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How to trim: dog nail thread

Hector

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The purpose of this thread is to provide some visuals, articles, and videos for those who might be struggling with black nails. Before you start with clippers or use a dremel, you need to make sure your dog is comfortable with their paws being handled/held and nails being pinched/held and then tapped with a foreign object like clippers or a dremel. I'm not going to go into the desensitization/counter conditioning process here.

Susan Garrett's article/video to start:

Cutting Your Dog's Nails . . . How Important Is it Really? | Susan Garretts Dog Training Blog

Here's an article explaining how long nails affects the joints: IGs and Toe Nail Length | Midwest Italian Greyhound Rescue

joints.jpg

Key points from: http://www.dogtalk.com/Broch-nail%20Clipping.pdf

THREE KEY POINTS FOR
TRIMMING YOUR DOG’S NAILS
1. Breathe! Cut nails when you have the
time, not when you are stressed out.


2. Desensitize! Dogs generally do not
like to have their paws handled. If they
have not been introduced at an early
age to touching, they may resist nail
trimming. If they have a “bad†(in their
perception) experience, they may resist
it altogether.


3. When trimming a young dog's nails,
use patience to gain the dog's confidence.
You may need to increase your
own confidence in cutting nails too!
This extra time will prevent a negative
association making this a tolerable
procedure in the future.


4. Begin by taking a deep breath, then
hold the paw and lightly do some filing.
If this is too much too soon, touch and
back off. Go slowly, be positive and
give a treat when the dog let’s you hold
the paw longer. Eventually touch it
with the clipping device of choice.


5. Move on to the clipper, trimming only a
small amount at a time. Praise and be
encouraging.


6. As a nail grows in length, so does its
blood supply. A long nail cannot be
trimmed to its normal length (at one
time) without causing bleeding from the
blood vessels. If you trim an abnormally
long set of nails, trim only the
safe amount, without causing bleeding.
Repeat trimming at 7 to 10 day
intervals. During this period the blood
supply will recede so the nail may be
gradually reduced to a more comfortable
and safer length.

Clipping black nails (what to look for): videos

(dremel part is included) [video=youtube;YWOkW8wLiSk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWOkW8wLiSk[/video]

[video=youtube;673eBl5nd2g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=673eBl5nd2g[/video]

What to look for: (Ginger's nails)

Layer before the quick.jpgGinger's quicks.jpg


Before and after

Note: I didn't achieve this length after one cutting session. Her nails were very long and so were the quicks, so it took awhile to get to this point. Not to mention she was very nasty when it came to getting her nails cut: growling, biting, snapping, running away, fighting. We did a lot of counter conditioning and experimented with different approaches and positions. We no longer use a muzzle and she tolerates it as long as there is real meaty food treats. I've even quicked her more times than I liked to, but as you can see it's not the end of the world. You might have to back up with the desensitization work rather than progress.

toes twisting.jpgcurrent nails standing.jpg
 

Hector

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continued :

Hector's nails

black nail quick.jpg

Examples of long nails: Dogs | Gods Creatures (halfway down the website)

http://www.godsc.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Sabels-nails.jpg

http://www.godsc.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Dogs-Nails.jpg

overgrown nails

http://www.godsc.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/A-dog-with-heavily-overgrown-nails-p2.jpg

Some people will take their dogs to the vet and put the dog under sedation and have the vet quick all of their nails to give them a fresh start. I believe the nails are cauterized.

Things that work for me:
- red handle millers forge nail clippers
- take very small snips and keep snipping away until I see one of those layers with a cooperative dog
- teach dog to lay on their sides
- with difficult dog like Ginger, I have her sitting and bend her paw upwards so I can see the underside of her nails
- I do clip, treat, clip, treat, but with tolerant dogs like Hector, I don't reward until then end when using clippers
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
Dremel:

I'm pretty new to using a dremel. I still like clipper better. I have a dremel 3000 corded I got from Home Depot. I use a 60 grit sand drum on Hector (only dog I can use dremel on, others are still working on the clippers). There are 10 speed settings on the dremel and I use 3-4/10. I use a continuous motion to prevent the nail from getting too hot. For the sides, I go from down to up. For the top, I go from forward to back. I will also run the dremel on the underside of the nail 1-2 times.

