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  1. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    (Treasury chairs the CFIUS.) Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner. As Chair this gentleman would have been the last person to see all the reports of the various agencies. He would have forwarded it on to the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. If they had any reason to feel that the sale had not met all the requirements for such business dealings, they would have brought that to Obama's attention. Every member of CFIUS after reviewing this sale, gave their blessing to it. Not one of the nine agencies tried to derail it. WERE EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE TAKING BRIBES? All these good and honourable MEN, were they knee deep in Kremlin cash? Since no one agency could make or break the deal, then, using your reasoning, they all had to be on the take...not just Hillary. I DON'T SEE YOU ATTACKING THEM.... Oh, wait, they are "men."

    "Final approval was given by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission." I guess everyone at the NRC was taking bribes, too? You do understand what the words "Final approval..." means, don't you?

    Nine agencies, the NRC, the President...not one of them found fault with the deal, but YOU CAN ONLY SEE ONE SMALL PLAYER. The sale didn't start with her and it didn't end at her desk. It is just propaganda. It is one of the worst examples of Fake News cranked out by the dishonest republican back room boys. So you bought the book like a good little republican and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. You weren't the first, and, based on what I see all over the internet, reported in many countries abroad as well as at home, "the base" isn't into knowing the truth or seeking it. All they want is a Strong Man to follow around. I used the words "Strong Man" with purpose. You know what I mean. You are playing with fire.

    You exist in a state of cognitive dissonance. The truth is all around you, but you persist in believing the lie.

    I think we've spent enough time "re-litigating" the past of Secretary Clinton. I think it's time we turn all our attention on the big kahuna.

    The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet

    One of the women who accused Trump of sexual misconduct has sued him for defamation after he labeled her claims false.



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    Donald Trump celebrates the opening of the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City in 1990. A year later, it was bankrupt.Mike Derer / AP
    DAVID A. GRAHAM
    • JAN 23, 2017

    Donald Trump is now president and not just a private citizen, but that doesn’t mean he’s free of the controversies that dogged him in his former life.

    Last week, a few days before Trump’s inauguration, former Apprentice contestant Summer Zervos sued him in New York state, accusing the president of defamation. Zervos, who’s represented by the famous lawyer Gloria Allred, was one of the several women who accused Trump of sexual assault or misconduct prior to the election. She claims that he kissed her and pressed his genitals against her non-consensually. Trump denied those claims, saying all of the women who had accused him had made their stories up. So Zervos sued him for defamation.

    “I wanted to give Mr. Trump the opportunity to retract his false statements about me and the other women who came forward,” she said, as my colleague Nora Kelly reported. She added that she would withdraw the suit if Trump said she had been truthful. That seems unlikely, since a spokeswoman dismissed the suit immediately.

    It’s unusual for a president to be in such a legal situation—though not entirely unprecedented. Bill Clinton settled a suit for sexual harassment filed by Paula Jones. Zervos’s suit serves to underscore an even more unusual fact, though, which is that Trump won election despite a raft of allegations of sexual harassment and misconduct lodged by women in multiple places, from different eras.

    The 2016 presidential campaign saw a long string of stories showing scandals involving Trump, both large and small—from questionable business dealings to allegations of sexual assault. While they did not derail his presidential hopes, many of them remain live issues as Trump begins his transition to the White House.

    The breadth of Trump’s controversies is truly yuge, ranging from allegations of mafia ties to unscrupulous business dealings, and from racial discrimination to alleged marital rape. They stretch over more than four decades, from the mid-1970s to the present day. To catalogue the full sweep of allegations would require thousands of words and lump together the trivial with the truly scandalous. Including business deals that have simply failed, without any hint of impropriety, would require thousands more. This is a snapshot of some of the most interesting and largest of those scandals.

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    Mike Segar / Reuters
    Sexual-Assault AllegationsJill Harth says Trump assaulted her in the 1990s. Trump’s ex-wife Ivana Trump once suggested he had raped her, though she has since recanted her story. Former Miss Utah Temple Taggart said he kissed her on the lips inappropriately. But since the release, more women have come forward. Two told The New York Times that Trump had assaulted them, one saying he tried to put his hand up her skirt on a flight in the 1970s and another saying he forcibly kissed her. A Florida woman says Trump groped her. A former People reporter recounted an alleged assault at his Mar-a-Lago debate, and says he told her, “You know we’re going to have an affair, don’t you?” Several former teen pageant contestants said Trump walked in on them while they were naked or partially dressed.

    The upshot: Trump denies all of the allegations. In the sexual-assault cases, Trump faces the difficulty that he in some cases bragged openly about just the behavior of which he has accused—whether grabbing or forcibly kissing. Trump has demanded a retraction from the Times, and has threatened to sue several outlets. The paper, in a letter, refused. A woman who brought a rape case against Trump (twice) withdrew her suit in November, but in January, Summer Zervos sued Trump for defamation, after he labeled her claims of sexual assault false.

