Fila Brasileiro

Ghostsword · Mar 17, 2012

Great thread, and valid points put up about breed vs type.

Actually in Brazil and Portugal black dogs are valued for house guarding and brindle dogs for hunting or cattle work.

The Fila Sao Miguel, a medium size dog is not actually related to portuguese dogs but to nordic dogs. Odd that.

I believe that the Fila is still developing as a breed and you will see different types, same a you see with the Akita Inu and the American Akita.

I would prefer a black fila or brindle.

and I believe that the dog properly trained an in tune with the handler can be a suburban dog.

Remember that in Its original form the dog needed work the the farm hands and know the difference between friend and foe.

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chuckorlando · Mar 17, 2012

My great grand mother was 100% American Indian. You ask me what race my son is, he's white. When I look at 2 fila parents and a pup they has a recessed gene from god knows where, the pup is a fila. I'm not saying there is or aint something else there cause I dont know. But the short answer to tht question is she's a fila. Just like the short answer to my son is he's white. I make no mention of the asian on my wifes side, the indian on my side, he's a cracker.

Just because a group or person say's something that sounds great, does'nt mean anyone who hears it should just say your right. I dont know if anyone has said your wrong. But every person reading this thread would be a damn fool to just throw their hands up on blind faith. It aint that people dont get it, or understand, or cant comprehend. We all understand what your saying. But short of EXTENSIVE home work in various areas. Least of which would be info provided by either camp, you would be a fool to just say good enough. You would also be a fool to expect anyone to say oh this aint a fila cause 2yrs ago, 10yrs ago, 20yrs ago or maybe 80yrs ago there might have been something in the mix. That would not in any way make your point less valid if it is fact. But thats splitting hairs in many cases. You can look at pic after pic on here of every breed and many dont fit any kinda standard. Be it color, size, or what have you. That dont mean someone will just say my pup that came from two EM is a mutt. They dont really care if a neo got into it the mix 50yrs ago. It came from two EM that look proper.

You have very valid points. But you simply cannot expect people to just except it as gosiple. Even if it is. Believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear.

Ghostsword · Mar 17, 2012

What makes a Fila a Fila?

I look at a dig that has the black and tan markings, a short strong muzzle, muscle body and a bit of a wavy coat and I can deduce that it is a rotweiler. if it is lanky and tall, athletic looking with a short coat I would think that it was a doberman.

Tall and long, deep chest, large rectangular head, white with black patches and I would say it may be a great dane.

Do we have to look at the standard to say what is a Fila? I do not know the answer to this question, never looked into the Fila breed. I know that they are usually tan or brindle, droppy lips an ears, muscular and tall. Like a cross of a bloodhound and a great dane. But that is all I know.

If the standard is what separates a breed from a dog, and yours does not match the standard... Then you got a dog, not a Fila. But why would that matter?

Too much importance is given to breed type and standards.

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Kelly · Mar 17, 2012

I think it's important when you make your decision on which dog to breed to further the lines. If you're not breeding them, it doesn't matter so long as you get the dog you want and you love the dog you get.

Tiger, I think maybe you misunderstood what I was saying too. Or maybe we just disagree.

Im of the school that each breed should only have one type, and that's what makes a breed unique. Otherwises they're a "Fila type" mastiff, or "Corso type" Mastiff.

dogman#1 · Mar 17, 2012

Im not telling anyone to take this as gospel, I have stated over and over to do research on your own and to NOT believe breeders, even me. The stuff about breed Vs type...there is no argument about that unless you are calling Puerto Rican street dogs (Satos) a breed...

Why it matters to get a dog that fits a standard is that it is what you paid for...imagine if a want a rotti and when it grows up it ends up looking like a lab...Im gonna be pissed off. i wanted a freaking rotti not a lab. I wouldnt give 2 craps if the breeder told me both parents were rotties obviously she/he either lied to me or the breeder of her dogs lied to her but either way they are not Rotties. I definitely wouldnt be going on boards and so on and telling everyone to get this "new variant" of the rottie and i wouldnt be blind and try to make my dog fit the standard that it obviously doesnt. When I see people doing that the phrase that comes to mind is "misery loves company". If owning a dog that fit a standard was not important to you then why attempt to get a purebred dog? get a mutt, make believe it does everything the other breed does and tell everyone what a better animal it is then the original. What I am saying is not my opinion, it has been documented by the breeders of the non CAFIB dogs, the president of the registry and he vice president of their governing body...You can believe your breeder when they tell you your dog is pure but you cant believe them when they tell you that your dog is not pure???? I guess there is really nothing else to say then is there except that i have a bridge that I want to sell you.

