Fila puppyy??

[allsierra123]

Reputable I dare say does not equate better. But I am no authority on the subject. And I think a lot of the reputable kennels have a bit of a god complex when it comes to pups. And I think the dog community as a whole are a snobby lot. But that's just me.....

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[bw68]

I know what you are saying Black Shadow, but everyone here has just one way of thinking and these other pups need someone to take care of them also. Not all breeders who advertise a different way are bad and I just want to tell my story for a different view and perspective.

 

[raechiemay]

bw, yes all dogs deserve good homes regardless of where they come from, unfortunately in this day & age it doesn't happen that way. Maybe in a perfect world.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Well you know what I was getting at but let me say it again, if you saw a TM that fit all your criteria for what you were looking for wouldn't you call and talk to this person?? Even if it was a newspaper ad?

Unless you put a WHOLE HECK of a lot more information into your craigslist/newspaper ads than I have EVER seen listed? Not a chance in hell. From a breeders website, or via a breed club's site, there is usually enough information given for me to look up the breeder, look up the parents in detail, look up any other offspring from tjose parents, look up the grandparents.....if that info ISN'T immedietly availible from those places I'm going to wonder why, and the assumptions aren't going to be nice ones.

 

[mountainfila]

I still would like to know you "reputable breeders" how and were you pre-sell your super-duper out of this world quality pups??? If you don't advertise.

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Unless you put a WHOLE HECK of a lot more information into your craigslist/newspaper ads than I have EVER seen listed? Not a chance in hell. From a breeders website, or via a breed club's site, there is usually enough information given for me to look up the breeder, look up the parents in detail, look up any other offspring from tjose parents, look up the grandparents.....if that info ISN'T immedietly availible from those places I'm going to wonder why, and the assumptions aren't going to be nice ones.

So what about breeders that are not Internet savy, you wouldn't call and talk to them, does nobody talk to each other anymore? The average joe does not care about that stuff you said, the just want a dog, they are not super dog weirdos like us lol, they pretty much don't care about pedigrees and show titles or even health testing and most of them are good stable homes.

 

[mountainfila]

Unless you put a WHOLE HECK of a lot more information into your craigslist/newspaper ads than I have EVER seen listed? Not a chance in hell. From a breeders website, or via a breed club's site, there is usually enough information given for me to look up the breeder, look up the parents in detail, look up any other offspring from tjose parents, look up the grandparents.....if that info ISN'T immedietly availible from those places I'm going to wonder why, and the assumptions aren't going to be nice ones.

So what about breeders that are not Internet savy, you wouldn't call and talk to them, does nobody talk to each other anymore? The average joe does not care about that stuff you said, the just want a dog, they are not super dog weirdos like us lol, they pretty much don't care about pedigrees and show titles or even health testing and most of them are good stable homes.

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Unless you put a WHOLE HECK of a lot more information into your craigslist/newspaper ads than I have EVER seen listed? Not a chance in hell. From a breeders website, or via a breed club's site, there is usually enough information given for me to look up the breeder, look up the parents in detail, look up any other offspring from tjose parents, look up the grandparents.....if that info ISN'T immedietly availible from those places I'm going to wonder why, and the assumptions aren't going to be nice ones.

So what about breeders that are not Internet savy, you wouldn't call and talk to them, does nobody talk to each other anymore? The average joe does not care about that stuff you said, the just want a dog, they are not super dog weirdos like us lol, they pretty much don't care about pedigrees and show titles or even health testing and most of them are good stable homes.

 

[mountainfila]

Unless you put a WHOLE HECK of a lot more information into your craigslist/newspaper ads than I have EVER seen listed? Not a chance in hell. From a breeders website, or via a breed club's site, there is usually enough information given for me to look up the breeder, look up the parents in detail, look up any other offspring from tjose parents, look up the grandparents.....if that info ISN'T immedietly availible from those places I'm going to wonder why, and the assumptions aren't going to be nice ones.

So what about breeders that are not Internet savy, you wouldn't call and talk to them, does nobody talk to each other anymore? The average joe does not care about that stuff you said, the just want a dog, they are not super dog weirdos like us lol, they pretty much don't care about pedigrees and show titles or even health testing and most of them are good stable homes.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Well first off the average joe SHOULD care because it affects the health and lifespan of potential dog. And really honestly your average joe shouldn't be owning a Fila if they don't wish to do research.

With Fila's I don't know, but I've seen repeatedly mentioned on here that many of the best don't do more than word of mouth.

For most breeds there IS a breed club, and MOST breed clubs have breeder listings for people to look through to find a breeder close to them, its part of being a member and registered breeder with the club, no internet savvy required, and some will even allow you to advertise with them on their website.

