Opinions on protective mastiffs

[Rugers-Kris]

LMAO! Indeed, Chuck! How frustrating to try to make someone understand that not every dog has to be a big marshmallow. :-/

Even if you had a dog that imply hates everyone, that dont mean it's a problem. Maybe I want my dog to bite your ass for no other reason than you jumped MY fence into MY yard. Your you slide through MY door into MY house. I mean any logical person owning such a dog would not allow it to simply roam the streets.

Actually you may be right. My dog eats at least 3 of the neighbors children a week and I make sure to take her by petsmart and the dog park for just random ass cheek bites on total strangers. My absolute favorite thing to do though is release her on children soccer games. Man when them rug rats get to running her agility really gets a chance to shine.

 

[chuckorlando]

The easy answer is yes. It is possible. Unless you have some very very motivating items like kilos of cocaine just the bark alone drives off most

 

[tb44]

Chuck my boys are really getting on my nerves can you bring kona over? Ps crocagator is here too

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Kris can you bring tiger too? My neighbor looked at me and I could really use a killing machine

 

[tb44]

Kris can you bring tiger too? My neighbor looked at me and I could really use a killing machine

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

After reading a few posts on what we think out Mastiffswould and would not do protection wise I thought I would share a smallexperience from this past Friday night, I would love to hear your thoughts onthis.

For those of you who don’t know me Mooshi is a Tibetan Mastiffbitch. 2yrs 7mths old. I would put her temperament in the medium category(others would say she is medium to hard). She has had no protection training whatsoever, has been socialized from8 weeks old, holds her Gold UK GC award and would be best described as aloofbut approachable and accepting to most…now I say most because this past Fridaynight my husband and I were out walking Mooshi and Bear (my Akita). The time was about 6.30 in the evening and itwas dark out, but we were walking on a main road with traffic and good lighting. Coming towards us was a man, he was notwobbling, slurring, talking to himself or showing any outward signs of beingintoxicated. He was not dressed in anyunusual either. Mooshi started barkingat this guy when he was about 15ft from us and walking towards us. The closer this guy got the more she barked, adeeper and what I would describe as meaningful bark. As the guy got closer and she got more andmore p’d off to the point that I had to secure her directly by her collarrather than her leash. She reared up andpulled with all her might to reach this stranger. NOTHING I said or did wasgoing to make her stop wanting to take this guys head off, NOTHING! This is a TM that is usually very wellmannered, pays attention, walks to heal, can focus, knows her commands LEAVE ITand NEVER MIND at the drop of a hat.

This has happened in the past, when the person appeared tobe intoxicated, this time the man did not appear intoxicated at all.

Now you would have thought this guy would have learned hislesson the first time walking past her, but just to make sure she really didhate him we walked past him a second time as we were heading back home. She hated him just as much the second time asshe did the first.

 

[tb44]

Sounds like moo sensed some kind of danger from this man. Whatever it was she was obviously protecting you. Especially since you have said that she is usually excepting of people. Is she fixed?

 

[Rugers-Kris]

LOL. You would think that is what I might do with the implication, huh? SMH

Kris can you bring tiger too? My neighbor looked at me and I could really use a killing machine

 

[tb44]

Look at that boy? You used to have 5 kids before you got that killer. Lmao

 

[Rugers-Kris]

I have had a few incidents like this with Ruger. Normally he appears not to even notice the person (He does but someone that doesn't know him wouldn't think so) but there are have been occcasions that he threatened someone farther away and although, he he didn't try to get away, he did not obey the "quiet" command. I have chalked them up to dogs intuition. The first time was a drunken idiot.....

After reading a few posts on what we think out Mastiffswould and would not do protection wise I thought I would share a smallexperience from this past Friday night, I would love to hear your thoughts onthis.