Dogue · Mar 17, 2012

the bridge is located in Alaska and it leads to nowhere.

chuckorlando · Mar 17, 2012

And here in lies the issue with every thread involving a conversation with cafib that I've read to date. It goes from educational to D baggy at some point.

Well played.

BlackShadowCaneCorso · Mar 17, 2012

Wow discussions like this bring back memories

It is a great discussion and I thank you all for it... I love to learn even if it isn't about my breed.

allsierra123 · Mar 17, 2012

Kelly said:
I think it's important when you make your decision on which dog to breed to further the lines. If you're not breeding them, it doesn't matter so long as you get the dog you want and you love the dog you get.

Tiger, I think maybe you misunderstood what I was saying too. Or maybe we just disagree. Im of the school that each breed should only have one type, and that's what makes a breed unique. Otherwises they're a "Fila type" mastiff, or "Corso type" Mastiff.

I get that but on the same note the type would be mastiff. Within the group most the breeds are related. Some very closely related and you will have a certain amount of inbreeding within the type. Thats how all these breeds came about. You have a certain type of dog some guy gets one that he likes and it may be for his color stature or demeanor but it was something he decided for who knows what reason. So he starts breeding those. Well a few people see them and they think they like them too. But you got joe blow over here who has the same type dog doing the same job. but he likes it to look a certain way or a certain color. So he starts breeding his dogs and says see mine are better, mine are this color or that color and can do this just like yours only better. Either side ya get on they both argue and fight just as hard. But what neither of them realize the dogs they both started with came out of the same litter and have the same parentage. doesn't matter what the breed the type the history for every guy that says his are right there just as many saying there wrong. and vise versa. It is a subject that I dont mind reading about though.

Dogue · Mar 17, 2012

BlackShadowCaneCorso said:
Wow discussions like this bring back memories It is a great discussion and I thank you all for it... I love to learn even if it isn't about my breed.

I agree BlackShadowCaneCorso. Everyone did an awesome job contributing to this thread. We need more! Next topic? How about the Corsi? I'll think of something to get everyone riled up, lol.

dogman#1 · Mar 18, 2012

chuckorlando said:
And here in lies the issue with every thread involving a conversation with cafib that I've read to date. It goes from educational to D baggy at some point.

Well played.

I cant imagine why,,,I get one guys saying "well if my dog is a mutt then so is yours" and I get another guy calling me a "douche bag"...cant imagine why it gets all screwed up but then that is exactly why you guys throw in those monkey wrenches at pivotal points of the conversation, huh?I am guessing in about 2-3 posts I will get one that says "you see, they claim to be all about education when in reality all they want to do is make us feel stupid"...sorry guys, not biting this time. call me a douchebag all you want but I'm not taking the bait. instead of playing that tactic why dont you go and post the letter from the CBKC president that tells of the mix breeding or why dont you post the letter from Canil Borghetto of the countless bastardations that they created and sold to breeders in the United States? or maybe you can call me names untill I retaliate and then scream victim...I'm not that guy anymore, I learned from your kinds past shenanigans. and now back to education.

chuckorlando · Mar 18, 2012

Bait. hahaha. Really dude. If you were understanding anything I've typed, I try my best to remain neutral. But now I'm the CKBC just trying to make YOU feell stupid. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I never called you a D bag. I said every thread I read that involved your group in this conversation, turn D-baggy. If my intent was to call you a name there would be zero speculation required on your part. I think you both have done a fine job till your last few post.

But regardless if I in any way offended you, it was'nt my intent. So I appologize to you both for anything I said that you took wrong.

dogman#1 · Mar 18, 2012

I guess that is the problem with the written word...it doesnt show emotion so one is left to their own devices to figure out intention. I guess douche bag can be taken in multiple ways that I was not aware of....back to education...

