How do I stud my Mastiff?

Discussion in 'General Mastiff Discussion' started by Jackson, Aug 1, 2017.

  1. Jackson

    Jackson New Member

    Marley was specifically bred to not have the folds on his face that cause health problems (one reason I wanted to pass on the gene). The paperwork from both parents proves that he is a pure breed. I find it interesting as well but he is the same size as Neo Mastiff and has the same temperament. Ill upload a different photo I apologize.
     
  2. Jackson

    Jackson New Member

  3. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    Now, he looks more Neo, but still....not. Has anyone on the Neo Forum heard of this breed variation? I've never heard of it, but, I'm more familiar with CC's.
     
  4. 7121548

    7121548 Active Member

    There is only one reputable breeder I know of in the US who breeds "working line" neos with the purpose of protection work. But even her neos have face wrinkles and heavy bones, and you'd be able to identify them as neos. I think she has posted here a couple times too.
     
  5. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    That's a lot better pic. He looks like my Gollum facially,
     
  6. marke

    marke Active Member

    he's a good looking boy , like a throwback to some of the early dogs that were used ........ neo's absolutely need the wrinkle cleared up , it is a ridiculous trait that is intentionally bred upon for for some fallacious belief ........ when i had neos the bitches were clean like him , the males not so much , but nothing like the neos you see today ........ to bad more neo folks don't see it your way , the breed has a lot to work with in the way of temperament , and i've seen a few clean typey neo males that were just as stunning a dog as there is ........ if you use your dog to breed at least health test him , nothing sadder than a puppy you know is only going to live 1-3 yrs at most and the person that produced it didn't even try to avoid it ......
     
  7. marke

    marke Active Member

    pedigrees are only as reliable as the folks breeding the dogs , there is an overabundance of folks looking to make a buck off breeding dogs , it's near impossible to responsibly breed dogs and make money off it .......
     
  8. AKBull

    AKBull Super Moderator Staff Member

    That's a much better pic, thank you. He's a very good looking boy!

    As you've read, not too many people on this board take breeding lightly, and that's for good reason. We love these dogs, are advocates for these dogs, and that's our bond. They can only protect themselves up to a point, and it's our job to take care of the rest.
    /end rant

    If you are dead set on breeding this guy, I'd suggest contacting his breeder and seeing what they suggest. It's their lines after all. IF you have "breeding rights", which is usually stated in the contract when you purchase them.

    Good luck.
     
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  9. Nik

    Nik Well-Known Member

    I agree this picture is much better. I am not used to seeing a neo without any wrinkles but I can see that this might be what they would look like with no wrinkles.

    As for breeding him. Yes definitely health test, and contact the original breeder. They should be able to mentor you through the process and often times the breeder will actually want to be the first one to use your stud service but they typically will have that in the contract and give you either first pick or second pick of litter as payment in that case. But, even if the breeder doesn't want to use your boy as a stud (especially if they don't have any unrelated females they wouldn't in that case) then they should have good suggestions from their own community regarding appropriate lines to connect with their own. Which lines should be connected together for the betterment of the breed should always be the first consideration. Showing your dog is another way to make good contacts. But, I would approach the breeder first they should be your mentor and advisor and they have already done all the research and will better know what direction they are moving the breed in.
     
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  10. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    Absolutely...thanks everyone. This dog is, for lack of a better word, gorgeous to look at, but, Neo...? No, not what people expect, and, if there was a movement within the Neo community to translate the appearance of Neopolitans to be less...medically involved because of their issues, i.e. wrinkles and eyes, etc., we'd pretty much know about it, don't you think? Oh, I could be wrong, but it's a stretch.

    I'd like to note that Glen, our Moderator in England, noted that her "Gollam", looked like your boy...however, her "Gollam" is a Cane Corso.... So, we have more questions about your boy than answers.

    Powerac's Tony, in Nova Scotia looked similar when he was a puppy...but we haven't heard from her in a while, so, I thought showing you a picture may help you start a new thought process.[​IMG]

    I can't see from her profile page whether he is CC or not...I always thought he was CC. Maybe Mary can give us some info. She's a breeder and knows all the ropes. Black Shadow Cane Corso? You're up, we need your experience and knowledge.
     
