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Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stomach*

jcook

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Thanks mike, I just looked it up and will be keeping an eye out.
I'm writing a list of things I want to talk to the vet about and that will be on there.

I'm not aggressive person, but cwayaustx, if you are insinuating that I am not capable of feeding my dog a well balanced raw diet, then I suggest you stop commenting on this thread. You have no idea what lengths I have gone to feed Stella a good diet. You have no idea what I feed her. I am embarrassed to say how much I spoil her. She eats better than I do and I have talked to sooo many people who feed raw and I am very confident that i am not "feeding her wrong".
 

angelbears

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Stress is a common cause of diarrhea. Stress is also a trigger for Giardia. Giardia is very hard to diagnose. Here is a link that will shed more light on Giardia:

http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0119.htm

IMO, I would demand that my vet rule out Giardia and go from there.
 

kbuchanan66

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

I'm not sure whats required to diagnose IBS for a dog, for my old cat they said they saw signs of it on her ultrasound (when they looked at her kidneys, they looked at her intestines and pancreaus too). She never really had diarrhea problems from it though.

I DO think that its gone on, intermittently, long enough that its worth looking a little deeper. Giardia test definetly, mention IBS (its worth finding out what tests would need to be done anyway), and Mike makes a point about the discharge and watching for any other signs....I'm probly forgetting something lol
My thought with IBS is that usually the swelling is bad enough that it causes pain. However if it is a milder case maybe it is not bothering her enough to tell you. Or like I have heard from other Mastiffs don't tend to show pain or have a higher pain tolerance. I am pretty sure the Vet would be able to tell if the Intestinal Tract was swollen in an X-ray.
 

jcook

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

The reason I posted this thread was because Stella has NEVER had diarrhea that looked like that. I know what her diarrhea looked like when she got too much organ. I know what it looks like when she eats pork. I know what it looked like when she had coccida, but this one was totally different so I thought maybe some of you could tell me what type of illness or issue usually results in this particular type of diarrhea. Like Ruth said, if it was me not feeding her properly I would expect more consistency in the diarrhea. Also more day to day issues.

I am definitely demanding the giardia testing tomorrow. My aunt and uncles new dog had it when they got him about 2 months ago, Stella has been there and played in the yard several times and was there the day before the diarrhea. Not sure how long it lasts in the yard but I just thought id mention that.
 

ruthcatrin

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

I believe giardia can last a long time in the environment, from what I was reading yesterday.
 

DennasMom

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

My sister's in the San Fran area (east of the bay) and she hikes with her dog in the mts there all the time... she also has recurring issues with giardia, so that could very well be it.

I didn't know it was a special fecal test, though. Good to know.
Hope you find the culprit soon!
 

Amanda F.

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Poor Stella! I hope you can get it figured out soon. I know how frustrating it can be to go through the same thing over and over with no real answers. Hugs to you and Stella!
 

jcook

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Thanks everyone,
They had a cancellation at the vet so I was able to get an appointment for tomorrow at 9am!! I am so stoked, its hard to get an appointment with the vet I like and schedule it around my classes.

Anyways, she seems 100% today, which is good but also frustrating because it makes it harder to understand what caused diarrhea for just one night.

Tomorrow I am bringing in a stool and urine sample. Getting her checked for (1) giardia (2) asking about IBS possibilities (3) asking whether blood work should be done (4) possibility of pyometra

I have a list of everything I fed her the past 10 days that I will bring, as well as a record of when she has had diarrhea in the past 2-3 months.
 

Smart_Family

Dog Food Guru
Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Let's keep it all peace, love and indifference y'all. Hope you get some answers jcook.
 

Sadies Mom

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

This sound very familiar. I had the same issue with Sadie, with diarrhea and soft serve stool at best. I would go for a CBC. If everything is normal, at least you will have a base line for her. I had a GI test done on Sadie that checks the bacteria growth in the GI tract. You might ask about that also. The only thing I have figured out with Sadie is that she is lactose intolerant, she can not have any processed anything and fruit sugars are bad for her too. I sure hope you figure it out and that Stella feels better soon. Keep us posted.
 

mx5055

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Thanks everyone,
They had a cancellation at the vet so I was able to get an appointment for tomorrow at 9am!! I am so stoked, its hard to get an appointment with the vet I like and schedule it around my classes.

