Dogs in training. DO NOT PET!

[April Nicole]

I thought I would start a thread on this subject since we are about to bring our boy home....

It's incredibly frustrating trying to train, socialize your dog in a correct manner, when people constantly disregard your wishes to not approach your dog. Some people understand, and some do not! Some act like your dog is community property and they have a right to pet, get in your dogs face, etc... Then you have to basically be a jerk and tell them to back off!...

So just wondering how others deal with the situation.

 

[Zeela]

I thought I would start a thread on this subject since we are about to bring our boy home....

It's incredibly frustrating trying to train, socialize your dog in a correct manner, when people constantly disregard your wishes to not approach your dog. Some people understand, and some do not! Some act like your dog is community property and they have a right to pet, get in your dogs face, etc... Then you have to basically be a jerk and tell them to back off!...

So just wondering how others deal with the situation.

You must be excited to bring him home soon! I would say that you would have to be a jerk if they disregard your wishes. You are the one in control. Socialization - I feel is everything, from people, sights, sounds, etc...& it depends on your lifestyle. You will know what to do when the time comes. One thing I did with Zeela when I 1st brought her home was that I had put her on a schedule & I did not let friend's visit or any other distractions if it was her down time, feeding time, training time, etc...that was our 1 on 1 time together. I also did not walk her around the neighborhood right away, that was a process & that was away to avoid any idiots per say.

 

[April Nicole]

You must be excited to bring him home soon! I would say that you would have to be a jerk if they disregard your wishes. You are the one in control. Socialization - I feel is everything, from people, sights, sounds, etc...& it depends on your lifestyle. You will know what to do when the time comes. One thing I did with Zeela when I 1st brought her home was that I had put her on a schedule & I did not let friend's visit or any other distractions if it was her down time, feeding time, training time, etc...that was our 1 on 1 time together. I also did not walk her around the neighborhood right away, that was a process & that was away to avoid any idiots per say.

Nice tips! I was thinking of telling the neighbors that I would like to work on getting him to a proper sit before greeting new people... I think that would help to discourage jumping up on people....
We are picking him up tomorrow!

 

[Zeela]

Nice tips! I was thinking of telling the neighbors that I would like to work on getting him to a proper sit before greeting new people... I think that would help to discourage jumping up on people....
We are picking him up tomorrow!

I honestly don't know if that is necessary, I took Zeela to work with me the next day I got her. See how it goes, you will know when you bring him home.
Good luck & Congrats...get your rest now, you are going to be busy busy.

 

[Justin B.]

I totally get where you are coming from @April Nicole.
I got annoyed by this too for the longest.
But i honestly think people just genuinely dont know.
Most people have no idea. Most pet owners are not what I would consider dog world people.
Their experience with dogs consists of suburban friendly house pets. Or dogs that are socialized to the max.
They have never experienced or been around different.

Not to mention how there are a lot of people who abuse the service dog and support dog privileges.

I dont think they know that you are not supposed to bother a service dog or even a dog in training.
And I dont blame them for that.

I think people would be better served if there were actual "do not pet" signs on the collars or harness.
Would cause a lot less confusion. If that is the main objective.

When I was 16 I saw a guy ask if he could pet a 135 lb Rottweiler that was built like a brick house. Dog was sitting by the owners foot calm but on guard. You could tell the dog wanted no parts of strangers. The owner said, nah he really doesn't like to be pet. The guy said thats ok, i train and breed big dogs too (dude did have show quality Shepherds) . He reached out with 2 hands bent down and grabbed the Rottweiler by the head. The Rottweiler took it for about half a second..... care to guess how that story ended?

 

[April Nicole]

I totally get where you are coming from @April Nicole.
I got annoyed by this too for the longest.
But i honestly think people just genuinely dont know.
Most people have no idea. Most pet owners are not what I would consider dog world people.
Their experience with dogs consists of suburban friendly house pets. Or dogs that are socialized to the max.
They have never experienced or been around different.

Not to mention how there are a lot of people who abuse the service dog and support dog privileges.

I dont think they know that you are not supposed to bother a service dog or even a dog in training.
And I dont blame them for that.

I think people would be better served if there were actual "do not pet" signs on the collars or harness.
Would cause a lot less confusion. If that is the main objective.

When I was 16 I saw a guy ask if he could pet a 135 lb Rottweiler that was built like a brick house. Dog was sitting by the owners foot calm but on guard. You could tell the dog wanted no parts of strangers. The owner said, nah he really doesn't like to be pet. The guy said thats ok, i train and breed big dogs too (dude did have show quality Shepherds) . He reached out with 2 hands bent down and grabbed the Rottweiler by the head. The Rottweiler took it for about half a second..... care to guess how that story ended?

