Looking into getting a boerboel

Discussion in 'Boerboel' started by Kenneth Smith Jr, Feb 14, 2019.

  1. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    The ccs over here are attracting way too many of the wrong people, the breed as boomed over the last 6 years, i can see the same happening as what happened with the rotties 20 years ago, it was horrific evetone got them, then everyone started breeding, then the attacks started, the one that sticks in my mind is 2 rotts that were purchased to gaurd a pub, the owners then had a baby, the baby cried the rotts attacked , killed baby.
    Yes the criminals have guns, and stabbings are an every day occurance now, they break into your homes and attack you to get what they want,
     
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  2. That is sad such a great breed. I feel for the breeders. Trusting someone to purchase your dogs. Trusting someone to do as ever breeder asked and state in their contract : socialize, puppy classes, basic obedience class and possible other great things out there for these wonderful working dogs to do. Only to find out they do nothing to except feed and provide shelter. I have a colleague who got her Corso a rescue and asked her did you put him in training? Her response no she is great around our baby. I left saying wow a gun just waiting to go off. I have another colleague who got her Corso Same time as me almost two years ago. I keep saying get him in training. She did almost a year later. These dogs love being around family they love to please but they are dogs and dogs can be dogs at any time. But with proper training less likely they will turn that off.
     
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  3. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    The problem is theres too many people out there that are wannabe breeders, they think they know the breed, they talk the talk hook the buyers with there speel and they dont care less where the pups are going, they see there dog as a money making machine. Then youve got the owners that think its great to get a pup, then the second its gets hard they give up, theres not a day goes by that i dont do some sort of training with the boys,
    Then youve got people like marke, the passion in the well being of his dogs and for the breed is amazing, not only in where his pups are placed , its how his dogs look, i see too many dogues that cant move for skin and wrinkles, look back on the threads and see his dogs. Wow just wow.
     
  4. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    This more than anything, I dread placing pups. When you end up with fantastic families it is like a huge weight off your chest but the worry about whether you chose well always weighs on you.
     
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  5. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    We see so many people over here that get a dog and they just have to breed it. It is totally a cash business and it takes less than 5 seconds on Craigslist, Hoobly, or Kijiji over here to see the bad spot our breed is in. The market over here is also becoming saturated so we are having more and more dogs dumped because those "irresponsible" breeders aren't going to hold on to those puppies for months, waiting on the right home and watching them eat through anything that could have been considered a profit off the litter.

    We also have newbies that are in the breed 5 minutes and know it all and give out advise like they have all the experience in the world, and this can lead to problems for the other newbies who don't realize that most don't have a clue. Having years in a breed still makes me a newbie, owning several dogs with different temperaments, having litters, working through problems with puppy families and I am still a newbie. Our breed is having challenges that at the moment are breaking our breed, now it is just he hope that when the dust settles and it is time to rebuild that we have people with the ability to do so to the best interest of the breed.
     
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  6. Steven C

    Steven C Active Member

    I don't think I could ever do it. It would kill me seeing people give up the puppies you sold them or hearing stories of the torturous lives the dogs are living. I thought of having the sperm frozen from my Bordeaux since he was the last litter ever of this highly sought after Bordeaux and I thought about what I would ever do with the puppies, no way. 2 Champion AKC poodles, both fixed, not a chance these compulsive loons going to put my dogs in the street or abuse.
     
  7. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    To be fair I don't sell breeding dogs, anything that is a show/breeding dog is on co-own so if something happens the dog is in my name as well...but nothing will stop a person who is set on doing wrong regardless. We are so far passed the days of people's word and signature on things standing for integrity and standing by what they have agreed to. :(
     
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  8. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

     
  9. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    I remember when I first started to look into corso, the dogs in the US had2 breeders in it. That is all, two whole breeders and even when I was looking at purchasing there were far less breeders to look into and a distinct line between American and Import. In Canada, despite the size of it there are I think less than 10 breeders that health test, are active in the breed and working towards breed preservation, yet look on Kijiji, Hoobly or anything like that and you will see pages of ads.

    Consistency in the breed is always a challenge but with so many substandard dogs being bred and sold, and the generally public not demanding better, health testing, understanding the standard and what they are getting etc., everyone thinking they need to own one so they are being watered down to a softer temp. to make them alright for every has a breed in terrible straights. I don't see it changing while I am alive, not as long as someone can make big cash off of them.
     
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  10. Steven C

    Steven C Active Member

    I want to say thank you as its the first time in this forum ever I saw the words from someone else besides me that the breed is not naturally a soft temperament. I almost thought it was me that was wrong in doing my research before purchasing. These are not soft dogs or rather supposed soft dogs that are happy go lucky hey everyone come meet me corso types. My Corso is the hardest dog I've ever raised from bite drive to hunt drive to agility and energy. We love it but always say not many people would go through this trouble. She is rounding 2 now and hasn't even slowed except once in a while in the car she lays down in the back seat.

    I don't really know what happened but I think the reason is because of the look. The Corso is very attractive with the bad ass look and once prices get cheap enough as they are now, you have every back yard breeder banging them out left and right. Similar to pitbulls and now you will see a bunch of Malis everywhere being bred but only a handful of imprinters which that dog needs.

    I was so excited getting my Bordeaux, I went to the airport with my daughter an hour ahead of time. At that time a decade ago there were very few and they were super expensive and I think that helped with keeping them solid. You will never see a Bordeaux in a ghetto yard, but you will see Corso. In England now there is a major problem with Bordeaux dying between 2 and 3 years old of heart failure it sounds to me like they started playing with its genetics for size perhaps.
     