 

[Smart_Family]

If someone is that interested in finding a pup they do research. They go to dog shows and ask around and by word of mouth or meeting the breeder at a show find the breeder that way. Or as mentioned they go thru a breed club. We can argue this as all day as many other things but there is still this old school way of doing things, rather than jumping on Craigslist and finding a pup. Not to mention many dogs I've seen "rescued" from ads on Craigslist end up surrendered to shelters because people get so concerned about not missing out on a good deal that they impulse buy and don't think the decision to bring a dog home through first.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

My "problem" is people try to create a checklist of a "reputable breeder" as the ten commandments. If fact those breeders that stress the "ten commandments" are the dirtiest people in the breed. To me a reputable breeder is not always going to be as black & white as people try to put it. Some "good" breeders do use "second hand" advertisement, even if they do I don't see the issue. My biggest issue and concern is the welfare and health of the animals. If breeders are breeding for $$$$ that should be a dead given as to where their proprieties lie. Everything else for me is tic for tac. IMHO. Gotta love dog politics.

 

[Smart_Family]

That's what I never say all reputable bleeders. There are exceptions to everything.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Oh no please don't think I am directing my statement towards anyone, this is just what I've learned through my experience. In other words don't be a sucker, LOL. If it doesn't make sense chances are its not "right."

 

[ruthcatrin]

I think my biggest MUST HAVE for buying a pup is health testing. From there things go depending on a variety of factors, for example I don't HAVE to have both parents with championships for example, but I'd want to know why the parent in question doesn't (unless we're talking working dogs, then its a whole different set of requirements) and I'd expect the grandparents to have their championships.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Ruth exactly HEALTH and TEMP, all the other components is just a matter of the individuals. Unfortunately "cultist/elite members" direct "new comers" to the "ten commandments" of reputable breeders.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I still would like to know you "reputable breeders" how and were you pre-sell your super-duper out of this world quality pups??? If you don't advertise.

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So what about breeders that are not Internet savy, you wouldn't call and talk to them, does nobody talk to each other anymore? The average joe does not care about that stuff you said, the just want a dog, they are not super dog weirdos like us lol, they pretty much don't care about pedigrees and show titles or even health testing and most of them are good stable homes.

Regardless of breed they usually create a website for their dogs, showing accomplishments, pedigrees, the dogs, information on the breed, the standard, links that are important to their breed, etc. That is where they advertise their litters and dogs they have available, or on their breed club site if it is permitted. They also tend to have an application process for one of their puppies that is the start of the information gathering for prospective puppy owners. From there, phone interviews are conducted and a relationship established usually before the puppies have even hit the ground. Do all breeders do this? Nope there are some breeders that still think the only way to do things is word of mouth and a handshake but in the world we live in most aren't willing to trust that people will hold true to their word. Whether they care or not at the time of purchase you can bet they are going to care if something goes wrong and you didn't provide that info to start. Sure we talk to people all the time, I get plenty of calls just for general information on the breed that I deal with, most times it isn't even from people that plan to get a puppy any time soon. Thus is the nature of the beast and although I am sure if you ask my boyfriend he would wish I would take less calls it is what it is.

My "problem" is people try to create a checklist of a "reputable breeder" as the ten commandments. If fact those breeders that stress the "ten commandments" are the dirtiest people in the breed. To me a reputable breeder is not always going to be as black & white as people try to put it. Some "good" breeders do use "second hand" advertisement, even if they do I don't see the issue. My biggest issue and concern is the welfare and health of the animals. If breeders are breeding for $$$$ that should be a dead given as to where their proprieties lie. Everything else for me is tic for tac. IMHO. Gotta love dog politics.

You are right there is no check list, you list might be different than mine and a working owner might have a different list than both of ours. You are also right some of the worst breeders are the ones that you see everywhere but that is why it is important to research. Get to know your breed of choice, get involved in the community first before getting your puppy. Join some of the boards for the breed even if it is to do nothing more than to sit and listen. It is amazing what you learn/figure out when you just sit and listen. That being said there are some basic things that anyone that is breeding or planning to breed should do not matter what is on your check list or mine and the ones that for the most part on places like CL or Kijiji aren't doing these basic things. I don't have a problem with people using second hand advertising to direct people to their website where information is readily available on the breed and all important information should be in regards to their dogs, litters, puppy application, etc. but sites like CL and Kijiji do not allow those types of posts (at least they didn't before but maybe they have changed), you have to be advertising a litter or something on there to link to you site.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

You are right there is no check list, you list might be different than mine and a working owner might have a different list than both of ours. You are also right some of the worst breeders are the ones that you see everywhere but that is why it is important to research. Get to know your breed of choice, get involved in the community first before getting your puppy. Join some of the boards for the breed even if it is to do nothing more than to sit and listen. It is amazing what you learn/figure out when you just sit and listen. That being said there are some basic things that anyone that is breeding or planning to breed should do not matter what is on your check list or mine and the ones that for the most part on places like CL or Kijiji aren't doing these basic things. I don't have a problem with people using second hand advertising to direct people to their website where information is readily available on the breed and all important information should be in regards to their dogs, litters, puppy application, etc. but sites like CL and Kijiji do not allow those types of posts (at least they didn't before but maybe they have changed), you have to be advertising a litter or something on there to link to you site.