Wow!! I bet he never made that mistake again!... I think the ' I'm good with dogs people are worse' ! They have an arrogance about it. Dog picks up on that quick! Takes it as a challenge. I know what you mean about people not understanding why all dogs don't act like golden retrievers. And I have had some that were very understanding. But more often than not, they won't take no for an answer. I am going to definitely get a No Petting sign for him. I might even get a flag!! Lol just kidding

 

[Smokeycat]

I've found that it depends on the dog. With Kryten, big and black, most people ask if he's friendly before approaching. With Jiggers, Irish Setter looks, it seems all sorts come out of the wood work. If they are kids I usually explain why touching him without asking is a bad thing. Adults get told off especially the ones who come up behind and touch him without announcing themselves.

 

[April Nicole]

I've found that it depends on the dog. With Kryten, big and black, most people ask if he's friendly before approaching. With Jiggers, Irish Setter looks, it seems all sorts come out of the wood work. If they are kids I usually explain why touching him without asking is a bad thing. Adults get told off especially the ones who come up behind and touch him without announcing themselves.

Glad they ask you. Too bad they don't ask about Jiggers. That's what I mean, people act like dogs are community property. It's rude.

 

[Justin B.]

Wow!! I bet he never made that mistake again!... I think the ' I'm good with dogs people are worse' ! They have an arrogance about it. Dog picks up on that quick! Takes it as a challenge. I know what you mean about people not understanding why all dogs don't act like golden retrievers. And I have had some that were very understanding. But more often than not, they won't take no for an answer. I am going to definitely get a No Petting sign for him. I might even get a flag!! Lol just kidding

I bet all 3 people there (including me) never made that mistake again. I tell you what I learned more observing those 20 seconds than I did in years.

Hmmm... I never thought of it like that. But that does make perfect sense. That is kind of a challenging attitude in general even if its good intentioned.

 

[April Nicole]

I bet all 3 people there (including me) never made that mistake again. I tell you what I learned more observing those 20 seconds than I did in years.

Hmmm... I never thought of it like that. But that does make perfect sense. That is kind of a challenging attitude in general even if its good intentioned.

I bet you did learn a lot! Is that what got you into Rottweilers? Much respect for that breed....I've always been cautious around dogs. My aunt had a chow and it was mean. When I would go over, I would ask her to put him up before I even got out the car. You could just tell he didn't want people in his territory.... Well, my well meaning sister in law, who sees life through rose colored glasses went visit my aunt. So sister in-law, whose pregnant, tells her 4 year old step daughter," Let's go pet T-bone." My aunt was talking to my brother and didn't know. T-bone is tied up out back. So sister in law and niece go and pet T-bone. He's fine, then niece walks away. T-bone jumps on her. My sister in law grabs him, and he tears into her arm. She saved my niece, now blood is gushing from her arm. My brother comes running. Punching the dog, he wouldn't let go. He's shaking and tearing her arm. Finally get him off, he has to rush his pregnant wife to the hospital. My niece is w my aunt. She hugs her to comfort her, and notices blood on the back of her head. Niece had to get staples. Sister in law lost a good bit of blood cause he hit an artery. She still has serious problems w her arm. There was a lot of damage. My niece was scared of dogs for a long time. She's 21 now, and has 4 dogs

 

[Steven C]

I bet you did learn a lot! Is that what got you into Rottweilers? Much respect for that breed....I've always been cautious around dogs. My aunt had a chow and it was mean. When I would go over, I would ask her to put him up before I even got out the car. You could just tell he didn't want people in his territory.... Well, my well meaning sister in law, who sees life through rose colored glasses went visit my aunt. So sister in-law, whose pregnant, tells her 4 year old step daughter," Let's go pet T-bone." My aunt was talking to my brother and didn't know. T-bone is tied up out back. So sister in law and niece go and pet T-bone. He's fine, then niece walks away. T-bone jumps on her. My sister in law grabs him, and he tears into her arm. She saved my niece, now blood is gushing from her arm. My brother comes running. Punching the dog, he wouldn't let go. He's shaking and tearing her arm. Finally get him off, he has to rush his pregnant wife to the hospital. My niece is w my aunt. She hugs her to comfort her, and notices blood on the back of her head. Niece had to get staples. Sister in law lost a good bit of blood cause he hit an artery. She still has serious problems w her arm. There was a lot of damage. My niece was scared of dogs for a long time. She's 21 now, and has 4 dogs

I actually saw a Chow attack its female owner in NY a long time ago. It was also a bad attack like that, everyone around was shocked. I have never liked Chows since then as it seemed like an unprovoked attack. Then a few months ago when those 2 chows rushed the fence to see Nessa and she aggressively barked at them and every dog after them for a month. Now she is better as long as they don't bark at us or quickly approach us. Not a fan of the Chow dogs as you can see.

