....the best fila i ever owned was 1/2 eshabeta...and she was ripped apart at every show we attended, she was laughed at during the working weekend in georgia, she failed her fila temperament test....but...she caught two feral hogs in a pen...then two wild boar in the pen...and then two hogs on a hunt...she ran one down from nearly a hundred yards....she defended our home and our property...she could be worked off lead with strangers in the area...she could be verbally controlled...she had the horrible eshabeta stop and high ear set...she had good angulation...she had a longer than the 1:1 muzzle...she was a butchy bitch....a masculine built 110lb. bitch....she was not a good looking fila by any means...but she was a heck of a dog...i believe she was far closer to the original filas than anything else i have experienced with these dogs...slim12
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
I really mean no offense here but that dog in the pic really is not a good representation of the breed. i am surprised that it was bred. Slim, your dog sounds awesome and I can see you loved it. If it was ripped apart by the judges, failed her "Fila" tt, wrong ear set, high stop, etc why would you say she was the closest example of a fila? She sounds like an AWESOME dog but maybe not a good fila.
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
I really mean no offense here but that dog in the pic really is not a good representation of the breed. i am surprised that it was bred. Slim, your dog sounds awesome and I can see you loved it. If it was ripped apart by the judges, failed her "Fila" tt, wrong ear set, high stop, etc why would you say she was the closest example of a fila? She sounds like an AWESOME dog but maybe not a good fila.

Why is it NOT a good example?

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she is a nice lady and she produces some nice dogs on occassion...but she is a commercial kennel...she breeds dogs for profit

I disagree with the last part. I would venture to put my money that she is more involved with the Fila Breed, than you are.
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
she is a nice lady and she produces some nice dogs on occassion...but she is a commercial kennel...she breeds dogs for profit

I disagree with the last part. I would venture to put my money that she is more involved with the Fila Breed, than you are.
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
ksh, she may be more involved then an actual pet owner as she is a breeder but she is somewhat detrimental to the breed. when you breed a dog that doesnt fit either standard snuggly then you are not doing anything good for the breed whether it is CAFIB or non CAFIB. Why is that dog NOT a good example...lets start at the head shall we? very abrupt stop, the angulation on the head is way off (snout and skull should be parallel), occiput bone is barely visible, ears are of high insertion and are too small, the expression in the face is wrong (more like an EM), too much loose skin on the face, eyes look too round... now down to the chest... looks very deep but too narrow (probably due to a short upper arm bone), top line looks fine, bottom line could use some help... this is not a dog that you would say is "fixable" by throwing a nice bitch to him..he is pet quality and should not have been bred especially by some one who claims they are all about the breed. Now have you happened to see a clip or at least a certificate of its temp? Now, I am not a judge and I admittingly do not have a "good eye". if you would like I can take these pictures, send them to a qualified person (judge) and see what he says. let me know.
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
ksh, she may be more involved then an actual pet owner as she is a breeder but she is somewhat detrimental to the breed. when you breed a dog that doesnt fit either standard snuggly then you are not doing anything good for the breed whether it is CAFIB or non CAFIB. Why is that dog NOT a good example...lets start at the head shall we? very abrupt stop, the angulation on the head is way off (snout and skull should be parallel), occiput bone is barely visible, ears are of high insertion and are too small, the expression in the face is wrong (more like an EM), too much loose skin on the face, eyes look too round... now down to the chest... looks very deep but too narrow (probably due to a short upper arm bone), top line looks fine, bottom line could use some help... this is not a dog that you would say is "fixable" by throwing a nice bitch to him..he is pet quality and should not have been bred especially by some one who claims they are all about the breed. Now have you happened to see a clip or at least a certificate of its temp? Now, I am not a judge and I admittingly do not have a "good eye". if you would like I can take these pictures, send them to a qualified person (judge) and see what he says. let me know.

You are more than welcome too. I agree the ears are shorter than I would have like to seen. The head/skull I agree doesn't have the best Fila Traits. Eyes I don't think are too round, I think they are very almond shaped (CBKC wording). Realistically it is a few faults in the Skull/Cranial Region, while the rest of him is pretty spot on.
 

Tiger12490

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I don't personally like its conformation now I'm no judge but the dog just doesn't look right... and its ears are getting me because that's such a big thing

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