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  11. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

    Yes Tonys was a c.c, iv tried to get a pic of Gollum to show how much he looks like him. My house is full this weekend so it's near impossible.lol.
     
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  12. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    DEFINITELY CHECK YOUR CONTRACT...DO YOU HAVE BREEDING RIGHTS IN LAW!
     
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  13. 7121548

    7121548 Active Member

    And that is assuming the dog even came with a contract, or even papers.

    Here are pictures of working line neos, which aren't as overdone as other neos. http://www.mastiff-forum.com/index.php?threads/pictures-of-your-dogs.36/page-65#post-372974 They have fewer wrinkles than the depressing, overly typy neos, yet they are still obviously neos. I think that's the least amount of wrinkles you will see from a reputable breeder. (I wish she checked the forums more often because she knows her stuff when it comes to neos.)

    Unfortunately, I don't think many people looking for a neo would be interested in a dog without wrinkles. And if they wanted a dog without wrinkles, they wouldn't be looking at neos.
     
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  14. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    You are a Star in the Firmament, Glen.... We will enjoy the photos when they arrive.

    Have a look at my new post, about starting a nation/worldwide info system for our Mastiffs in Need? We're Halfway There...Let's do it!
     
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  15. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    I actually think he looks quite a bit like Teodora's girls. Unfortunately none of her pictures seem to be working so I can't go back and look.
     
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  16. marke

    marke Active Member

    I think the hardest trait to get I see on this dog is the tight eyes .... I think on a 5 yr old male neo , the tight eyes I see in the first pic would be very difficult to get in a purebred dog , I think the trait is at minimum very rare if non-existent...... it's hard to get tight eyes in a female ddb without at least a small fold ,and ddb as a breed is on average less wrinkled than this dog ... cane corsos are notoriously fraudulently pedigreed , neos are commonly used as a cross ... the dog is also rather snipey for a male neo .......... given health tested , and the dog is registered , I see "reputable" neo breeders doing more harm to the breed than breeding this dog would be ....
     
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  17. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    Sorry for the delay, things are a little crazy here at the moment. Tony is a CC (PowerGC's dog) and does have a bit more of a throw back to his father/grandfather with his head type. His sister is in my profile picture so you can see the variation between the two. Your male does have less wrinkle and does look similar to many corso that one can see out there these days. Less wrinkles on a Neo would be a good thing, but it is only one factor to consider when breeding as it in itself is not a prime reason to breed.

    Breeding is not for the faint of heart. If you want to be taken seriously and be a credit to you breed then you need to understand your standard and evaluate your dog against it, know his faults and strengths so that when looking at females you are aware of the best matches. No dog is perfect but it does no good to any breed to be blind to the negatives as well as the positives of any dog.

    I am not fully aware of the health issues that exist as a problem with Neos but I would check with the AKC or your breed club to know what health testing is recommended, but I would assume it would be at least hips and elbows in a large breed.

    This will be what responsible breeders will be looking for in the breed, and those are the ones you want to work with. Not just anyone coming at you with $$.

    Then comes the hard part, finding appropriate homes for the pups to ensure they are well taken care of and don't become a statistic for the breed. This is the most nerve wracking and if you are doing it right the worry never goes away.
     
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  18. Belmas

    Belmas Member

    Your dog is beautiful by the way, but I have to agree with everyone else he doesn't look like a full blood Neo. My first male Neo was any overly wrinkled one who unfortunately couldn't move very well. When I got my next Neo who is now 4 yrs, I researched breeders and for a more athletic type Neo. He is very athletic nothing like my first one. He is 185 lb yet can jump into the back of a pickup and can run for quite a long distance, but he is still somewhat wrinkled in the body and very much wrinkled in the face so he still fits the standard of the Neo. I love Neos and have had 4 as pets he is by far the best because he is less wrinkled and can function as a normal dog. It's too bad that more breeders don't breed a slightly less wrinkled more athletic Neo.
     
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  19. glen

    glen Super Moderator Staff Member

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