    Read more: The New York Times, People, BuzzFeed, me


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    Steve Marcus / Reuters
    The Beauty Pageant ScandalsThe Boston Globe’s Matt Viser reports on the mess of the American Dream pageant in 1992. After years of attending beauty pageants—Trump seems to have always enjoyed the company of beautiful, scantily clad women—he decided he wanted to get in on the business himself, meeting with George Houraney and Jill Harth, a couple that ran the American Dream pageant. It was an ill-fated effort. Harth and Houraney alleged that Trump started making passes at her almost immediately. On one occasion, Trump allegedly asked them to bring some models to a party. Harth alleges Trump groped her at the party. In a limo afterward, another model said she heard him say that “all women are bimbos” and most “gold diggers.” Trump reportedly joined another model in bed, uninvited, late at night. On other occasions, he forced Harth into bedrooms and made passes at her, she said. But after the contest, Trump broke off dealings. Harth sued Trump, alleging sexual misbehavior, while the couple together sued him for breach of contract. In the suit, they also alleged that Trump had kept black women out of the pageant.

    The upshot: The couple settled with Trump for an unannounced sum, and Harth dropped her suit. Trump has denied all the allegations. But it wasn’t Trump’s last turn in the pageant business. A few years later, he bought the Miss Universe pageant, which also includes Miss USA and Miss Teen USA. “Honestly, when I bought [Miss Universe], the bathing suits got smaller and the heels got higher and the ratings went up,” he boasted to Vanity Fair later. In 2012, he won a $5 million suit against a former contestant who claimed the contest was rigged. By 2015, he operated Miss Universe as a joint venture with NBC, but after he slurred Mexican immigrants at his campaign launch, Univision and NBC both announced they would not air the pageant. Trump bought out NBC’s share, then promptly sold the company. He sued Univision but settled in February. The terms were undisclosed.

    Read more: The Boston Globe, Vanity Fair


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    Beth Harpaz / Associated Press
    Racial Housing Discrimination The New York Times reported. “It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.” Trump called the accusations “absolutely ridiculous.”

    The upshot: The Trumps hired attorney Roy Cohn, who had worked for Joe McCarthy and whom Michael Kinsley once indelibly labeled “innocent of a variety of federal crimes.” They sued the Justice Department for $100 million. In the end, however, the Trumps settled with the government, promising not to discriminate and submitting to regular review by the New York Urban League—though crucially not admitting guilt. The Times has much more on the long history of allegations at Trump-owned properties

    Read more: The New York Times, The Washington Post, The New York Times

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    Mafia Ties not everyone agrees. There have been a string of other allegations, too, many reported by investigative journalist Wayne Barrett. Cohn, Trump’s lawyer, also represented the Genovese crime family boss Tony Salerno. Barrett also reported a series of transactions involving organized crime, and alleged that Trump paid twice market rate to a mob figure for the land under Trump Plaza in Atlantic City. Michael Isikoff has also reported that Trump was close to Robert LiButti, an associate of John Gotti, inviting him on his yacht and helicopter. In one case, Trump’s company bought LiButti nine luxury cars.

    The upshot: Though Trump has been questioned in court or under oath about the ties, he’s never been convicted of anything. A New Jersey Division of Gaming Enforcement report after Barrett’s 1992 book on Trump generally found no mafia-related wrong-doing on Trump’s part. Trump Plaza was fined $200,000 for keeping black employees away from LiButti’s table, at his behest, and for the gift of the cars, though Trump personally was not penalized.

    Read more: Wayne Barrett, Michael Isikoff, Time, Yahoo, David Cay Johnston


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    Trump University suckered in by slick free “seminars”—to learn how to get rich. One ad promised they would “learn from Donald Trump’s handpicked instructors, and that participants would have access to Trump’s real estate ‘secrets.’” In fact, Trump had little to do with the curriculum or the instructors. Many of the “students” have since complained that Trump U. was a scam. At one time, it had some prestigious instructors, but over time the “faculty” became a motley bunch of misfits. (It was also never really a “university” by any definition, and it changed its name to the “Trump Entrepreneur Initiative,” because as it happened, the school was violating New York law by operating without an educational license.)

    The upshot: The school shut down in 2010. In November 2016, Trump agreed to settle a series of lawsuits related to the school for $25 million. Trump did not admit any wrongdoing as part of the settlement. But he had insisted for months that he would not settle the suit because he expected to win. For a time, he appeared to have been trying to intimidate plaintiffs, including countersuing one for $1 million (a favorite Trump litigation tactic) and refusing to let her withdraw from the suit. (The countersuit was thrown out.) His lawyers cited positive reviews, but former students say they were pressured to give those. Trump also mounted a length attack on the judge, claiming his ethnicity made him biased. Trump has been widely repudiated across the board, with fellow Republicans openly calling him racist.

    Read more: Tom McNichol, Steven Brill, National Review, Matt Ford (1) (2)


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    Tenant Intimidation swore in court that mushrooms grew on their carpet from a leak. Perhaps Trump’s most outlandish move was to place newspaper ads offering to house homeless New Yorkers in empty units—since, as Trump wrote in The Art of the Deal, he didn’t intend to fill units with permanent residents anyway. City officials turned him down, saying the idea did not seem appropriate. Typically, Trump also sued tenants for $150 million when they complained.

    The upshot: Trump gave in. He settled with tenants and agreed to monitoring. The building still stands today, and his son Eric owns a unit on the top floor.


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    You see, Sir, the least you can say is that "it's the Pot calling the Kettle black." And whereas Former Secretary Clinton has been taken through, literally, 10 years of litigation and hearings regarding her part in various situations, ie., White Water, Benghazi, her emails, etc., She has NEVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ANYTHING. Millions of dollars of tax payer's money has been poured down the drain trying to find enough evidence to convict her of anything. And there was nothing. Now, WHY would that be? Because she is not guilty of anything. Contrast that, if you will, with settlement after settlement after settlement, and with findings of wrong doing and intimidation, etc., Innocent people don't settle out-of-court, especially, brawlers like Trump.