A very good visual guide on how to use a dremel:

IGCA : Nail Care RIGHT-HANDED

More visuals:

Nail Dremeling - Luvakis Rhodesian Ridgebacks

Videos:

[video=youtube;64y9JOkT0s4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64y9JOkT0s4[/video]


[video=youtube;7cq5X8aV95E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cq5X8aV95E[/video]


[video=youtube;ApapnNQukXg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApapnNQukXg[/video]

An example of cut and dremeled vs normal (it's quite fancy)

cut and dremeled.jpg
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
continued:


For dogs that absolutely freak and just won't have it, there are alternatives: filing board or a sanding block.

For the sanding board, teach the dog a paw trick and then transfer it over to the board.

How to make a filing board: DIY Doggy File Board - YouTube

Board at 1:41

[video=youtube;6JTKrJ2sVGo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JTKrJ2sVGo[/video]

[video=youtube;u2aVnSadq58]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2aVnSadq58[/video]


Dog Nail File Board - YouTube

For a sanding block, same idea as the filing board just a smaller version that fits in your hands like a nail file. You use that on the dog's nail as you would a file. You can place the block underneath the nail while you have the nail secured and swipe the block under the nail. Try doing the motion where you have the block under the nail and then pull up under from it towards you. I haven't tried the file block yet. I got some finer grit files from the hardware store so I don't have to make any and they are cheap.



Anyone have any tips, photos, videos, articles that they found helpful, please share!

Good luck with those tough black nails!
 

Penelope's Mom

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I definitely want to try the sanding board. P hates having her feet touched, despite the fact that I have been touching and playing with them since I got her. As much as she paws at me, I think the sanding board would be a good solution for her.
 

Rugers-Kris

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Great thread! As most people on here know, I am always preaching about nail clipping. I hope everyone reads the link concerning the bad effects long nails can have on our dogs. I tried the dremel when Ruger was younger but I prefer the clippers and that is what I use and on the occasion that I have a spot that needs it, I use a file.. My boys are both bathed, brushed, ears cleaned and nails clipped weekly. The more often you do it the easier since the quick never grows out if you are doing them often. Thanks for posting. Anyone reading this expecting to get a new puppy or having just got a new one...Start early, it is so much easier.
 

QY10

Well-Known Member
I'm going to try the sanding board with Angus. He doesn't mind having his paws handled by me and will let me pick the dirt out of his nails, but when clippers are introduced, he starts growling and yelping like I'm murdering him.

Used a Dremel on Thalia and Cache today for the first time. The trim was sooooo much nicer and shorter. A plate of peanut butter and treats kept them both occupied while their nails were done.


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Oscar'sMom

Well-Known Member
Awesome thread! I've been cutting Oscar's nails but realized I wasn't cutting far enough back. I was always nervous to hit the quick! Now we've had a nail clip this morning and are happy :). Thanks Hector!
 

Catia

Well-Known Member
Thanks for this.
Despite handling Tessa's paws daily since she was 11 wks old, she freaks out when she even sees anything that even resembles nail clippers or grooming tools.
I could not even use a brush on myself in her sight til she was almost a year old...

Included her list is also anything that resembles such items: pruning tools & pliers & any brush...
Tessa was caught in a coyote trap & was traumatized before I got her, when she was about 8 wks old.
She has a hate for any items that were used on her when she was rescued.
I'm thinking when she was rescued, she was in such pain & she associates her experience with the items she saw being used on her when clippering/dematting & cleaning her up. Tessa forgets NOTHING. She still has a scar on her leg from the trap.

I have a sneaking suspicion that her dew claws were removed during that rescue time as well, because there were signs that looked like that when I adopted her.
Since she's 1/2 TM, they should have been left in place.

No amount of desensitization has fully worked, though I can now brush her without another person, but it's a long production. I can brush my own hair now in her presence, & brush the cats, but brushing her is still not at an acceptable level...

She will be 2 yrs old 1/5/14

At any rate--I highly recommend the Miller's Forge nail clippers for large/giant breed dogs & you can find them online for a good price.

Last week we did the dremel for the 1st time. She was NOT freaked out by the look or sound of it. This is because it looks nothing like the clippers.
It was still a 2 person project, with her getting treated the entire time & managed to get herself a full steak...but the experience was not near as bad as the clippers, which in her mind are surely "instruments of torture".
Clippers were sitting on the floor in full view--once I realized that, I removed the clippers--she calmed a LOT, though it's still somewhat of a wrestling match to get her to hold still, with a dremel, there's only a few seconds of contact at a time & less chance of snipping the quick.