Mary I agree, and it was because I did get involved in "my" breed that did learn the "truth." Thus I spent my time researching other sites as well, from different breeds, interests, etc. I gathered pieces of information and applied each to my own thoughts and beliefs. Before I was gullible and believed EVERYTHING that the "elite" spewed after all they came highly recommended, so they couldn't be wrong, right? So what was I ( being new )to believe. It was when I started THINKING and asking questions did I run into such friction, ( again usually from the elite). I don't even visit "my" own dog forums because I can't stand petty politics and crap they feed to new comers. I agree that there are some basic information that people to know/learn/or get help ( mentor who shares their ideas) if they want to get more involved. CL doesn't allow puppy advertisements any post that has them is flagged. I don't know to much about kijiji, but there have been instances to where kijiji ads were hot-linked to a local newspaper site. At least that was my experience when I was looking for rentals, I don't know if that still goes on now. Again personally I don't see anything wrong with breeders using "second hand sites" , others do and that's ok.

 

[chuckorlando]

Once all things are considered, all things being equal, I dont think it matters where one finds their breeder. As long as their's a market there will be byb. There will always be folks looking for a wide range of prices. It sounds good to say folks should not have xyz if they cant afford it. But world peace would be the way to live life. Theory and reality dont mesh. Some of the best dogs in the world comes from some dudes back yard and some of the worst from a fancy web site. I'm pretty sure MF has some nice dogs. I'm pretty sure lions den dont.

Again, all things considered, I dont think it matters

 

[HayleyMarie]

So I got a reply from the owner and what I suspected is true. The Owners are the original breeder of the puppy. And owns both parents.

 

[joshuagough]

We got our pup from a news paper Ad, he wasn't health tested. We spent time with the owners and with both of his parents. He's turned out to be pretty top notch in our book, very well mannered with no health issues. Both the parents and pups are all AKC registered.

The only difference I see in CL, News Ads and Kennel websites is the cost of the pup. The quality of the dog is no greater. It might come from a show line but that doesn't make for a better pet. I've read countless stories of health tested pups that end up with all kind of issues. I don't think that discredits the testing but I don't know that the asking price of some of the kennels are justified either.

 

[jcook]

I think you can find a good quality pup that does not come from an actual breeder. But for me that is different than a BYB. When I think of BYB I think of someone just pumping out pups for money. No regard for the health of the dogs. I think our english bulldog is from a BYB. He is actually a fairly healthy dog. But I feel like we good lucky. As a matter of fact, the first pup my boyfriend got (same breeder as our current dog) had horrible horrible airways and the dog choked to death on its kibble at 7 months of age.

Now, do I think this could have happened if he with through a reputable breeder, instead of a BYB that sold its pups to a puppy store? yes. But I think it would be less likely, and I think a reputable breeder would care more. Since the pet store sold him the dogs my boyfriend never actually got to meet the parents or speak with the breeder. There was no real health guarantee. For me it is obvious that the breeder was breeding for looks (the really pushed in nose is highly desired) but it is that really pushed in nose that leads to more breathing problems.

Sampson also has seizures and allergies. so I wouldnt say he is a totally healthy dog. But he isnt the worst bulldog I've ever met in regards to health.

They way i see it is there is always expectations to the rule. You can get an awesome dog from a BYB or breeder that sells there dogs on CL. You can also get a less than perfect dog from a reputable breeder. But for me it is all about risk aversion. There is some research that says drinking a glass of wine during you last trimester is not harmful. But do I want to take that risk? no.

And having a nice website does not make a breeder a reputable breeder. As someone else mentioned on here, it was after extensive research that I was able to better recognize the quality of a breeder. I still could have been wrong about some, but I think for the most part I could tell when the true interest of the breeder was in the dog/breed not the money.

Its not the testing itself that makes all the difference but for me its the fact that the breeders take the time and effort and they try to eliminate as many risks as possible. The breeder I got my dog from was showing me several pictures of his dogs, he sent me a picture of this gorgeous boy, I asked when he was breeding him. He told me that he wasnt breeding him ever because he has bad hips. That guy could have totally bred that dog and produced some really amazing looking dogs, but he didn't! For me that was a big deal.

I feel like buying a dog is a big deal, I only want to support those who really care about the dogs. I feel like if a breeder is a really good breeder then they dont need to post on CL or sites like that. Buts that just my opinion.