    Trump settles because he's guilty and can't weasel out of it...so he throws money at it to make it go away. Now, let me help you make the connection, Bill Clinton settled with a woman who claimed he had sexual relations with her....Why would Bill settle? Because He Was Guilty. Trump settles Because He Is Guilty. And, as pointed out before, Hillary Clinton, although Bill Clinton's wife, doesn't control Bill's moral compass. Bill's character faults are his own, just as Trump's are his own.

    I TRUST THAT SETTLEMENTS OUT-OF-COURT, A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD, MEET WITH YOUR STRICT TERMS FOR RELIABILITY.

    NO FAKE NEWS HERE. JUST THE FACTS, AND NOTHING BUT THE FACTS.

     
  2. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    As far as the trumps personal business as a private citizen , I have zero interest , I’m sure I would not like the majority of politicians I know of ……… to understand his bankruptcies in atlantic city is as simple as understanding what happened in atlantic city ….. all the casinos in atlantic city went under when surrounding states legalized gambling ……casino’s and businesses are still going bankrupt to this day , I believe atlantic city itself is or is near bankruptcy …….. to walk away without losing all your money at that time is a financial feat in itself , to bad our government can’t do anything but financially fail ………



    I would be interested in your source on the NRC needing to ok the deal ? I don’t believe that’s in their job description , my thought is licensing , operation and safety ………. At the same time as the uranium one deal was being passed obama signed an executive order denying a deal for a Chinese company purchase of a wind farm company due to national security ????





    I’d also wonder how coincidental it was the that hllary Clinton did not disclose the donations to the Clinton foundation by executives of uranium one ??? my guess would be the donations came through the clinton giustra collaboration ( the Canadian Clinton foundation) , which would take me back to my earlier thought that the Clinton giustra collaboration was just another scam …..





    Honestly the whole obama administration policies have left the U.S. in an economic and foreign affairs wreck …. Syria , now has the backing of iran and Russia , the Syrian policy has created a refugee disaster across the middle east and Europe …….. Libya is in civil war , opening them up to russian and iranian influence ….. iran with the sanctions lifted and the billions of dollars we gave them can now acquire the technology to develop a delivery system for their nuclear weapons , they’ll be north korea in a much greater strategic spot long before obamas agreement runs it’s course ……… and now the political machine want to go to war with Russia ……. Obama administration I believe sold more weapons than any administration ever , over labor day weekend 2016 we , the united states, bombed 6 countries ………. I remember obamas speech when he won the presidency , “a decade of war is over” LOL ……….



    we went from quantitative easing1 , bush , to get us out of the recession , to quantitative easing infinity under obama , from a short term fix to an economic policy … 19-20 trillion dollars in debt , the fed has kept interest rates at near 0% for obama’s entire presidency , just recently raising them , and plans to raise them I believe 3 times this year …….. do you know what higher interest rates mean to a 20 trillion dollar debt ?????? the government has propped up our economy for the entire obama presidency ……….



    Cognitive dissonance ?????? I’m extremely consistent ……… I watched some mentally challenged senator , schumer , Schiff or one of those other democratic lackey’s , this morning on the news talking about trumps abhorrent policy on Mexican immigrants , did you ever notice they never include the word illegal in their statements ?????? you’ll hear lots of whining and fake crying , but they never use the word illegal immigrants , it wouldn’t help their spin , they need to get all immigrants on their side ………….
     
  3. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    HELLS BEllS! :confused: "As far as the trumps personal business as a private citizen , I have zero interest." REALLY? REALLY! REALLY!!! YOU HIRED HIM! YOU FIRE HIM!!!

    AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM IS GONE. IT WILL FOREVER BE GONE UNDER THIS DISGUSTING MAN. Your Country was formally seen around the world as a leader.... With Moral Superiority... The World Laughs AT AMERICANS, LAUGHS AT THIS...Non-Presidential, Non-Worldly, Non-Educated, Non-Reading, Non-Knowledgeable, Non-Forward-Looking Non-Entity. This Man, In His Own Words Told You Who and What He Was, and YOU EMBRACED HIM.

    As Maya Angelou said: "If a person tells you who they are, believe them."

    You literally hired him to destroy the middle class and create war in the streets.

    NO SIR, YOU DON'T GET OFF BY SAYING YOU DON'T CARE WHAT HE DID IN HIS PERSONAL LIFE BEFORE THE PRESIDENCY. NO SIR!!! HE IS STILL THAT PERSON. LEOPARDS DON'T CHANGE THEIR SPOTS, NEITHER DO 70-YEAR-OLD-MEN WHO HAVE SCREWED THEIR WAY THROUGH THREE WIVES AND HUNDREDS OF DEALS...SCREWING BOTH THE WIVES AND THE CONTRACTORS AND TRADES, WHO SIGNED DEALS WITH HIM, OUT OF THEIR MONEY AND RIGHTS. NO SIR! NO!

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    http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/...cle_f17dff67-5d52-5173-a3f3-7b8732f3fd5f.html

    How have Atlantic City's seven remaining casinos fared since the Taj Mahal closed?

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      • Michael Ein / Staff Photographer

    ATLANTIC CITY — The resort’s seven remaining brick-and-mortar casinos saw a small bump in gaming revenue last month following the closing of Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort, but not as much as some financial experts had forecast.

