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List Of CAFIB Breeders?

kshymkiw

Active Member
not nec. rubbing per say just the weight on the hard surface... it is the body trying to protect the bone from damage. I remember a breeder of non CAFIB dogs say that the non CAFIB dogs have thicker skin and that is why they dont get it...LMFAO I laughed so freaking hard. talk about lack of knowledge!

ksh, now that you know that those are calluses and how they are formed do you know why it is the CAFIB type that has them more over the none CAFIB type?

I don't know exactly why. I have always had large dogs myself, and none of them have ever gotten them. Like I said though, my dogs have never preferred to sleep on hard surfaces. Even my Fila Pup now likes to sleep on the couch over the floor.

I don't know why I generally see them on Brazilian CAFIB Fila's vs. Non CAFIB Fila's. I would have to assume the Brazilian's, tend to use their dogs more as working dogs than some of the other groups.
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
And that is why... you said your dogs sleep on sofas. If the farm owners and breeders would put sofas on their porch or in the kennels there would be no calusses. You just need to know that this is just SO common that they arent even thinking about it. I would assume a dog w/o it would seem somewhat strange to them. But yea, you are correct.. in Brazil CAFIB fila live outside, they are usually dirty, have fleas, ticks, etc. calluses actually just add a rustic look to a dog that just looks right at home in that type of setting. Obviously mine lives in doors and no fleas, ticks or calluses and she looks great to me but she did look out of place next to the other dogs when she went down there...
 

kshymkiw

Active Member
And that is why... you said your dogs sleep on sofas. If the farm owners and breeders would put sofas on their porch or in the kennels there would be no calusses. You just need to know that this is just SO common that they arent even thinking about it. I would assume a dog w/o it would seem somewhat strange to them. But yea, you are correct.. in Brazil CAFIB fila live outside, they are usually dirty, have fleas, ticks, etc. calluses actually just add a rustic look to a dog that just looks right at home in that type of setting. Obviously mine lives in doors and no fleas, ticks or calluses and she looks great to me but she did look out of place next to the other dogs when she went down there...

Sounds good. As having never seen it before, it just looked so out of place.
 

Bryan Bondurant

New Member
I'm in the process of finding a new dog here in the United States so
that's how I came to find this thread. I'm also a experienced Fila owner
having owned one Fila in Asia and having visited multiple Fila kennels
there. My background includes dogs and horses at the highest levels of
breeding and training, more on that if anyone is interested.

I do not know CAFIB or the breeders in Brazil being
discussed here but I'm very interested in both. I consider myself a
dedicated Fila owner and not interested in other breeds at this time.
Here is the point, I do not have a horse in this race and I'm only
interested in facts but here are a couple observations based on my
personal experience.

First, it is ridiculous to compare a California puppy mill to a professional breeder in South
America or Asia. Thats like comparing a meth lab in a trailer park to
Pfizer. Its not the same thing on any level. That is not saying there is
nothing wrong here, that there are not problems as I do not know any of
the people involved.

As far as the dogs not getting
attention, hands on. That depends on the kennel. My personal experience
is a large kennel as mentioned has more advantages than disadvantages.
Labor is cheap in South America and Asia. Often the farm workers on a
place like this are there for life, similar to the old cowboys on
ranches. The girls working at a kennel in Asia knew every dog from the
time it was born, they wash the dogs every single day. They do this not
to keep the dogs clean but to keep them gentle, they run things like a
professional horse operation. Dogs go out of kennels on intervals and
are dealt with from daylight till dark. Every dog is taken on walks and
there is one or more persons at the kennel giving human interaction
throughout the day. I can promise you, a couple girls getting payed to
play with and wash puppies all day in Asia will spend much more time
with dogs than the average American with a full time job and a few dogs.
There is not much daylight to deal with dogs in America after they get
home from work, have to feed and deal with a family, do homework, go to
soccer, and keep a house clean. Again, this is not defending the breeder
in question, just pointing out it is not fair to assume a large kennel
in South America is operated poorly or ran like a puppy mill in
California.

The callus issue is a simple one.
Professional kennels have concrete floors. In a hot and or tropical
environment I don't care how nice a bed you make or how many fans you
have blowing directly on a dog it is going to lay down on the concrete.
This goes double when you spray water on the concrete as the evaporation
of the water coming off the concrete will have a dog trying to get every
bit of cooling it can get off the concrete floor. Therefore your going
to have calluses. Dogs in cooler climates or dogs that live inside
houses with air conditioning sleeping on furniture may not have the
callus issues but even then its possible. Its more a hot weather large
breed issue than anything else, nothing to do with good or bad care.


As far as fleas and ticks, that depends on the owner
or breeder. I have seen more horrible dog situations in America than I
ever saw at a real deal kennel in Asia. It goes without saying that if
you have full time kennel help you are in a better mathematical situation
to maintain dogs health than a two person mom and pop kennel. Again, not
saying that kennels cannot be ignorant and or lazy.

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Sorry about the way the text posted,
 

dogman#1

Well-Known Member
Bryan, very correct.
BTW, where were your past filas from? what bloodlines will you be looking for or is that something you still have to research more? Let me know if you need any help.

Juan