Oh and the comment on the Golden retriever, don't let them fool you. I had one that took down a 5'10" biker chick ex for slapping him and was also the most food aggressive dog i've ever seen. I believe they have the same power as a GSD and this one was not a wussy.

 

[Justin B.]

I bet you did learn a lot! Is that what got you into Rottweilers? Much respect for that breed....I've always been cautious around dogs. My aunt had a chow and it was mean. When I would go over, I would ask her to put him up before I even got out the car. You could just tell he didn't want people in his territory.... Well, my well meaning sister in law, who sees life through rose colored glasses went visit my aunt. So sister in-law, whose pregnant, tells her 4 year old step daughter," Let's go pet T-bone." My aunt was talking to my brother and didn't know. T-bone is tied up out back. So sister in law and niece go and pet T-bone. He's fine, then niece walks away. T-bone jumps on her. My sister in law grabs him, and he tears into her arm. She saved my niece, now blood is gushing from her arm. My brother comes running. Punching the dog, he wouldn't let go. He's shaking and tearing her arm. Finally get him off, he has to rush his pregnant wife to the hospital. My niece is w my aunt. She hugs her to comfort her, and notices blood on the back of her head. Niece had to get staples. Sister in law lost a good bit of blood cause he hit an artery. She still has serious problems w her arm. There was a lot of damage. My niece was scared of dogs for a long time. She's 21 now, and has 4 dogs

I got into them well before that. My father and uncle bred Rottweilers for a long time well before they became popular. So I grew up with them. So was kind of brainwashed into it. Lol

Wow that's a crazy story. Could of been worse but still bums me out to hear there was permanent damage. Glad eveything else with the kid was fine after the staples.

I have never heard a nice story about a Chow....lol

 

[April Nicole]

I actually saw a Chow attack its female owner in NY a long time ago. It was also a bad attack like that, everyone around was shocked. I have never liked Chows since then as it seemed like an unprovoked attack. Then a few months ago when those 2 chows rushed the fence to see Nessa and she aggressively barked at them and every dog after them for a month. Now she is better as long as they don't bark at us or quickly approach us. Not a fan of the Chow dogs as you can see.

Oh and the comment on the Golden retriever, don't let them fool you. I had one that took down a 5'10" biker chick ex for slapping him and was also the most food aggressive dog i've ever seen. I believe they have the same power as a GSD and this one was not a wussy.

I don't care for Chows either. My cousin had 2 Taboo and Kadolfee. They didn't put up with anything! I think a lot of them have bad temperments.

Whoa, I didn't know that about Golden Retrievers! Lol about the biker chick! Sounds like she might of been asking for it.

 

[April Nicole]

Yeah the attack could have been worse. She really did save my niece. The chow went on to bite someone else, and my aunt finally decided to put him down...

It's funny cause my niece was terrified of dogs for a long time. Now she absolute loves her GSD, and other 3 dogs. I'm glad she overcame her fear, cause life without a dog is no fun.

 

[TylerDurden]

Yeah the attack could have been worse. She really did save my niece. The chow went on to bite someone else, and my aunt finally decided to put him down...

It's funny cause my niece was terrified of dogs for a long time. Now she absolute loves her GSD, and other 3 dogs. I'm glad she overcame her fear, cause life without a dog is no fun.

That‘s really bad. I‘m sorry about the long-term damage. When I was a kid, my grandparents always told me to staw away from chows and that they cannot be trusted. They had no clue about dogs and never had one, but considering all these stories, there must be truth to it.

@Justin B. I have always been fascinated by Rottweilers but in Europe they seem to have a bad reputation (not sure why). I haven‘t studied any statistics, but do they get involved in a lot of fatal attacks?

 

[April Nicole]

I don't care for Chows either. My cousin had 2 Taboo and Kadolfee. They didn't put up with anything! I think a lot of them have bad temperments.

Whoa, I didn't know that about Golden Retrievers! Lol about the biker chick! Sounds like she might of been asking for it.

I'm sorry Steven I misread what you said. It's not funny that the dog attacked the biker chick.

 

[Steven C]

I'm sorry Steven I misread what you said. It's not funny that the dog attacked the biker chick.