    Last month, brick-and-mortar gaming revenues totaled $180 million, an increase of about $2 million over November 2015, about 1 percent, excluding the Taj Mahal.

    The Taj, once called the “Eighth Wonder of the World” by former owner Donald J. Trump, closed Oct. 10 after management accused striking Unite Here Local 54 members of preventing a “path to profitability.”


    In the months leading up to the closing, properties around the city offered loyal Taj Mahal customers free slot dollars and comps to attract their business.

    The closing of the Taj Mahal left more than $180 million a year in gaming revenue, about $12 million a month, up for grabs among remaining casinos, particularly those that have properties on the Boardwalk, according to a report by Moody’s Investors Services.

    But some, like Wayne Schaffel, a casino analyst and public relations consultant, didn’t think the closure would have a huge impact on the remaining casino’s revenues.

    “What is going to happen is that those people who used to come to the city eight times a year are now going to come six times year and it’s going to continue to decline” Schaffel said. “I’m not surprised that all of the money didn’t come back into the city. That revenue is gone.”

    In October, revenues at properties fell by nearly 3 percent — coming in at $186.4 million compared with $191.6 million a year ago, according to the state Division of Gaming Enforcement. Revenues at the seven still-operating properties in October were up about 4 percent to $185.5 million in that same period, not including Internet operations.

    Internet gambling revenues continued to show growth, reaching $17.1 million last month. This represents a nearly 29.9 percent increase from a year ago, according to state figures.

    “If you take out the Taj Mahal, which closed in October, the operating casinos are up 3 percent for the 11-month period,” said Matthew B. Levinson, chairman and CEO of the state’s Casino Control Commission. “The positive performance has been fueled all through the year by strong increases in internet gaming. Every casino with a permit to offer internet gambling reported increased online revenue.”

    In November 2015, the industry, which included 8 properties at the time, took in more than $204 million in gaming revenue. In November 2016, the seven casinos took in $197 million,

    a decrease of 3.5 percent.

    For the first 11 months of the year, Atlantic City gambling revenues, including brick-and-mortar casinos and internet gambling, reached about $2.26 billion, according to state figures.

    Moody’s said it does not expect the closing of the Taj Mahal to have a positive long-term impact on the city’s gaming industry.

    “But this windfall will likely end up being short-lived at best,” the Moody’s report said. “While the number of casinos is shrinking in Atlantic City, we expect that overall gaming market revenues will eventually shrink as neighboring states continue to pick away at the city’s gaming revenue.”

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    Two things are impacting the gambling industry, one: neighbouring states are nibbling away at Atlantic City's gambling business. And, two: Internet gambling has increased leaving brick and mortar facilities losing former customers. Still...? There are eight other casinos raking in, what was it...2.26 BILLION dollars (THAT'S BILLION, WITH A "B") in revenue from all streams, brick-and-mortar and internet gambling combined!!!

    NOT SUCH A FAILING BUSINESS MODEL AFTER ALL. And, as the joke goes, if you can't make money in a Casino where the ODDS are always with the HOUSE, then...you aren't very good at business.

    BUT YOU SAY IN YOUR POST: "I believe atlantic city itself is or is near bankruptcy …….. to walk away without losing all your money at that time is a financial feat in itself , to bad our government can’t do anything but financially fail ………"

    HE DIDN'T LOSE HIS MONEY, HE LOST EVERYONE ELSE'S MONEY. WAKE UP! SMELL THE BRIMSTONE!


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    YOU SAID: "I would be interested in your source on the NRC needing to ok the deal ? I don’t believe that’s in their job description , my thought is licensing , operation and safety ………. At the same time as the uranium one deal was being passed obama signed an executive order denying a deal for a Chinese company purchase of a wind farm company due to national security ????"

    Read my post again. The answer is in front of your eyes!

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    YOU SAID: "I’d also wonder how coincidental it was the that hillary Clinton did not disclose the donations to the Clinton foundation by executives of uranium one ??? my guess would be the donations came through the clinton giustra collaboration ( the Canadian Clinton foundation) , which would take me back to my earlier thought that the Clinton giustra collaboration was just another scam ….."

    DISPROVED: OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AGAIN. Moving On!

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    YOU SAID: "Honestly the whole obama administration policies have left the U.S. in an economic and foreign affairs wreck …. Syria , now has the backing of iran and Russia , the Syrian policy has created a refugee disaster across the middle east and Europe …….. Libya is in civil war , opening them up to russian and iranian influence ….. iran with the sanctions lifted and the billions of dollars we gave them can now acquire the technology to develop a delivery system for their nuclear weapons , they’ll be north korea in a much greater strategic spot long before obamas agreement runs it’s course ……… and now the political machine want to go to war with Russia ……. Obama administration I believe sold more weapons than any administration ever , over labor day weekend 2016 we , the united states, bombed 6 countries ………. I remember obamas speech when he won the presidency , “a decade of war is over” LOL ………."

    I AGREE, IN PART. OBAMA SHOULDN'T HAVE DRAWN A LINE IN THE SAND, UNLESS HE WAS WILLING TO BACK IT UP WITH MILITARY ACTIONS. HE CREATED THE VACUUM THAT ALLOWED THE RUSSIANS TO ACHIEVE ASCENDANCY IN THE MIDDLE EAST. Never Make A Threat That You Aren't Willing to Back Up. Put up or Shut Up.