Anyways, she seems 100% today, which is good but also frustrating because it makes it harder to understand what caused diarrhea for just one night.

Tomorrow I am bringing in a stool and urine sample. Getting her checked for (1) giardia (2) asking about IBS possibilities (3) asking whether blood work should be done (4) possibility of pyometra

I have a list of everything I fed her the past 10 days that I will bring, as well as a record of when she has had diarrhea in the past 2-3 months.

Good luck! Please let us know what the vet says :)
 

thelady_v2010

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

can't wait to hear what the vet says, I hope it is an easy fix!
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Im going to make a suggestion here because to me this poor dog is suffering with some sort of 'illness' on and off, and IMO more on that off for quite some time. JCook, go through all your posts about her health, make a list of everything she has had wrong with her from the day you got her and take that to the vet, put it under his nose and ask him to get to work. If you cant get in to your vet for lack of available appointments then find another vet. Its all well and good us thinking it could be this or it could be that but we are not vets, we have experience yes but vets no. Put as much work in to this as to writing your posts, get your girl the help she deserves. Now you may not like me for this and I am cool with that, your dog is what interests me and like I said IMO she needs to get sorted out once and for all. It may the the raw, it may not but what ever the cause the best thing you can do for her is get some solid information behind you, her sickness history and present her case.
 

dsmith91163

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

My puppy had giardia and his poop did not look like that is was more like soft ice cream with bloody mucus ..do you think if you went back to kibble and get her poop firm and then start out slowly and only one kind of raw food to see what does not agree with her...I know I just found out that my Neo can not have chicken ..I changed his food to a chicken kibble and his poop was water..so I stopped the new food and he was still half new and half old and went back to only old and his poop is firm again...but I also add pumpkin to his a.m. feeding .. and I had a parvo puppy 2 and his poop was different more pink mucus nothing like that and he would not eat or drink and only sleep ..I hope you figure it out soon It would drive me to drink...good luck .I hope she feels better soon
 

ruthcatrin

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

She had intermittent diarrhea on kibble too. I honestly think theres something else going on at this point.

Ditto the idea of putting together a list of what happened and when to bring in with you, maybe the vet needs to see it all together.
 

jcook

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Well of course Stella was acting 100% better yesterday, I fed her a normal raw meal last night and today her poop was fine, no straining, no blood, no mucous, and solid.

I didnt realize how difficult it would be to get a urine sample, so I didnt get that in there today, but here is the plan the vet and I have.

first, he is doing a routine fecal as well as testing for Girdia and something else (i forget right now). I am supposed to call them in about an hour for the results.

*side note* he is not dismissing this as a concern, but since she appears to be in great physical health and she is absorbing the nutrients in the food he is not concerned about there being something very serious going on.

He says he sees girdia a lot, so he wants to rule that out before we go to the next step.

He said the next step, if her fecal is totally normal, will be blood work and urine.

Then he had a few things he said he would want to do next if the blood work was fine.

He did ask as to why I feed her different proteins because I told him everything I fed her in the 10 days prior to the diarrhea. which was about 40% chicken 60% red meat (mainly beef, with occasional rabbit and lamb). I feed her some grass fed beef and some beef that you find at the grocery store. all her organs she gets are from organic, grass fed lamb and beef. The lamb and rabbit are Stella and Chewys brand. I also supplement with salmon oil and yogurt. I dont give the oil when I fed the grass fed beef because it apparently has higher amounts of omegas. He was wondering if switching the proteins like that could be causing an issue, but I was under the impression that the variety was supposed to prevent issues like allergies and whatnot??....

He was not concerned about the heart worm medication i skipped and openly said he doesnt give it to his dogs religiously.

I did just get her a really great probiotic blend and diatomaceous earth which I will be starting tomorrow.