I am having a difficult time figuring out where the length of her claws SHOULD be & have for now settled on "if I cannot hear her claws on the floor" that is good.
It's a work on progress. I don't know how short I need to go. I'd like to get them short enough that she doesn't need to be dremeled every week, but she'll have to get to the point where I can work on her longer.

Is the "I can't hear the claws on the floor" OK enough while we are trying to train the quick?

Tessa is normally very very low reactive--with everything--even fireworks, screaming children--everything except grooming.

Honestly, after almost 2 years of trying to desensitize her, I wish I could just give her a freakin valium or xanax, wait an hour, do her nails & grooming & be done with it.
As it stands now, it's a weekend project that requires another person's assistance & me being a contortionist to get it done.
She 'recovers' to absolutely normal as soon as it's done. No grudges either.
Never had a dog this stubborn or that took this long to desensitize, & I've worked with dogs for 25+ yrs.
I attribute that to the TM side of her, & the traumatic event she won't let go of.
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
I definitely want to try the sanding board. P hates having her feet touched, despite the fact that I have been touching and playing with them since I got her. As much as she paws at me, I think the sanding board would be a good solution for her.

Good luck!

Great thread! As most people on here know, I am always preaching about nail clipping. I hope everyone reads the link concerning the bad effects long nails can have on our dogs. I tried the dremel when Ruger was younger but I prefer the clippers and that is what I use and on the occasion that I have a spot that needs it, I use a file.. My boys are both bathed, brushed, ears cleaned and nails clipped weekly. The more often you do it the easier since the quick never grows out if you are doing them often. Thanks for posting. Anyone reading this expecting to get a new puppy or having just got a new one...Start early, it is so much easier.

Yep, start early.

I'm going to try the sanding board with Angus. He doesn't mind having his paws handled by me and will let me pick the dirt out of his nails, but when clippers are introduced, he starts growling and yelping like I'm murdering him.

Used a Dremel on Thalia and Cache today for the first time. The trim was sooooo much nicer and shorter. A plate of peanut butter and treats kept them both occupied while their nails were done.


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Awesome, it's a good thing to be able to trim a dog's nails.

Awesome thread! I've been cutting Oscar's nails but realized I wasn't cutting far enough back. I was always nervous to hit the quick! Now we've had a nail clip this morning and are happy :). Thanks Hector!

You're welcome!

Thanks for this.
Despite handling Tessa's paws daily since she was 11 wks old, she freaks out when she even sees anything that even resembles nail clippers or grooming tools.
I could not even use a brush on myself in her sight til she was almost a year old...

Included her list is also anything that resembles such items: pruning tools & pliers & any brush...
Tessa was caught in a coyote trap & was traumatized before I got her, when she was about 8 wks old.
She has a hate for any items that were used on her when she was rescued.
I'm thinking when she was rescued, she was in such pain & she associates her experience with the items she saw being used on her when clippering/dematting & cleaning her up. Tessa forgets NOTHING. She still has a scar on her leg from the trap.

I have a sneaking suspicion that her dew claws were removed during that rescue time as well, because there were signs that looked like that when I adopted her.
Since she's 1/2 TM, they should have been left in place.

No amount of desensitization has fully worked, though I can now brush her without another person, but it's a long production. I can brush my own hair now in her presence, & brush the cats, but brushing her is still not at an acceptable level...

She will be 2 yrs old 1/5/14

At any rate--I highly recommend the Miller's Forge nail clippers for large/giant breed dogs & you can find them online for a good price.

Last week we did the dremel for the 1st time. She was NOT freaked out by the look or sound of it. This is because it looks nothing like the clippers.
It was still a 2 person project, with her getting treated the entire time & managed to get herself a full steak...but the experience was not near as bad as the clippers, which in her mind are surely "instruments of torture".
Clippers were sitting on the floor in full view--once I realized that, I removed the clippers--she calmed a LOT, though it's still somewhat of a wrestling match to get her to hold still, with a dremel, there's only a few seconds of contact at a time & less chance of snipping the quick.

I am having a difficult time figuring out where the length of her claws SHOULD be & have for now settled on "if I cannot hear her claws on the floor" that is good.
It's a work on progress. I don't know how short I need to go. I'd like to get them short enough that she doesn't need to be dremeled every week, but she'll have to get to the point where I can work on her longer.

Is the "I can't hear the claws on the floor" OK enough while we are trying to train the quick?

Tessa is normally very very low reactive--with everything--even fireworks, screaming children--everything except grooming.

