Mastiff's outside

[babyjoemurphy]

I wish you both luck in his surgery. I can't imagine having to deal with that.
I agree completely with the statement made about dog neglected indoors as well. I also do not believe dogs left outside are abused/neglected. When I hear stories of someone always yelling at their dog to "shut up" or leaving their dogs chained up in all elements is when I get mad.
I just don't understand why one dog is allowed and the other isn't. Both are fantastic loving family dogs. Did your bf give you a reason as to why? Is the PUP his and the mastiff is yours? Im just really having a hard time with that

 

[JLeighL]

I also would NEVER give up my mastiff due to the circumastances bc he is NOT in any danger or miserable i assure everyone. He is perfectly happy, healthy and most people tell me they would love to be my dog bc he is so taken care of and loved. My vet actually tells me he's wonderful and very healthy and fine. The only reason my lab mix Ryleigh is indoors right now is bc she is only 12 weeks. I am not going to leave a small puppy that size outside where she could try to get out of her pen and hurt herself. The reason for Charlie (mastiff) not being inside is not because we think he is dirty, or sheds too much or anything. It just is what it is. People have the right to opinions and all and i'm sure that all dogs are not kept indoors.

We also work long hours so IF they needed to go out who would let them? Charlie has a concrete pen and rarely has accidents on it. He waits all day, but with the meds he is on right now he does occasionally have diarrhea ( and i mean EVERYWHERE) in his pen which takes me hours to clorox and clean. So if he was inside and this happened, do you know what my house would look like? I love him very much and yes i know to some it seems cruel to leave him outside, but hes really only in his pen to sleep at night, the same if he was inside. He would be in his "doggie" room to sleep. We are very outdoors people so we are with him all during the day when we are home. It would be the same if he was inside. He would be still be outside with us because we rarely just hang around inside the house. We have alot of land and do alot of things and Charlie is a part of all that so i dont see the prob. We go inside to eat and sleep pretty much. Its always late at night when we go in and i put charlie up (which he gladly runs to his pen) and we go to sleep. The next morning before work i take him out and walk him and feed him and he goes in his pen until me or my bf get home from work.What is the difference of him being inside for this or outside?! If he lived inside it would be the exact same thing. I would bring him inside if i could, although that prob wont happen.

I appreciate everyone's opinion. I dont appreciate people thinking i'm being in-humane or being mean to him though. He is very well taken care of and has an amazing quality of life. I had no intention of starting arguments or "heated discussions" i just simply wondered if anyone else did the same... i'm sure some people leave their mastiff outside in the a fenced yard if they are gone for hours or so. I would do the EXACT same if he was an indoor dog. However, his situation suits him.

 

[chuckorlando]

Hog wash. All these theories and studies and ideal's are a bunch of hog wash. How the hell would a Fila protect the live stock laying in front of the fire? I highly doubt. I find it hard to believe the Romans breed a bunch of war dogs in the CC as they sit at the dinner table. Let alone the cattle and boar hunting and the like. And it would have been extremly hard for a single tibetan mastiff to guard the land and even whole villages sleeping in the bed.

To say they only go out side cause thats all they know is crazy. I'm out side now. I'm always outside. I cant stand sitting inside in the a/c being confined. So in theory I must not be part of the family....... How does that even translate?

There may be points to all these theories. But you first need to know every single circumstance involved in every single family. With out that your just reading what likely was funded with a pre determined out come. Even if it was a random study, did they study a dog thats out there all the time and basicly treated as a guard dog? Did they study a dog thats family comes home and spends hours with them? Did they study a dog sleeping on a porch? Did they study a dog in a kennel? Did they study dogs who once were in door then taken out? Maybe out door dogs taken in? Maybe trained dogs? Untrained dogs? All ne breed? 20 from each breed?

 

[musicdeb]

I hope Charlie's surgery goes well and he heals nicely. After reading all of the posts, I say to each his own.

 

[JLeighL]

Thanks. I really like to see other peoples opinions. I would never think my opinion over ruled anyone else's tho. How u raise ur dog is totally up to you. Just as raising children, people have their own way. I love my dog dearly and ensure that he has the best possible. As long as we are both happy that is what counts! Will post about his surgery once it's all over. Praying for a quick and easy recovery!

 

[Tiger12490]

The term Bandog (also known as Bandogge) originated around 1250-1300 in Middle England, referring to a mastiff type dog that was bound by a chain during the daytime and was released at night to guard against intruders. In 1570 Johannes Caius published a book in Latin which in 1576 was translated into English by Abraham Fleming under the name Of Englishe Dogges, in which he described Bandog as a vast, stubborn, eager dog of heavy body.

The original Bandogs were bred with a functional purpose, as were all working breeds, and for the Bandog this purpose revolved around guarding and protecting. The Bandogs of old were strictly working dogs, often of various crosses and various sizes. The name "Bandog" was then not a breed, it was a description of a duty or purpose. Usually these dogs were coarse-haired hunters, fighters and property protectors without a strictly set type, developed from eastern shepherds and mastiffs crossed with western Bullenbeissers and hounds, with a few local bloodlines eventually being established as specific types in some regions, such as Britain, Spain, Germany, Poland and elsewhere in Europe.
Early incarnations of the Bandog probably had bloodlines from bull baiting dogs and the Guardian Mastiffs or the cross of both like the war dogs used in the Crusades.