    On some level, I understand, Obama was sick of war, sick of seeing American Men and Women being sent into Harm's Way. BUT...He shouldn't have said it and not carried through. He lost the esteem of his people in uniform...

    Obama had never served in the military, as a result, he aired on the side of making the weak answer. LET'S FACE IT, TRUMP WOULD HAVE SENT THOUSANDS TO THEIR DEATH WITHOUT BLINKING AN EYE (he's cold hearted.) Both of them are extremes of the same coin. Military experience in a President is, I think, an absolute pre-requisite. NEITHER OF THESE MEN SHOULD HAVE SHOULDERED THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF. OBAMA DIDN'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND TRUMP DODGED THE DRAFT FIVE TIMES WITH DEFERRALS. I'M SORRY, GOING TO MILITARY SCHOOL AND THEN DODGING FIVE CALLS TO MILITARY DUTY DOESN'T MAKE YOU FIT TO COMMAND THE US's POWERFUL MILITARY FORCE.

    Additionally, the use of drones, although, somewhat successful, cost the US the esteem of their enemies. If the US is too afraid to face us that they have to use evil drones, then they are weak! Something like that. And it troubles me (and others) that the use of drones, no matter how sophisticated, doesn't eliminate the collateral damage of women and children who, according to the Geneva Convention, are exempt from attack. Still, I can see him thinking...no boots on the ground. No American Casualties. No Coffins coming off transports. No War In His Time. I GET IT. I JUST DON'T 100 PER CENT AGREE.

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    YOU SAID: "As far as the trumps personal business as a private citizen , I have zero interest , I’m sure I would not like the majority of politicians I know of …"

    YOU DON'T GET TO CLAIM YOU AREN'T INTERESTED. TRUMP HASN'T HAD HIS DAY IN COURT YET. HILLARY HAS, AND SHE HAS NEVER BEEN FOUND GUILTY OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN NEGLIGENCE. I HARDLY THINK YOUR SAVIOUR IS GOING TO FAIR AS WELL AFTER 10 OR MORE YEARS OF INTENSE LITIGATION. HE'S ALREADY FALLING APART AT THE SEAMS.

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    YOU SAID: "we went from quantitative easing1 , bush , to get us out of the recession , to quantitative easing infinity under obama , from a short term fix to an economic policy … 19-20 trillion dollars in debt , the fed has kept interest rates at near 0% for obama’s entire presidency , just recently raising them , and plans to raise them I believe 3 times this year …….. do you know what higher interest rates mean to a 20 trillion dollar debt ?????? the government has propped up our economy for the entire obama presidency ………."

    https://www.thebalance.com/us-debt-by-president-by-dollar-and-percent-3306296

    This article outlines the dollar increases by president in both dollars and percentage. It appears that Obama wins for the dollar amount, but it is contrasted by the percentage where Roosevelt wins the big cookie. BOTH ARE RECESSION PRESIDENTS.
    The market collapse of 2008 which threw many people in
    the US into financial collapse was caused by the greed of Wall Street. No one needs to review that bullshit... Everyone knows. And, yet, all of the protections put in place to stop Wall Street from stripping the rest of American's savings from them are being dismantled. If you can't hold your brokerage firm accountable to sell and tell the truth about investments, you are just asking to repeat the 2008 experience. Sub-prime mortgages in the states destroyed your economy, rebuilding it took money, to encourage investment, it took low interest rates for borrowing, so that businesses could dare to borrow and rebuild.

    It began in 2007 with a crisis in the subprime mortgage market in the USA, and developed into a full-blown international banking crisis with the collapse of the investment bank Lehman Brothers on September 15, 2008. Excessive risk taking by banks such as Lehman Brothers helped to magnify thefinancial impact globally.
    Financial crisis of 2007–2008 - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007–2008


    Barack Obama Timleine: When Did He Become President? And Other ...
    www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/when-did-barack-obama-become/2014/.../592490/Sep 28, 2014 - When did Barack Obama become president? He was elected Nov. 4, 2008, and took office as the nation's 44th president on Jan. 20, 2009.

    Just so that we're all on the same page, the 2008 collapse started in 2007. Obama didn't become president until Nov of 2008. He wasn't sworn in until January 2009. No matter how much you want to blame Obama and his fiscal abilities or lack thereof, this wasn't his disaster, this was Bush's. Obama pulled everyone's ass out of the fire and helped rebuild your economy. When Trump took over, notwithstanding his comments to the opposite, he was handed an economy that was growing and an unemployment rate that was at 4.7 per cent.

    Herbert Hoover

    Herbert Hoover (1874-1964), America's 31st president, took office in 1929, the year the U.S. economy plummeted into the Great Depression. Although his predecessors' policies undoubtedly contributed to the crisis, which lasted over a decade, Hoover bore much of the blame in the minds of the American people.
    Herbert Hoover - U.S. Presidents - HISTORY.com

    www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/herbert-hoover

    By 1932, one of the bleakest years of the Great Depression, at least one-quarter of the American workforce was unemployed. When President Franklin Roosevelt took office in 1933, he acted swiftly to try and stabilize the economy and provide jobs and relief to those who were suffering.
    New Deal - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com

    www.history.com/topics/new-deal

    Funny, I can't find a reference to the 2008 depression being really over. I'm wondering if it is considered over. Time has an article that discusses the end being 2014 perhaps, but, I found nothing definitive.

