Neuter Nightmare

Discussion in 'Health & Nutritional Care' started by April Nicole, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. April Nicole

    April Nicole Well-Known Member

    DenyMcKusker accidentally sent me this thread as a p.m. So I copied it, and am posting it for her... :)

    Neuter Nightmare....
    I havenever had a pup that was not neutered at 4 months. This is all new to me. I am trying SO hard to wait this out so that Max will benefit from all the hormone growth but this IS NOT easy. He is 7 months and his humping/mounting is out of control. I have a very senior Pittie girl and a disabled Chi female. I am spending ALL day monitoring this. If he gets to them they are pinned. He is so heavy it just crushes them to the ground. It makes me so mad! If I separate him from the pack he cries and moans. My adult Pittie female let him know real quick that if he thinks he is going to get away with this she will let him know what a real whoopin is. He has not messed with her since.

    I talked to my vet who wants me to get to 18 months if he could suggest anything. He said"hell, I don't know, go get him a woman. There's lots of them down on Congress that will do anything".

    I don't know if I am going to make this time frame. I think I am looking for some Canine Salt Peter or something like that. My husband is begging me to give this time but he travels and doesn't see all that I see.

    I know ya'll will give some sound advice & THANKYOU!
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  2. TylerDurden

    TylerDurden Well-Known Member

    I totally understand that is extremely difficult to manage whenever there is more than one dog in th pack. Seperating them constantly must be really exhausting. I don‘t have any suggestions on how to make the situation better, but encourage you to wait. I just recently talked to my breeder about it again who had talked to other breeders, and all of them strongly suggested to wait until 24 months (18 at the very least). My former vet wanted to do it at six months, which I did not agree with at all. There is lots of research and threads on this forum, which would be a great starting point as far as pros and cons. However, I don‘t think there is any guarantee that neutering would even change the humping/mounting (it could).
  3. April Nicole

    April Nicole Well-Known Member

    I have never had this problem since Sophie is the only female I've ever owned. But I agree w Tyler. He may not stop even if neutered. You may have to give him some serious consequences for his actions. Start with trying to get him to " leave it" (I know if he has humping on the mind, probably won't deter him) Then maybe leash him. Put a prong on him if need be, and give him a correction if he does it. A firm "NO" ! and a correction w the prong, might make him snap out of it. Then you can keep him in a sit, and each time he gets up to go back for more. Repeat. If that all fails, you may have to separate him. Even if he whines. He may need to get it through his head that if he wants to be w the pack, it's gonna be your way....

    So I would say, start w trying to win him over with high value treats, but if what he wants is more valuable than anything you can trade up to, a correction may be the next step. Then separation if all fails.
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  4. April Nicole

    April Nicole Well-Known Member

    Also, are your girls fixed?
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  5. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Personally, I would start working on a rock solid leave it and place as well as upping impulse control work just because they are really good things to have in your arsenal. With a solid leave it, you should be able to stop him before he actually grabs hold of the other dogs and then you can send him to his place for a break. Unfortunately this does mean you'll still be managing him all day long.

    I do have a few questions. Does he mount and hump out of nowhere, or is he aroused (not in the sexual way) and then he humps? Like are they playing, or are the other dogs barking, etc and he gets all worked up? Is he playing and getting too worked up? Is there a time it's more likely to happen, like after he's come in from a walk or someone comes in the house? When you separate him, where is he? What do you do when he whines? When do you release him from his seclusion? (We call it being voted off the island.)
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  6. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    I would also work on leave it and enough command, iv known people have there dogs neutered and they still want to hump, id also like to know if its when hes over excited, if your seperating him then when hes let in hes going to be very excited,
    Does he do it with other dogs if he sees them or just your girls, i think this could be trained out of him rather than early neuter
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  7. Smokeycat

    Smokeycat Well-Known Member

    My intact male very rarely tries to hump anything anymore. He is very sensitive to what I think and I was able to train that behavior out of him by using leave it and then redirecting with a command he knew. It did take a few weeks to correct however as there were a few behaviors that popped up when his hormones started surging that needed to be corrected. My neutered male (done at 5.5 months) is the one that will still try and hump. He does it because of frustration and the behavior only started after he was a year old. By using leave it or get off he does stop but at this point it isn't a behavior that will go away but requires management on my part.
    I really think a strong leave it command can make a lot of behaviour issues easier to correct or manage.
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  8. DenyMcKusker