No worries, she was the worst GF anyway, the only thing we had in common was vintage harleys. lol I agree she did deserve it by slapping the dog in the face for going into the plant. It was actually on the second slap the dog grabbed her by the arm and took her down to the ground. The girls parents were visiting from Quebec Canada and even her dad said it was her fault. After the dog took her down he ran behind a couch and hid as he knew it was bad that he did that.

 

[Justin B.]

That‘s really bad. I‘m sorry about the long-term damage. When I was a kid, my grandparents always told me to staw away from chows and that they cannot be trusted. They had no clue about dogs and never had one, but considering all these stories, there must be truth to it.

@Justin B. I have always been fascinated by Rottweilers but in Europe they seem to have a bad reputation (not sure why). I haven‘t studied any statistics, but do they get involved in a lot of fatal attacks?

When I last looked into it yes they did. But keep in mind some #s and statistics can be very very misleading.

For instance Rottweilers were at one time like the most popular breeds in the world.

When a dog becomes this popular it skews the numbers in general.

Also, when a breed becomes popular like a fad they fall into the wrong idiot hands and that skews the #s even more.

No different than what goes on with Pitbulls and other breeds effected by breed specific legislation.

 

[TylerDurden]

When I last looked into it yes they did. But keep in mind some #s and statistics can be very very misleading.

For instance Rottweilers were at one time like the most popular breeds in the world.

When a dog becomes this popular it skews the numbers in general.

Also, when a breed becomes popular like a fad they fall into the wrong idiot hands and that skews the #s even more.

No different than what goes on with Pitbulls and other breeds effected by breed specific legislation.

Thanks for the clarification. That‘s actually what I thought. I‘ve known some people who bought them for their looks. They don‘t understand that the equation "intimidating looks = outstanding guarding ability" doesn‘t necessarily is true. With increasing popularity they get into the "wrong hands" too, which in return might contribute to bad statistics in terms of attacks.
How do they compare to Mastiffs in terms of behavior, intelligence, and general characteristics? It probably makes more sense to compare them to a specific Mastiff, such as the CC, rather than Mastiffs in general.

 

[Justin B.]

Thanks for the clarification. That‘s actually what I thought. I‘ve known some people who bought them for their looks. They don‘t understand that the equation "intimidating looks = outstanding guarding ability" doesn‘t necessarily is true. With increasing popularity they get into the "wrong hands" too, which in return might contribute to bad statistics in terms of attacks.
How do they compare to Mastiffs in terms of behavior, intelligence, and general characteristics? It probably makes more sense to compare them to a specific Mastiff, such as the CC, rather than Mastiffs in general.

Welcome.
A good Rottweiler is very similar on a basic level to a good Cane Corso. They are just as capable at guardian work. On a whole they seem to excell at personal protection work. However, its easier to find a good well bred working Rottweiler than a Cane Corso. Just do to how popular Rotts were.
Some of the differences I noticed with my dogs
- My Cane Corsos are bigger. Taller and usually weight wise.
- I would say the Cane Corso has the stronger neck and body. Rottweilers were a lot easier to control. You sometimes need specialty tools for large Corsos. I never used or thought of using a prong collar until I handled a Corso.
- On the average I would say Rottweilers have the stronger bite. In fact a lot of decoy people say this as well. Despite all that generic bite force stuff you read online many people say on average a good Rott still has the hardest feeling bite through the sleeve.
-Rotts are more independent. A Rott is comfortable just in the same room as you or will seek some space from time to time. A Cane Corso wants to be like your shadow even if you just change seats in the same room.
- Corsos definitely have more personality and human like expressions for their emotions. A lot of people confuse this with intelligence. But i think its different.
- Rottweilers do better in outside conditions than Corsos.
-Rottweilers are less maintenance even though they have a longer coat.
- Rottweilers eat more and have better appetites. I have no idea how my Corsos get so big because they eat like super models. Diet for a Corso can be challenging and frustrated.
-Cane Corsos seem to be more stubborn and playfully challenging. They never lose that puppy type attitude about them. Rotts seem to mature faster.
-Rotts have a longer life expectancy
- My Corsos are more hyper not as laid back.
-Corsos will rome less when loose
-Corsos have a higher prey drive
-Rotts seem to welp their pups better on average.

-Guard dog wise they are pretty equal very very similar inside the house on guard duty. However, my first male Cane Corso was probably the best natural guard dog I have seen. However, it was a Rottweiler my father had that was probably the best trained guard dog I have ever seen. Just what I noticed from my lines and dogs. I would recommend owning a Rottweiler first before a Corso. Corso is more challenging.