    At this point I must end my part in this thread. I'm on course, and then away over the next two weeks and my computer time will be severely limited.


     
  4. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    a bit dramatic :) do you know what made the middle class in america , the ford's , carnegie's , j.p. morgan's ,vanderbilt's , not the government , and i've never made any money off the government or a broke guy ............. you spoke of the aca , well government better take care of business here in the united states because they take care of 60% of the insured people in the united states insurance , that i would think is just common sense .......


    Bankrupt and failed casino’s in atlantic city , revel casino hotel , 90% owned morgan Stanley , lasted less than 2 years ………. Trump owned 10% of the taj mahal when it closed in 2016 , carl ichan was the owner , maybe he’s not any good at business either , LOL ……. Showboat closed by ceasars to “stabilize” their other properties ……. Atlantis casino hotel , bankrupt …….. trump plaza , owned and operated by carl ichan ……….. atlantic club casino , owned by ceasars ……… not sure how atlantic city is doing today , but I know within the last year or so I’ve read bankruptcy was a viable option …………. I believe operating cost for the taj mahal casino in 2016 was like 48 million a month , 7 casinos making 180 million a month would be 25 million per casino per month , they’d go under pretty quickly if their operating cost were 48 million a month ……….. while I do think understanding what happened in atlantic city is simple , I don’t think you get it ……..



    Maura Pally , I believe was ceo of the clinton foundation when she said in reference to donor disclosure that they have made mistakes due to their size and they are looking into correcting them so they don’t happen again …………….. I also believe reuters busted them to the irs for not claiming government donations , they responded by saying they would correct the mistakes and resubmit for the years reuters busted them for , I think the years were 2008-2013 …….. the ian telfer donations I believe I read in a senate letter , by senator grassley I believe , sent to the fbi on investigating the clinton foundation for corruption ……



    Bill Clinton without question was president of the united states and signed nafta into law , not george bush …….. to imply different is how fake news get started ……



    As you’ve now seen , hillary clinton did defend a child rapist , did get him off with a plea deal based on prosecution error , did know he was guilty , and did laugh while discussing the case ….. all facts





    The debt , I’m sure you could spin this anyway you’d like , if you use 1776 dollars we may not even really have a debt ………..



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    understanding ”bush’s” recession almost requires taking a history course , there are books written on it …….i did read a good piece on it in the Harvard journal of law and public policy , I’m sure they have it archived , the author I know was issa …….


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    1965 lyndon Johnson establishes hud , part of his great society plan , or his “give them a little” philosophy ………… I think around 1970 to finance the war and debt he and a democratic congress privatized fannie may ……… they wanted fannie may to buy conventional mortages so they had to make Freddie mac , government owned , a democratic congress then made it a publically traded enterprise …a democratic congress then exempted fannie may and Freddie mac from regulations and oversight … a democratic congress then imposed regulations to guarantee loans to folks who normally couldn’t get loans , because of credit ratings and not enough income , around 1990 ……………… politicians , their friends , aides and families got rich working for fannie may and Freddie mac , democrats like james Johnson , clinton’s franklin raines , Jaime gorelick , barney frank’s partner herb moses , rahm Emmanuel ………………. Rahm Emmanuel worked for them for a year , went to 2-3 board meetings , got $320,000 and a couple hundred thousand dollars in stocks ……..


    In 2003 bush tried to regulate it , the democrats fought back claiming it would deny poor folks home loans ……… there is a ton more to it , way too much to get into here , when I hear someone say “bush’s recession” , I know who I’m dealing with ……..


    New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
    By STEPHEN LABATONSEPT. 11, 2003


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  5. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    The New York times
    Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

    By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT MAY 16, 2017



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  6. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    definitely who I want making decisions for me .............. it just keeps getting dumber and dumber ............ these people are deranged ..... we don't need Russia to threaten our democracy , the left is doing just fine ........

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  7. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    Oh please. Kathy Griffin is an actress and a comedian. To my knowledge she doesn't have any influence over any decision making government bodies. Do I think that picture is appropriate? No. I don't. I also didn't think any of the ones of President Obama hanging, with a heading that said pray for assassination, hanging and on fire, holding a piece of watermelon .... and on, and on ... are appropriate. Anyone that can't state their opinion in an adult manner without resorting to insults and ugliness doesn't get one second of my attention, whatever their political affiliation.
     
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  8. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”



