Fila Brasileiro

[dogman#1]

Hey guys, it is true you really cant explain it, it has to be seen to be believed. I did research on this breed for 2.5 years and then took another 2.5 years to get the bitch I wanted. I seen a few in person before I bought from each type before I bought mine...dont take anyone's word for it...You have the right idea...research, research, research. look at multiple examples of each type, see what you want and which fits you best. like someone else said on here...alot of people call and ask for "the hardest dog you got"...they get to see a dog with average temperament and say "oh no, that is just plain crazy"...then they see hard temp..."nah this isnt the breed for us". There are some "breeders" shamelessly advertise "we have filas with little to no temp, average temp and hard temp and we breed all of them because we know different people like different things"...um WTF? that is like breeding race horses and breeding some to go slow...there is only one type of temp, proper or not proper. anything below regular is disqualified and should not be bred plain and simple.
Yes, i only recommend and breed CAFIB Fila Brasileiros, why? that is where your research comes in. read both sides and come to your educated conclusion.

 

[dogman#1]

BTW not testing your fila's temperament and "just knowing" it will protect is the same as having a car unused for years and "just knowing" it will get you there in an emergency... test it or be sorry later when you need it.

Obviously if your fila actually dismembered a person before then that was the test. lol.

 

[chuckorlando]

Temp and health are the only 2 things I care about. Theres alot more in the ways of faults than temp. I dont show so frankly dont care about them or if anyone else does. On one hand you have to aplaud CAFIB breeders for their attempts to make the breed pure. But I've read till I'm eyes cross on this whole subject and I aint sure how right any side is. I dont play politics

 

[Tiger12490]

I love my black fila you jump my fence she'll prove she's a real fila.
Do your research if you're looking into getting a fila. The cafib Fila wasn't what I wanted. Little to no trainability in the old world Cafib fila. My fila though has blood from both sides mom cafib dad cbkc.
TAPD on my skyrocket

 

[allsierra123]

Im sure there are great dogs on either side of the story. Mine is only half Fila and she is great and already showing a proper temperment. She did good at the vet yesterday. wouldnt allow the vet to touch her but she didnt go nuts and she wouldnt take any treats from the vet either. She did tell me in a few more months she doesn't want me bringing her in anymore if she sees her it will only be under a sedative. She says its too much liability to her staff. So she is going to show me how to give her yearly shots. And we will go to her if she is hurt or sick.

 

[dogman#1]

Temp and health are the only 2 things I care about. Theres alot more in the ways of faults than temp. I dont show so frankly dont care about them or if anyone else does. On one hand you have to aplaud CAFIB breeders for their attempts to make the breed pure. But I've read till I'm eyes cross on this whole subject and I aint sure how right any side is. I dont play politics

The truth is that most people are drawn to Filas due to their temperament and who in their right mind would look for a fila if they didnt want a dog with strong protection instincts. With that in mind any big dog with a HIGH defense drive would fit the bill. Filas have other characteristics that make them unique in many ways other than the ojeriza part not only in character but in form/structure. We all know that a Chihuahua that loves to fetch will not be a good retreiver of ducks in the Hudson river, and a Neo that loves to dig would not be an efficient hunter of vermin. CAFIB does want to make sure that the Fila Brasileiro REMAINS pure but not just for puritists sake, they want it to remain pure so that it retains ALL of the characteristics that makes them Filas not just the temperament function.

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I love my black fila you jump my fence she'll prove she's a real fila.
Do your research if you're looking into getting a fila. The cafib Fila wasn't what I wanted. Little to no trainability in the old world Cafib fila. My fila though has blood from both sides mom cafib dad cbkc.
TAPD on my skyrocket

Tiger, have you ever had anyoe actually jump the fence and test out your theory? I know some give a HELL of a show and come withing inches of a bite until they lose their nerve...Ojeriza is nothing without proper strong nerve to back it up.
What exactly are you training your dog for that you believe a CAFIB Fila could not be trained to do? If you are talking about scutzhund type sports then you are partially correct. Filas in general do not have alot of prey drive but they have HUGE defense drive. for sport work you need a high amount of prey drive which is why dogs like GSDs and Mals excel at it. You can find real CAFIB Filas with high amount of prey drive that could excel in that sort of thing but that is not what the fila was bred for then or now. There are other dogs well suited for that type of work and most people would be better off with them then with a Fila. As far as other stuff goes...they are still dogs, and highly inteligent at that. They can learn anything and whoever told you anything different is on the pipe.The black color of your dog does not make it a bad dog, there are good dogs of every color. There are very specific reasons why the black color is disqualified and none have anything to do with temperament. The fact that you recognize that there is a difference in the way that your dog works from a CAFIB Fila is a testament to the difference between the two. Alot of people try to say that they are the same breed but one used for work in fields protecting and driving cattle for miles a day in the sun and the other to sit at front porch and protect the house....which one do you think the farmer fed and which one wouldve died???