I told him I gave her some raw goats milk and he suggested that I avoid dairy. I would like others thoughts on this because Ive heard there are many benefits to it, but I am not opposed to not giving it to her, oh and I gave her goats milk after the diarrhea so it couldnt have caused the episode we had on Monday.

@ Dsmith91193 - The last time she had diarrhea I actually did something similar to what you suggested. Instead of kibble though I gave her rice and boiled chicken for 3 days. Then I gave her raw chicken for three days (which she did fine on), I then added in some beef (again, she did fine), then I tried a meal of pork and her stool the next morning was softer and had some mucous, so I decided to cut pork out of her diet.

edit: I asked about the discharge after she pees and he says that some after peeing is normal. And i have been checking her area frequently and it only will have a little bit if she had just peed.
 
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DMikeM

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Pork and dairy can upset stomachs, too much heart or liver can cause upsets. My dogs eat mostly chicken and ground beef. I try to get some fish or beef or pork in at least once a week. They didn't eat any kibble for the last 2 weeks but then last night they knocked on the kibble bin which means we want some of this. So they had 1 cup each but Jade skipped it. Once in awhile Duncan or Dozer will get a soft stool after pork but never from chicken or beef. Also I stopped the yogurt and moved to cottage cheese as none of them liked it. If I had access to rabbit and lamb they would get more of it but our local stores only carry expensive cuts of lamb, and I never see the rabbit anymore. I hope to hunt some bunnies soon though.
 

ruthcatrin

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

I rotate proteins cause they all contain slightly different percentages of nutrients. But I suppose a trial of say chicken only for a couple months wouldn't be the end of the world if he thinks the rotating proteins might be part of the problem (if so she's unusual as most of the raw feeders I've talked to rotate to varying degrees).

Some dogs ARE lactose intolerant, which can cause diarrhea, but its generally a pretty straight corrolation, dairy is fed and then there's diarrhea.
 

jcook

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

Pork and dairy can upset stomachs, too much heart or liver can cause upsets. My dogs eat mostly chicken and ground beef. I try to get some fish or beef or pork in at least once a week. They didn't eat any kibble for the last 2 weeks but then last night they knocked on the kibble bin which means we want some of this. So they had 1 cup each but Jade skipped it. Once in awhile Duncan or Dozer will get a soft stool after pork but never from chicken or beef. Also I stopped the yogurt and moved to cottage cheese as none of them liked it. If I had access to rabbit and lamb they would get more of it but our local stores only carry expensive cuts of lamb, and I never see the rabbit anymore. I hope to hunt some bunnies soon though.

I have been giving her a tablespoon of yogurt a day for about the last month. She loves it! lol its how i get her to eat the powdered organ blend on days that I dont feed the raw organs (i just mix it with the yogurt). I gave her too much liver one time and that was a very distinct diarrhea ha. I am very exact with the portions I have been feeding her, and I always round down with liver and organs out of the fear of feeding her too much, i even switched her training treats from dehydrated liver to dehydrated chicken breast.

Im so jealous that you can rotate between kibble and raw! I tried that before... awful gas lol
 

DMikeM

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Re: Here we go again...*warning graphic pics of stool, not for those with a weak stom

I have been giving her a tablespoon of yogurt a day for about the last month. She loves it! lol its how i get her to eat the powdered organ blend on days that I dont feed the raw organs (i just mix it with the yogurt). I gave her too much liver one time and that was a very distinct diarrhea ha. I am very exact with the portions I have been feeding her, and I always round down with liver and organs out of the fear of feeding her too much, i even switched her training treats from dehydrated liver to dehydrated chicken breast.

Im so jealous that you can rotate between kibble and raw! I tried that before... awful gas lol

My older dogs are very tolerant of the mix. Jade was a problem while she was a puppy. So we went straight to raw and cut out the kibble. Now she is good and only occasionally eats kibble. None of these 3 dogs have had gas problems a random toot once in awhile is all, probably from dug up old chicken or bones. But Jade let one go one time and sent me right out the door. Had to turn on the fans and spray the Fabreeze. Never knew what she ate but I pray it never happens again.