    H.L.Menken




    I think you overestimate the political intelligence of the average American public , and under estimate their ability to be manipulated .........It’s commendable some left wing media nut job , who is this far out there , doesn’t influence your opinion …… folks just like her are a lot of peoples sole source of political “facts”, and their viewpoints …….. Folks Relying on people devoid of common sense , people like bill maher , whoopi Goldberg , Colbert , Ashley judd , rosie o’donnell , Madonna , for their political awareness , millions of uninformed potential voters … I’d be interested in hearing the moron that hung an obama likeness give their political viewpoints , I never have ? I’d be surprised if they could string together two coherent thoughts , I doubt you could even hear their political views on some obscure satellite radio station , let alone someone like griffin , her political views broadcast to millions of Americans on cnn , msnbc , fox , abc , cbs the new York times , Washington post , wall street journal , LA times , huffington post , Washington examiner , forbes , people magazine , macmillan publishing , vanity fair , vogue and on and on and on , I think the two platforms and effects are a tad bit different ……….. if she hadn’t done this , she’d be the same person who did , using her celebrity status to influence the voting public as she has been for years ….. the news media has become propaganda for a political party , there are serious problems in the world today , the media and elected democratic leaders want to talk about impeaching a democratically elected president without a crime to impeach him for , it’s purely for political reasons , they’d rather the united states fail , than Donald trump succeed …….. first it’s his campaign colluded with the Russians , which is laughable , after clapper , comey , and brennan publically stated under oath none of them have seen any evidence to suggest there was any collusion …….. the left leaders obviously know this road is a dead end, so they move on to obstruction of justice , a week after comey testified under oath no one has ever asked him to not pursue a case for political reasons , maybe they missed the hearing ? or forgot ? …… then the comey firing , a guy they wanted fired , which put a guy in charge of the fbi whose wife ran for the senate as a democrat , and took $500,000 from a Clinton friend , donor and political supporter , the corrupt governor of Virginia … now it’s Kushner tried to establish “back channels” with the Russians for some nefarious reason …… if the campaign was colluding with the Russian government , a superpower , with our capabilities , don’t you think they’d already have “backchannels” for communications ? it’s getting ridiculous , but they don’t mind wasting taxpayer money or time , it’s about political power ………….. Malcolm X had the democratic parties MO pegged …… lbj knew how easily folks with little to nothing could be manipulated “give them a little , not enough to make a difference and they’ll vote for you for the next 200yrs” , “superdelegates” , the hacked e-mails , Debbie wasserman schulz , donna brazille, showing the dnc’s “collusion” favoring Clinton over Bernie Sanders ….. the declassified fisa documents showing 4yrs of the obama administrations illegal surveillance and sharing of surveillance of american citizens , and then 4 more years of it’s non-compliance in stopping it ……….

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  9. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    Combine the political propaganda fake news media , inflammatory politicians and celebrities , a base devoid of common sense , a call to “resist at all cost” , and you shouldn’t be surprised when it gets worse than this ………….. imagine my surprise when the shooter was identified and they looked at his facebook account ………… I feel sorry for my grand kids …………


    “no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the general public”


    Congressman Steve Scalise, Three Others Shot at Alexandria, Virginia, Baseball Field

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  10. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    so the US just shot down a Syrian jet , the Russians responded they will shoot down any coalition planes west of the Euphrates , were on the verge of war with Russia , hopefully it makes the left happier with trump , they seem to like when he bombs the Syrians ....... and after all , the supposed hack of dnc e-mails has been described as an act of war by some of the senates finest , stalwell , cardin , speier , coleman , shaheen , and of course the republican loon McCain hopefully they get their wish ..........

    speaking of the hack of dnc , it is general knowledge they did not give the fbi access to their server ??????? being the cynic I am , I do wonder why they wouldn't ......... the fbi took the word of of a company called crowdstrike , anyone that cannot find the tie between crowdstrike and the Clintons, i'd be glad to help ......i'm sure as well informed as the voting public is , we do all know John MacAfee ,who the crowdstrike guy worked for , has publicly said he does not believe it was the Russians ........ and Mark Mauder (wordfence) says his clients have seen hundreds of millions of attempted hacks by the same entities whom the intelligence agencies have pointed out , he says he couldn't tell you their Russians , he said if it is , the Russian intelligence agencies are using an outdated Ukrainian program ................
     
  11. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    the FAKE news is certainly coming to light ..... lol , Hillary , Obama , susan rice , Loretta lynch , comey , clapper , 36% of the folks who got Obama phones , and all the folks who registered the dead folks and illegal immigrants are gonna end up in jail for poking the bear

    it'll just keep on coming , this is how they start their spin , Hillary herself started this one ..... I have a hard time believing the democratic leadership really believes this ridiculous crap , I think they just assume their base is stupid ........

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    Clarification: Trump-Russia stories

    By Associated Press
    National Security
    June 30 at 5:35 PM

    WASHINGTON — In stories published April 6, June 2, June 26 and June 29, The Associated Press reported that all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies have agreed that Russia tried to influence the 2016 election to benefit Donald Trump. That assessment was based on information collected by three agencies — the FBI, CIA and National Security Agency — and published by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which represents all U.S. intelligence agencies. Not all 17 intelligence agencies were involved in reaching the assessment.



     
  12. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    did any of the real news cover the state senator who posted she "hopes trump get assassinated " on facebook ? I have to think that is unprecedented ? she should without question be put in prison for suggesting such a thing to a bunch of morons like these in NC . it's scary to think this is what's wanting to run the country , and that they are probably going to reproduce and raise kids ........ I got to think at least one of them had to break a foot , or toe , I think the kid in the white t-shirt ..... it just keeps getting better .......


     
  13. Boxergirl

    Boxergirl Well-Known Member

    I saw it covered by many news outlets of various leanings.
     