    DenyMcKusker Member

    Yes girls are spayed and boys neutered. They all came from Rescue groups / shelters and were fixed before they came home. Max is the only 1 that is not. Thank you for the sound advice!!! An interesting thing happened last night. I had a gallon jug of water in my hands and Max climbed on to Boo(old lady) a few feet away. I thru the water at him and it splashed on his back. He ran faster than chicken little in to the house and on to my bed. It was GREAT. He tried again later and all had to do was shake the jug and tell him to leave her alone. He hasn't even tried today. Just maybe I have accidentally fallen on to something that will help me wait this out. I have multiple water stations around due to the unforgivable heat here so the splash is readily available. At what age if any will Logan be neutered? Thank you for your
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  9. DenyMcKusker

    DenyMcKusker Member

    He doesn't seek them out but when they just happen to be in the same vicinity typically in the yard. He is not all worked up at all. He is very calm about it. Both girls are not afraid of him surprisingly. They know I am going to get him off . When I separate him he goes in a bedroom. I ignore the whine to the best of my ability. I usually can hold out for about 20-30 minutes. I believe I will use the "rock solid leave it" in combination with the water jug. I like that idea. It just might work. I was very surprised today when I shook the water jug and he hauled ass in to the bedroom.
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  10. DenyMcKusker

    DenyMcKusker Member

    He has tried it with 1 of my other adult females. She put a stop to it immediately. He understood. She is a Pit bull/Greyhound mix so she is fast and powerful. He totally gets that. My son's little chi mix female is visiting but she is very fast and no way for him to catch her. He is content with the old and disabled. Yes, I need to train this out of him. Yes!!! & thank you!
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  11. April Nicole

    April Nicole Well-Known Member

    I'm so glad you found something to deter him. So funny he took off running!!

    I'm not planning to neuter Logan. Unless he starts trying to stray and it becomes an issue. And even then, I would want him to be fully grown. His breed, as with other mastiffs, mature slowly, and are not fully grown until around 3 years old.
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  12. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    Our intact male only is stupid enough to try this once in a blue moon when the females are coming in. Honestly the best way to deal with it, we have found is exhaustion, if he too tired then he won't have the energy to try. That being said since he is not a breeding dog and mounting will not ever be acceptable for him then correct the behaviour the same way you would correct for any other desired behaviour. If he is still being an ass I would tether him to my and that way he is never far enough away to be a problem and if you can't watch then he needs to be separated and let him whine it out, he will get bored and tired sooner or later you will just have to be more determined than he is.
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  13. Sheila Braund

    Sheila Braund Well-Known Member

    I agree with Mary ....most bad behaviour can be curved by burning off excess energy....redirect....lots of treat and attention for good behaviour. Sounds like you have found a good distraction with the water.... Good luck Deny!
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  14. DenyMcKusker

    DenyMcKusker Member

    Just thought I would let you know your sound advice and suggestions have helped Max along beautiful until the magic day. I have never used the command "Leave It" with any of my dogs. No reason why just didn't. Now these 2 words are maybe the best two words I have ever said. The other dogs know what it means as it is frequent with Max. After my 1st cup of java I take him on a short hike. I have to be careful with that as it reaches triple digits early this time of year here. Yep, "God Bless Texas" I have to say also the water bottle is another awesome find. I have them set in several spots in the house and porch. Most of the time if he sees me walking towards the bottle he immediately stops. He probably won't ever enjoy running thru the sprinkler :) He is doing awesome and so are the other dogs now that we have it in check. I am looking forward to that special day. Thanks for helping me out!!!!!!!
  15. Pastor Dave

    Pastor Dave Well-Known Member

    I decided to keep Mr. Chev "intact" after careful consideration. I don't have any trouble with mounting or humping. He does like to mark every vertical thing with a bit of this due to being "intact" ??
  16. TylerDurden

    TylerDurden Well-Known Member

    It‘s not limited to intact dogs but I would say more common. However, I know that neutered dogs might as well mark.
  17. Smokeycat

    Smokeycat Well-Known Member

    My experience with one neutered male and one intact male is that both will mark but the neutered male is easier to call off and seems less driven by a need to mark. We do joke that trips to the off leash area are so Jiggers can chase a ball and Kryten can pee on everything.

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