  11. I think the Corso being on the hottest TV show in game of thrones doesn’t help the breed. I think it actually hurts the breed. Cause people get a misconception about the breed. So as you call them back yard breeders have no idea about the breed but only go by looks. It is hurting the breed. It is honestly another reason I have an interest in the boerboel. It is new in the USA but slowly becoming popular sorry to said.
     
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  12. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    Steven, my boys arent anywhere near soft temperament, bud is the most pig headed dog iv owned, the other 2 are close behind, bud has challenged me as he was growingbut i was prepared for that as like you id read up on the breed,
    There was 6 break ins around us last night, the police knocked at my door and said straight away i guess you werent touched. Needless to say they heard and saw the full force from the boys,
    So over here when i read the adverts of soft natured, social great with every stranger and easy to train dogs for sale i get baffled.
    So please dont think i disagree with you.
     
  13. Steven C

    Steven C Active Member

    Have a look around the forum. Show me 1 post where they say this breed needs structure or a highly experienced owner. I know you owned rotties before I believe and I owned Bordeaux which my Bordeaux was not easy either, had major biting problems and only learned with strong structure. All I tend to see is positive training with no structure which I can tell you right now would never work with a correctly tempered Corso.

    There is a lady getting popular on youtube now called Senza tempo I believe and she has the most docile corso I have ever seen, she has a pack and is a new breeder to the breed from pitbull. She claims her dogs are trained, they are only pack trained. Tons of people are buying corso now because of this channel and people are being shown that the breed is highly docile and soft tempered.
     
  14. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    We had a problem long before then...we had a boom around 2008 to 2010 where breeders just popped up out of no where.
     
  15. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    There was recently just a discussion about this very breeder. She has had the breed since 2016 (according to her website) and has already started breeding several litters, 4 alone planned for this spring/summer.

    The biggest complaint you will here from the people with 20+ years in is the 5 minute newbies who know it all doling out advise when they have barely raised one corso to maturity.

    It used to be a joke that you just thought you knew everything corso until you made it to about 3 years and the you realized you know nothing.

    We also used to have a lot more active corso population (and other breeds) but there were some challenges a few years ago and they dropped off.
     
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  16. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    I will try and look her up, i would never recomend a cc to a first time owner and yes i had rotties for over 20 years, they prepared me a lot for this breed but iv had to learn a lot more, im in no doubt what my boys would do if they hadnt got structure, i train every day to a routine a strict one, i wouldnt advise anyone to get 3, im lucky to have the time, the space, i have a large property and have the added bonus to be able to take them to an area that no one else is allowed, friends run an agility dog group, we go after hours for them to stop thefts of equipment, the boys each have an area to check, without all this id have a problem, they would fight.
     
  17. I am a first time owner but prior to getting her I researched the crap about this breed. I knew we would all have to learn about this breed. (My wife my mother in law and our four kids). I had my triplets at that time 8 yo help me train her. My middle triplets with my supervision is able to take something out her mouth. But again I taught myself. I asked questions. I did have several trainers throughout the almost two years. I went from one extreme positive praise food training (no correction) to a trainer who only wanted to use the e collar (no bonding no fun working together) that training e collar was not rewarding at all. So I took the good from all the trainers and left the bad with them. I am blessed to have found her current trainer who is helping me with IPO. And he using a little of everything food praise correction and even e collar (when used appropriately). I fell in love with this breed so much I even thought of co ownership but then I realized not to brag no future owner will spend the time or money that I have done for my dog. Therefore no thanking I will just enjoy my current girl (would I like a more hard dog for better protection? YES but I think we have the best dog for our family. Her bark is pretty good and I have a taser (skeptical about guns with kids in the house) so if the intruder is crazy to break in even after hearing her bark OH WELL!!!
     
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  18. Steven C

    Steven C Active Member

    You will find her easily on YouTube, I would like to read the thread that spoke about her on the forum, would be interesting the thoughts. When you read through the comments on her channel, its like Corso derangement syndrome. Everything thinks they are so gentle and loving, its cringe worthy.

    I find that even after a 5 mile walk which we do around 6 nights a week late night. She gets amped up right after and does zoomies in the house (yes at 2 yo) and the poodles know now to run out of the way into a safe zone. Occasionally she will chase the poodles but I am pretty sure she is just trying to play which I don't allow, thankfully. But very strange after a 5 mile walk as if that's not enough for her to wind down.

    The coolest thing with Corso I think for me Glen is when I go on a field with people and she is off leash, she will not go too far from me and it takes a second to call her and she comes right back. I really enjoy watching how Corso glide when they run or jog.
     
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  19. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    I like that steven, cane corso derangement syndrone.iv found her on youtube ill watch some today.
    I agree gandalf loves to run, he glides looks amazing, the other 2 keep up for a while but he just goes on and on, his energy level is a lot higher than the other 2, your girl sounds like him, you think youve done enough to wea them out, but no, iv learnt with his energy when we get home if hes on a high i hide his kongs outside, i tell him to go search, then after hes found them all he rests, hes 4
     
  20. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    It wasn't on this forum it on the preservation page on FB, I think also on the Olden and modern chat page. She has not endeared herself with the community with her need to immediately pump out puppies from lines she doesn't know enough about to be breeding. Health screens don't seem to be a requirement for her under the guise of her dogs work and that is proof enough they are healthy. She isn't the only kennel like this but she is the one that has come under fire recently as she also likes to talk, A LOT on FB pages, although it is my understanding it is the ones that are owned by her friends as she doesn't stay on the ones that actually have a bit of educational stuff on them.
     

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