  14. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    I do watch msnbc and cnn once in awhile as long as they don't get too stupid , which usually doesn't take long , maybe I need to endure their stupidity a bit more , I've not seen them cover it ....... if I google maria nadal Chappelle now I can go through the first 5 pages and cnn had one story on the 17th , msnbc , none . the cnn story read that this senator had "reportedly" posted that she hoped trump would be assassinated , so they weren't sure ? hell she admitted it on camera and said she wasn't sorry for it ................... Russian collusion is dying on the vine , I saw a senator went and met with Assange , Assange says he can prove the hacks weren't Russian or associated with the Russian government , I assume there will be more to come of that .....I saw bill binney , 30yrs in the nsa , nsa tech director , retired , I think 2002 , when he came out about warrantless wire taps by the government , a program he developed . he said from the info given out by the nsa about the dnc hacks , the amount of information /bytes taken , and the time it took to download it excluded the thought it was taken over the internet , and he went on to give a reason why the dnc would not have given the fbi access to their server ........... so Russia , after spending a year and i'm sure millions of dollars , is slowly dying and the left knows it , you don't see them moronic senators , Schiff , cardin , schumer , Pelosi , waters , menedez even mentioning Russia anymore .... they moved onto obstruction of justice , aside from there not being a crime to obstruct , and the fact the president can legally stop any investigation if he wants , lorretta lynche did , comey is more likely to go to jail than trump ...... now were onto he's a white supremacist , "dog whistles " , everyday were in a new political crisis ...... unprecedented .............I grew up in a Puerto rican neighborhood in a predominately black city , I've known quite a few "white supremacist" , nothing trump has said or done has ever given me even the slightest indication he's a racist ..... but i'll give the left credit , this is an accusation that cannot be litigated to show it to be untrue .......... at what point do reasonable people not take notice ?

    when protestors and counter protestors go to a rally wearing helmets , carrying shields and weapons , what doubt is there in the intentions of either ?????


    must be a white supremacist , who just happened to bring a can of hairspray and a lighter to the rally , folks got hurt and killed , and some folks act surprised ?????


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    this is air force Staff Sgt. Tony Pettway , went to a trump rally only to get agitated by some left wing nutjob in a kkk hood , wonder why he was there ? I bet the sergeant didn't attend any Hillary rallies , I hope trump paid his legal fees .......

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  15. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    reality ........
    Protesters at Trump's Phoenix rally used gas canisters, rocks to assault police

    "A group of anti-Trump demonstrators used gas canisters, rocks and bottles to assault police Tuesday night and create havoc"


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  18. Bailey's Mom

    Bailey's Mom Super Moderator Staff Member

    "...this is air force Staff Sgt. Tony Pettway , went to a trump rally only to get agitated by some left wing nutjob in a kkk hood , wonder why he was there ? I bet the sergeant didn't attend any Hillary rallies , I hope trump paid his legal fees ......."

    Marke...come on..."'left wing nutjob in a kkk hood...'"?! Hell's Bells Man, in terms of left and right, tree-huggers, altruistic-love-not-war, health-care-for-all types are on the left, okay? "'Left wing nutjob in a kkk hood...'", that's the conservative extreme right.

    I have a favorite saying that I use with the kids: There's your side, and there's my side and then there is the truth, and it isn't either, it's somewhere in the middle away from the extremes, and the bullsh**t." Actually, come to think of it, I stole that from a prominent lawyer here in London, Ont, Cdn., a man that I held in the highest place of honour....such a sweety, but you couldn't buy him or sell him...He Was Truth Personified...and he was Jewish.

    Personally, I'm watching the whole thing unfolding on the world stage and I'm praying...praying out loud, for the American People. I'm old enough to fear a repetition of the past.... People who do not respect the lessons of their past are forced to repeat those errors. Do we really want to go back to the 1940's?

    I get it, we're all scared of the boogey man coming to take our stuff and end our lives...I get it, but, I'd be more afraid of the man telling you to be afraid, instead of knitting you all together to be a stronger and more cohesive of a society.

    My husband was telling me of a conversation that he had with a friend tonight about immigration and the negative flow of that, but I came back with, "Well, you're Dikehopper, and I'm an Irish-English-Dutch and German Mutt...we aren't Old World, we are New World and all of us are immigrants in the real sense of the word. Our nations are nations of immigrants, except for the 2 or 3 per cent of native Indian Nations, i.e., Cree, Sioux, Ojibwa, Huron, Mi'kmaq, Haida, Iroquois...etc., etc.,etc., etc., Immigration didn't end with us, nor did North American society..., it grew with us, ALL OF US, we are all the flavouring that makes North America such a diverse and interesting and intoxicating society.

    FEAR THE FEAR MONGER, not your neighbour.

    I think it was Regan who called Canada "...that kinder, gentler nation to the north.", but we face historic levels of immigration, of refugees, of diverse religions and beliefs, and we ABSORB the new comers and CHANGE them and give them hope...a leg up...acceptance. Some of them may be "The Enemy", but most of them aren't. Most are just good, honest, hard-working people like you and me who are proud of our families and our pasts and our futures in a new country...countries without war within our borders. BE PROUD OF THAT.

    AMERICA WAS CALLED THE GREAT MELTING POT! CANADA WAS CALLED A MOSAIC (a collage of colours.) WE ARE SPECIAL...WE ARE BLESSED, BUT, IT IS BECAUSE OF OUR DIFFERENCES, NOT HOW ALIKE WE ARE.

    Now, I started this thread...MEA CULPA! (If your Latin isn't up to par, it means: "My Fault.") I think it is time to end it as it does nothing to nation build, but operates as a tentacle of disruption and fear mongering...as well as...misinformation.

    I'd suggest that our Forum Members exercise their freedoms and open their doors to information from across the world, not just right or left distributorships of ideology. We're here for the dogs...for the Mastiffs...and for the love and support of each other. Now, that's real "Canadian-Speak, eh?!"
     
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