Honestly, after almost 2 years of trying to desensitize her, I wish I could just give her a freakin valium or xanax, wait an hour, do her nails & grooming & be done with it.
As it stands now, it's a weekend project that requires another person's assistance & me being a contortionist to get it done.
She 'recovers' to absolutely normal as soon as it's done. No grudges either.
Never had a dog this stubborn or that took this long to desensitize, & I've worked with dogs for 25+ yrs.
I attribute that to the TM side of her, & the traumatic event she won't let go of.

Nails are at a good length once you don't hear clicking, but honestly it's not even that big of a deal if nails are maintained on a regular basis. If nails have been overgrown for a long time, then the clicking is a big deal. How is your progress?


My co-worker's old dog. Her nails were so long they were wobbly. I couldn't believe how much I was able to snip off, maybe about 75-80%, just wow. She told me that her pet sitter did them once, but that must have been a long, long time ago or she didn't know or have the confidence to properly cut them.

DSCN2958.jpgDSCN2960.jpg
 

Oscar'sMom

Well-Known Member
Omg...poor Mojo with such long nails! I am definitely gaining confidence slowly in clipping but I just do it weekly and clip a little at a time!
 

Brinks

Well-Known Member
Love the Dremel. We bought the 7700 model & use the low setting. At first, I wasn't sure we could do it ourselves but after shelling out $65 each time at the groomers, we tried it and it its easy!
Totally agree with starting early and handing paws often- makes life easier when the pups love to be pampered. :)
 

Th0r

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I had to sneak up on Thor when he was asleep to clip his nails after he was traumatized by the groomers when he was a puppy. But for the past 3 weeks, I take the clippers and rub it gently over his face and down his body and legs and keep saying "Friend" and so far it has worked and he now doesn't bother when I clip his back nails when he is laying down. Much less resistance on the front end as well but definitely more room for improvement!
 

Hector

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Omg...poor Mojo with such long nails! I am definitely gaining confidence slowly in clipping but I just do it weekly and clip a little at a time!

Yes you have to do it to know what to look for. I'm cheering for you.

Love the Dremel. We bought the 7700 model & use the low setting. At first, I wasn't sure we could do it ourselves but after shelling out $65 each time at the groomers, we tried it and it its easy!
Totally agree with starting early and handing paws often- makes life easier when the pups love to be pampered. :)

Holy crap, $65 wtf. I'd be making bank!!

I had to sneak up on Thor when he was asleep to clip his nails after he was traumatized by the groomers when he was a puppy. But for the past 3 weeks, I take the clippers and rub it gently over his face and down his body and legs and keep saying "Friend" and so far it has worked and he now doesn't bother when I clip his back nails when he is laying down. Much less resistance on the front end as well but definitely more room for improvement!

Desensitization and counter conditioning will help the dog trust again and learn to enjoy trims. You can do it.
 

Hector

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Time for a bump, so here's a couple of really good counter conditioning videos.

This is my favorite one.

[video=youtube;gEJ4PixmWJs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEJ4PixmWJs[/video]


https://www.facebook.com/mannersmatterky/videos/869840919731875/


A couple with a grinder


[video=youtube;RBKni77UfsQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKni77UfsQ[/video]


[video=youtube;m9_PeCvPJQI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9_PeCvPJQI[/video]



If you want additional advice on training, success stories, pictures, reviews on equipment Nail Maintenance for Dogs on facebook is a great resource.
 
Old thread resurrected! I'ma go through this tomorrow but I'm posting to subscribe so i can find it again. I'm going to BED.

Then we can get back to doggie pedicures!
 

QY10

Well-Known Member
Jason and I need to go through this badly for Angus. He is terrible at having his nails trimmed because they're so thick, I imagine it's very uncomfortable for him. He hates the clippers, but hates the Dremel even more. Jason gets the job done, but not frequently enough and I cannot be in the house because Angus total feeds off my anxiety around trimming his nails.


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Hector

Well-Known Member
Oh well I guess I forgot I wasn't going to add any counter conditioning stuff here. I lied lol.

I also want to mention that sometimes just tipping the nail is not enough. Here's an example of a lady that has been consistently tipping her dog's nails, but afraid and not knowing how much to take off so overtime it became way overgrown. Luckily, most of it was just nail.

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7121548

Well-Known Member
This thread is super helpful! I'm usually only able to cut 2 nails at a time before he gets up and walks away. He hates the sound of the Dremel and won't have anything to do with it. There needs to be a muffler for that thing.

And the picture of the dog's nails in the last post--yuck! I have never seen dog nails so long!!!