Here are some links that I thought were very good:

First one is very good and well put together
http://www.cao-filabrasileiro.com/#!__ingles-fila-brasileiro

This next link has ALOT of old stuff in it...hard to navigate through and most of it in portuguese
http://www.thefilabrasileiro.com/showthread.php/303-Excellent-link

chuckorlando · Mar 18, 2012

It was meant just how I said it. This thread. Just like every other thread I've read on this subject. If I was calling you a name I would address you specificly. I aint much for back handed comments or slick ass remarks. I mean what I say.At least to the best of my understanding of what ever subject. Turned to crap, SH%&, to hell, to garbage. Replace the word D-baggy with what ever makes it more exceptable. In fact, I'm gonna do it for you

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Cant edit it.

And here in lies the issue with every thread involving a conversation with cafib that I've read to date. It goes from educational to sh&% at some point.

Well played.

chuckorlando · Mar 18, 2012

Cant edit it.

And here in lies the issue with every thread involving a conversation with cafib that I've read to date. It goes from educational to sh&% at some point.

Well played.

dogman#1 · Mar 18, 2012

O.K.. glad that is over...

Here are the links again:
First one is very good and well put together
http://www.cao-filabrasileiro.com/#!...ila-brasileiro

This next link has ALOT of old stuff in it...hard to navigate through and most of it in portuguese
http://www.thefilabrasileiro.com/sho...Excellent-link

chuckorlando · Mar 18, 2012

The first link is awsome. Second link takes me to the fila forum. Do you want us to click the link in the thread or was you trying to link the forum? I'm a member on the forum just dont post there yet. I like to read there though just wish it was more active. But first link is very interactive and makes it easy for those of us who aint as kean on some of the terms. Thanks

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I will say I'm glad Kona's tail "tuck" comes from some where. Like a short baseball bat that almost always hugs her hind. Where my dane's tail is never down like that..

That first links gonna have me running around with a tape measure and straight edge. HAHAHAHAHA

chuckorlando · Mar 18, 2012

I will say I'm glad Kona's tail "tuck" comes from some where. Like a short baseball bat that almost always hugs her hind. Where my dane's tail is never down like that..

That first links gonna have me running around with a tape measure and straight edge. HAHAHAHAHA

Tiger12490 · Mar 18, 2012

Dogman I don't really understand what your arguing about. All dogs have been mixed and where I got my dog from there is consistency.. Don't try and turn me into a bad guy I continously have said neither are better and idc about papers at all but you started this paper war that my dog is better than yours..... Am I wrong? There are types no matter your belief there has been a fila who had additional breeds added in to perform a slightly different task but keep the ojerza don't be mad at me for the fact the someone else has changed the fila from it "original" form.

TAPD on my skyrocket

dogman#1 · Mar 18, 2012

lol, dude i dont know where your getting the idea that I am "mad" at you, I'm not at all. I actually like your approach somewhat, you dont make believe that the non CAFIB dog is the Original fila. where we differ (only) is in the name that you call your dog...the breed Fila is the farm dog, estate guardian, cattle driver, large and powerful without being overdone... this new variant "estate guardian at night dog" is not the original so it should be called something else. This same issue has been covered with the Akita Inu...The name Akita Inu stayed with the Original Japanese dog...the new American Akita (which I actually like alot better) was renamed the Great Japanese dog or more commonly American Akita. They are just too different now, way different looks and way different characteristics. there is no way in the world someone can look at some cbkc filas and a CAFIB Fila and deduce that they are the same breed....no way, not a different style but a completly different breed. so in short, Im not mad at you and sorry you took that from my response.

chuckorlando, I will try to fix that link for you guys... the first one is AWESOME not only for first timeers but also for seasoned folks, enjoy it.

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try this one now... the first link in just awesome and will keep anyone from the novice to veteran busy for a long time. that second link has so much stuff in it however most is in Portuguese.
First one is very good and well put together
http://www.cao-filabrasileiro.com/#!...ila-brasileiro

This next link has ALOT of old stuff in it...hard to navigate through and most of it in portuguese
http://www.thefilabrasileiro.com/showthread.php/303-Excellent-link http://filabrasileirochicopeltier.com.br/17.html

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