 

[dogman#1]

I love my black fila you jump my fence she'll prove she's a real fila.
Do your research if you're looking into getting a fila. The cafib Fila wasn't what I wanted. Little to no trainability in the old world Cafib fila. My fila though has blood from both sides mom cafib dad cbkc.
TAPD on my skyrocket

Tiger, have you ever had anyoe actually jump the fence and test out your theory? I know some give a HELL of a show and come withing inches of a bite until they lose their nerve...Ojeriza is nothing without proper strong nerve to back it up.
What exactly are you training your dog for that you believe a CAFIB Fila could not be trained to do? If you are talking about scutzhund type sports then you are partially correct. Filas in general do not have alot of prey drive but they have HUGE defense drive. for sport work you need a high amount of prey drive which is why dogs like GSDs and Mals excel at it. You can find real CAFIB Filas with high amount of prey drive that could excel in that sort of thing but that is not what the fila was bred for then or now. There are other dogs well suited for that type of work and most people would be better off with them then with a Fila. As far as other stuff goes...they are still dogs, and highly inteligent at that. They can learn anything and whoever told you anything different is on the pipe.The black color of your dog does not make it a bad dog, there are good dogs of every color. There are very specific reasons why the black color is disqualified and none have anything to do with temperament. The fact that you recognize that there is a difference in the way that your dog works from a CAFIB Fila is a testament to the difference between the two. Alot of people try to say that they are the same breed but one used for work in fields protecting and driving cattle for miles a day in the sun and the other to sit at front porch and protect the house....which one do you think the farmer fed and which one wouldve died???

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Im sure there are great dogs on either side of the story. Mine is only half Fila and she is great and already showing a proper temperment. She did good at the vet yesterday. wouldnt allow the vet to touch her but she didnt go nuts and she wouldnt take any treats from the vet either. She did tell me in a few more months she doesn't want me bringing her in anymore if she sees her it will only be under a sedative. She says its too much liability to her staff. So she is going to show me how to give her yearly shots. And we will go to her if she is hurt or sick.

Allsierra, Oh yea she sounds like she is gonna be a good girl. I am sure you will be well protected as she matures.

 

[dogman#1]

Im sure there are great dogs on either side of the story. Mine is only half Fila and she is great and already showing a proper temperment. She did good at the vet yesterday. wouldnt allow the vet to touch her but she didnt go nuts and she wouldnt take any treats from the vet either. She did tell me in a few more months she doesn't want me bringing her in anymore if she sees her it will only be under a sedative. She says its too much liability to her staff. So she is going to show me how to give her yearly shots. And we will go to her if she is hurt or sick.

Allsierra, Oh yea she sounds like she is gonna be a good girl. I am sure you will be well protected as she matures.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Thor is getting "tested" this weekend, nothing serious I just want to see what he does if someone tried to attack us.

 

[Kelly]

Dogman does color actually have some importance as far as CAFIB goes? Hope that's not a dumb question. I'd never get a fila - I can tell they're not the right breed for me, but reading about them, they aboslutely fascinate me.

 

[dogman#1]

Thor is getting "tested" this weekend, nothing serious I just want to see what he does if someone tried to attack us.

That is awesome! You will be glad you did. Make sure that the guy who does it knows where to stop so he doesnt break your dog. Tell the agitator that you are not looking for the dog to put on a show, all you want to see is what the dog will do in a real life situation.. tell him to do a stare down and to put a lil stress on the dog but not so much to break him.

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Dogman does color actually have some importance as far as CAFIB goes? Hope that's not a dumb question. I'd never get a fila - I can tell they're not the right breed for me, but reading about them, they aboslutely fascinate me.

Kelly, The only dumb question is the question not asked. Color has no importance to CAFIB. There are reasons why certain colors are not part of the standard. I will use the black color as it is the one that is often argued about. There is nothing really wrong with the color itself, the issue is the traits of other breeds that the black color brings with it ie, excessive skin, high ear set, straight back, roach back, excessive stop, round eyes, etc, etc, etc. some other colors are ommitted because of mixed breeding traits and/or because of health issues as well.