For those of you who don’t know me Mooshi is a Tibetan Mastiffbitch. 2yrs 7mths old. I would put her temperament in the medium category(others would say she is medium to hard). She has had no protection training whatsoever, has been socialized from8 weeks old, holds her Gold UK GC award and would be best described as aloofbut approachable and accepting to most…now I say most because this past Fridaynight my husband and I were out walking Mooshi and Bear (my Akita). The time was about 6.30 in the evening and itwas dark out, but we were walking on a main road with traffic and good lighting. Coming towards us was a man, he was notwobbling, slurring, talking to himself or showing any outward signs of beingintoxicated. He was not dressed in anyunusual either. Mooshi started barkingat this guy when he was about 15ft from us and walking towards us. The closer this guy got the more she barked, adeeper and what I would describe as meaningful bark. As the guy got closer and she got more andmore p’d off to the point that I had to secure her directly by her collarrather than her leash. She reared up andpulled with all her might to reach this stranger. NOTHING I said or did wasgoing to make her stop wanting to take this guys head off, NOTHING! This is a TM that is usually very wellmannered, pays attention, walks to heal, can focus, knows her commands LEAVE ITand NEVER MIND at the drop of a hat.

This has happened in the past, when the person appeared tobe intoxicated, this time the man did not appear intoxicated at all.

Now you would have thought this guy would have learned hislesson the first time walking past her, but just to make sure she really didhate him we walked past him a second time as we were heading back home. She hated him just as much the second time asshe did the first.

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If I had 5 kids I WOULD have to feed them to him because I damn sure can't afford to take care of all of those kids and this spoiled ass dog! LOL

Look at that boy? You used to have 5 kids before you got that killer. Lmao

 

[Rugers-Kris]

If I had 5 kids I WOULD have to feed them to him because I damn sure can't afford to take care of all of those kids and this spoiled ass dog! LOL

Look at that boy? You used to have 5 kids before you got that killer. Lmao

 

[Atlas_Mama]

I think if you can't feel protected and safe owning a mastiff- any type more or less- then you can't feel safe and protected with any dog. Minus special training etc...just my two cents.

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

Sounds like moo sensed some kind of danger from this man. Whatever it was she was obviously protecting you. Especially since you have said that she is usually excepting of people. Is she fixed?

No she is not fixed.

 

[ruthcatrin]

My question is in everyone's option here, have you had a friendly dog step up when they needed to? I'm sure he is still to young (10 months) to have protective nature. Just curious if maybe I'll be able to count on him. I live alone with a 2 year old. Just looking for some input And just to make it clear, we did not choose him to be a guard dog. Thanks.​

Regarding the original question posted; I would like to hear an explanation of what you mean "by stepping up", and "counting on him"????

Read Northern's post at the start of this thread. Daisy is by all accounts a reasonably friendly happy EM, but will step up and protect the family when she perceives the need. This is a dog I would personally say could be counted on to protect her family. Does that help?

 

[ruthcatrin]

Now you would have thought this guy would have learned hislesson the first time walking past her, but just to make sure she really didhate him we walked past him a second time as we were heading back home. She hated him just as much the second time asshe did the first.

Apollo will take a dislike like that on occasion. Usually I can spot the reason, but occasionally not. In her case the fact that he apparently deliberetly walked by her a 2nd time indicates that she's probly right and he's an idiot who ought to be watched carefully IMO.

 

[ruthcatrin]

RugerKris. I don't personally have a problem with Ruger's behavior, but then I do TMs lol. I have no problem with a well socialized, but aloof dog who can be called back on command but has a pro-active protective instinct.

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

^^like^^

 

[Geisthexe]

Regarding the original question posted; I would like to hear an explanation of what you mean "by stepping up", and "counting on him"????

** STEPPING UP: would be meaning if the dog if in the time of YOUR need if an offender was attacking you would attack them.
** COUNTING ON HIM: Basically the same thing at stepping up.

** TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WITH A NON TRAINED MASTIFF: "MOST" Do not have the natural instinct to attack b/c it is NOT what they were or are designed for. Most Mastiffs where not developed to be human aggressive.
** FEAR AGGRESSION: a dog in this will bite a shallow bite (front teeth only) this is bite and run.
** DEFENSIVE FLIGHT: a dog will look aggressive by barking growling but will have its tail down and wanting to run, these will also bite will a shallow bite to get away.
** DEFENSIVE FIGHT: a dog if put into a corner or somewhere it is not able to get out of the dog will lunge, growl, bark, and take a full bite to mean to hurt you.
****** TRAINED GUARD DOG: a dog that is trained to guard, usually will stand there ground by barking / growling, if you enter there territory they are TRAINED to guard they will then attack to put you down.
****** TRAINED PROTECTION DOG: a dog that is trained to protect one, usually will only bite if told the command or trained by a scared scream (feefee help) the dog knows to help you out w/o running