Taken from:
http://ultimateguard.m.webs.com

This is what I've always read was that all of our dogs main purpose were hunting and protection of hearth and home and I'm not even sure when this companion stuff started especially with mastiffs. probably at the same time they ripped them from there original jobs when the kennel clubs bred for looks (poorly) and companionship.. there is nothing bad about a well taken care of outside dog and to say so kinda neglects the thousand year history that your MASTIFF has coursing through its veins and its cousins which still do there jobs in countries where people still use there dogs besides as blankets and pillows..

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

I still stand by the "place" of the dog changing. I wonder when they will become "human" if they haven't already......

 

[bullyBug]

The temperament of these dogs has changed as much as their looks have. There have been long discussions on this board about how difficult it can be to find dogs with the "correct/true/real etc etc" breed temperament. Those Roman war dogs would find it hard to co-exist in the enviornments mastiffs face (and thrive in) today.

 

[Tiger12490]

They wouldnt have use to some because we've become weak but thats besides the point there are bull mastiff and boerbol guarding in South Africa right now.... neopolitan and cane corso tearing it up in Sicily and Fila doing there damn thing with those rough cowboys in Brazil they haven't changed as much as you want to think....your mastiff is a guard dog of the truest form and was hand made by us to stay outside and guard what makes there dogs different is they have there original job....and us Americans enjoy making everything cuddly

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

They wouldnt have use to some because we've become weak but thats besides the point there are bull mastiff and boerbol guarding in South Africa right now.... neopolitan and cane corso tearing it up in Sicily and Fila doing there damn thing with those rough cowboys in Brazil they haven't changed as much as you want to think....your mastiff is a guard dog of the truest form and was hand made by us to stay outside and guard what makes there dogs different is they have there original job....and us Americans enjoy making everything cuddly

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Don't you know we American's are "improving" the breeds, we have alarm systems.......oh and guns!

 

[JLeighL]

lol everyone does their research very well. I think any dog is what you make of it. Outside or in, as long as the dog is well taken care of and loved on then he is content unless he is acting out differently. My whole point is, even if he lived inside, he would still be outside the majority of time if he wanted to spend time with us. We are just very outdoors people. So the only time he is in his pen and when i'm at work and at night to sleep. I wouldn't play with him while i was at work or in my sleep even if he was inside.

 

[bullyBug]

I'm not saying I agree with the watering down of working dogs -- just making an observation. If you want to believe dogs today are what they were yesteryear (despite breeding without selecting for specific abilities for generations upon generations, and in many cases purposely breeding against what was previously considered desireable) we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Of course we're talking about general populations, majorites.

 

[JLeighL]

I definitely have my dog for companionship and love and because i am a dog lover. In no way would i ever make his situation to not be suitable for him. After his diagnosis of being completely blind i stayed by his side for days and days. I cried for nights in a row wondering how he would adjust and how this would be for him. Not for me, but for him. He is completely adjusted and is doing better than i ever could have imagined. He is the love of my life, just like every dog i own. They are top priority to me! They are my children and i treat them wonderful!

Do i think that dogs are the same as they were 100's of years ago? Definitely not. Humans have socialized them and have tamed them. I do not use my dog as a guard dog. I have him because i love him and wanted a happy life for him. I have guns to guard me. He's my big boy and will always be! =)

 

[Tiger12490]

They are not what they were of yesteryear but there are our breeds today that still do there job and well... its a dog...a dog... were saying that keeping a dog outside primarily is wrong ..next horses or cows ..seriously this conversation any where else would be laughed out...stop personifying animals .... and to make someone feel bad for taking care of there pet outside is wrong period there are more dogs that live outside in the world then live indoors and it has always been like that and always will ... but we can agree to disagree.....but early and modern history sais your wrong

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[Tiger12490]

Dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years before they became a shadow of there former selves a 100 years ago and even then some of our dogs were bad asses until the 70s and 80s like the Neo and DDB and bull mastiff way less removed then you think

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[JLeighL]

What do you mean about "early and modern history says your wrong" lol i got confused for a bit...sorry blonde moment

 

[bullyBug]

I know my dog is not human and I love him for it!

its a dog...a dog...

A dog. A man made (sub)species developed to have an INNATE desire to bond to humans. If you want to compare dogs to cows, goldfish, or ants - you might want to do a little more research.

I'm originally from the carribean, and only a tiny fraction of dogs there get medical care. By your reasoning, it's fine to withhold medical care because most people do it? I'm sure you don't think that's the case. The argument that anything has to be right because most/a lot of people do it is silly.

I think it is cruel to take an animal that wants nothing more than to be with you, and segregate it. There are always exceptions to everything, but more dogs will fall in to the "want nothing more than to be with you" category. We have bred for it!

 

[JLeighL]

Exactly! I love my dog very much, but in the end he is a dog. He is treated wonderfully and just because he is living outside doesn't mean he isnt as happy as someone's dog who lives inside. And he does love to be with us, and we adore being with him, but there are times when he'll take a rain check on something we do and go lie down in the grass with a nice juicy bone. I do however think that all dogs do need medical care in order to prolong their life. My dog has check ups every 6 months with his veterinarian and every 4-6 months with an Ophthalmologist. All in all, it all comes down to people have different views on everything. It doesn't make any of it right or wrong. Life is what you make you of. If everyone lived by what one person thought it would be a sad world. Thats why its so diverse!

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And i dont know how this conversation turned into what it did. But its entertaining.

 

[JLeighL]

And i dont know how this conversation turned into what it did. But its entertaining.

 

[Smart_Family]

And i dont know how this conversation turned into what it did. But its entertaining.

It happens here pretty often. There are several topics that people are pretty passionate about and this is one of them haha.