 

[dogman#1]

Dogman does color actually have some importance as far as CAFIB goes? Hope that's not a dumb question. I'd never get a fila - I can tell they're not the right breed for me, but reading about them, they aboslutely fascinate me.

Kelly, The only dumb question is the question not asked. Color has no importance to CAFIB. There are reasons why certain colors are not part of the standard. I will use the black color as it is the one that is often argued about. There is nothing really wrong with the color itself, the issue is the traits of other breeds that the black color brings with it ie, excessive skin, high ear set, straight back, roach back, excessive stop, round eyes, etc, etc, etc. some other colors are ommitted because of mixed breeding traits and/or because of health issues as well.

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I dont know why some of my posts are coming in as double posts but let me know how to fix that and I will.

 

[dogman#1]

I dont know why some of my posts are coming in as double posts but let me know how to fix that and I will.

 

[NeoBull]

As far as travel, well she goes with us. We made sure to socialize her around my parents and sister. So they are an option. But when we travel it's to race or ride or mini buggies off road. My mom and pops also come as m pops drives a buggy. So Kona can be crated when no one is around but usually she hangs out at camp with my mom. Mom is scared of the buggies.

This is just one aspect of this breed that really must be thought about before buying one.

haha, both those things would make my Dobe go crazy! I know because I've seen people try both with him and he goes nuts like he's going to rip them to pieces lol

 

[OdeMX]

I read the whole thread, kudos Dogman, I'm impressed! you seem to really know your deal with the brasileiros.

 

[NeoBull]

I have a client with a giant schnauzer. The dog allows me to walk right in the yard and pet it. Dont know me from Adam. I find most dogs will bow down to me if I just stare in their eyes. If that dont do it, just jump at it like I want to play. But most just walk right up and want to smell my hand.

Opps, quoted the wrong post^ I meant to quote this one...

 

[chuckorlando]

Everytime you post, then post again with out leaving the post it will double post. Kona has not bee tested but Budda had. Kona is only 10m and she aint the friendliest thing.

She may be black but he comes from real cattle farms here in Fl. Here mother, brother, and cusines all woked activly as cattle dogs and estate protection. Even out side the fence we could not exit the vehical untill all were contained. The Sire belonged to the breeder which was her brother.

Blacks were allowed in 49 when the first standard was written. It was taken out of the standard some 30 odd years later. Thats the only time cafib has changed the standard far as I know. The argument basicly rest on the fact that Blood hounds 300yr ago where only black or white. So unless only white was used it would reason to many that black would pop up n the gene pool at least from time to time. Where as Cafib holds fast that the original black Filas were in the standard simply because they did'nt understand where the black had come from. They later determined they were dane mixes. Now many seem to breed in neo to get softer temp and wrinkles. Many who are non cafib believe the standard was changed due to breeder politics pointing back to the black hound and the original and in many cases revered black that existed and was breed prior to the change.

I figure thy'll figure it out to a point of zero argument, and then I might take sides. I just love a Fila regardless myself.

Dogman I will thank you for being respectfull to us non cafib owners. I've seen many many nasty exchanges over this subject.

 

[allsierra123]

I dont know I think for a protection dog black has an advantage. If nothing else if its dark your less likely to see it coming.

 

[chuckorlando]

Thats why you need to be aware of the dog and how they act. If a dog acts dead set, you would be a fool to mess with it. But when a dog runs around from her to there, barking, never getting inside of 10ft at first, then closer, then closer. Most always coming up from behind you...... Thats a sissy. Dogs are very readable most times. Some play a good roll like Dogman is saying. Those I would'nt wai to find out. But mind you I know whats back there for I get there. But if they act mean they might be

haha, both those things would make my Dobe go crazy! I know because I've seen people try both with him and he goes nuts like he's going to rip them to pieces lol

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

That is awesome! You will be glad you did. Make sure that the guy who does it knows where to stop so he doesnt break your dog. Tell the agitator that you are not looking for the dog to put on a show, all you want to see is what the dog will do in a real life situation.. tell him to do a stare down and to put a lil stress on the dog but not so much to break him.

Besides time and money, its hard to find a good trainer that understands mastiff breeds. Many are so used to herders so they want high prey drive and intense dogs. I spoke to the guy and he seemed very knowledgeable he's worked with Neos and American bull dogs. I got a good feeling from him and told him what I wanted. What I really liked was that he would be using hidden equipment. So I'll find out tomorrow. I'll make a post about it.