Hope this makes sense to ya

 

[mx5055]

Read Northern's post at the start of <a href="http://www.mastiff-forum.com/showthread.php/8424-Daisy-was-tested-tonight" target="_blank">this thread</a>. Daisy is by all accounts a reasonably friendly happy EM, but will step up and protect the family when she perceives the need. This is a dog I would personally say could be counted on to protect her family. Does that help?<font color="Silver"><br>
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I guess I worded what I meant to say incorrectly. &nbsp; I think using terms "stepping up" and "counting on him" are phrases without a lot of meaning without being given a specific situation. I felt like the OP should have just said "Will my dog give his life for me if I am in danger"....which, of course, without any special training or testing he will never know the answer to that question. Just my opinion.

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** STEPPING UP: would be meaning if the dog if in the time of YOUR need if an offender was attacking you would attack them.
** COUNTING ON HIM: Basically the same thing at stepping up.

** TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WITH A NON TRAINED MASTIFF: "MOST" Do not have the natural instinct to attack b/c it is NOT what they were or are designed for. Most Mastiffs where not developed to be human aggressive.
** FEAR AGGRESSION: a dog in this will bite a shallow bite (front teeth only) this is bite and run.
** DEFENSIVE FLIGHT: a dog will look aggressive by barking growling but will have its tail down and wanting to run, these will also bite will a shallow bite to get away.
** DEFENSIVE FIGHT: a dog if put into a corner or somewhere it is not able to get out of the dog will lunge, growl, bark, and take a full bite to mean to hurt you.
****** TRAINED GUARD DOG: a dog that is trained to guard, usually will stand there ground by barking / growling, if you enter there territory they are TRAINED to guard they will then attack to put you down.
****** TRAINED PROTECTION DOG: a dog that is trained to protect one, usually will only bite if told the command or trained by a scared scream (feefee help) the dog knows to help you out w/o running

Hope this makes sense to ya

Thank you Deb. It totally makes sense

 

[mx5055]

** STEPPING UP: would be meaning if the dog if in the time of YOUR need if an offender was attacking you would attack them.
** COUNTING ON HIM: Basically the same thing at stepping up.

** TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS WITH A NON TRAINED MASTIFF: "MOST" Do not have the natural instinct to attack b/c it is NOT what they were or are designed for. Most Mastiffs where not developed to be human aggressive.
** FEAR AGGRESSION: a dog in this will bite a shallow bite (front teeth only) this is bite and run.
** DEFENSIVE FLIGHT: a dog will look aggressive by barking growling but will have its tail down and wanting to run, these will also bite will a shallow bite to get away.
** DEFENSIVE FIGHT: a dog if put into a corner or somewhere it is not able to get out of the dog will lunge, growl, bark, and take a full bite to mean to hurt you.
****** TRAINED GUARD DOG: a dog that is trained to guard, usually will stand there ground by barking / growling, if you enter there territory they are TRAINED to guard they will then attack to put you down.
****** TRAINED PROTECTION DOG: a dog that is trained to protect one, usually will only bite if told the command or trained by a scared scream (feefee help) the dog knows to help you out w/o running

Hope this makes sense to ya

Thank you Deb. It totally makes sense

 

[chuckorlando]

Deb I agree with bout everything you posted. Except the defensive fight being backed into a corner. Some dogs simply have a protection drive. Like Filas. It takes absolutly nothing but for them to see you to turn on. But for the most part that makes sense.

Stepping up to me means one thing and one thing only. No regard for it's own life when it comes to your life. Anything less maybe a A for effort. Like getting jumped by 3 guys and the only punch your friend throws to help is when one of their backs are turned. Yea, you did SOMETHING, but your coward-es directly resulted in my ass whooping.

Mooshi you have experienced what it is I refer to as "Turning on" . To me that shows some sort of natural protection drive. When a Fila turns on you would have better luck getting a brick wall to sit and be soft. I would think TM's would be one of them dogs that just have it in them to stand in the paint.