Oh and here is an additional deer story for you Marke: Growing up as a kid our across the street neighbors owned the local pizza shop in our small suburb. At the time my father bred Rottys. The across the street neighbors had the biggest and most impressive mutt dogs I have ever seen to this day. Dog was super people friendly and non dog aggessive. He was WAY bigger than even our 135 lb male Rott. He was a long hair dog. He had german shepard marking and color with no black mask. Was massive in bone structure. Looked like maybe if you crossed a GSD with CAO or CO. His name was Bear and it suited him nicely. Nobody knew what Bear was mixed with. Because the whole family worked at the Pizza Parlor all the time they kept Bear chained in their back yard all day. Bear broke countless chains and lines all the time. He would routinely find his way into our yard to try and play with our dogs. So we would routinely walk or chase Bear back home. One day me and my Dad were in our driveway. At the time we had 2.5 acres. Besides breeding Rotts my father loved his Siamese Cats. We hard a screeching sound and cries coming from the woods behind our acreage. Blood curdling screeching and calling. My Father immediately thought it was one if his cats. He darted into the woods and I chased after him. When we got to the noise we saw a baby terrified deer that was doing the screaming. We also saw Bear the giant mutt dog attacking the fully grown female deer. There was blood everywhere and he was killing the deer. My father tried to scare Bear away and it didnt work. He picked up the baby deer. Was not a new born. And carried it through the woods and put it in our barn shed. He made me go in the house. He ran back into the woods. He had on a white shirt and it was absolutely soaked in blood. He came back 15 mins later and said the mother deer was dead and that Bear wouldn't leave the dead deer's body. He went across the street to get the neighbors and they were able to get Bear and bring him home. We raised the baby dear for many months. It followed my dad around like it was his mother. We named it Mooche. Unfortunately it got collic and died while my father was feeding him one day. We even still have pics and video of the baby dear at my parents house somewhere. I dont know maybe our Deer in Ohio are smaller and weaker than the ones in your area. So to me its not a foreign concept thay a large dog could take out an adult deer. You can call B.S. or dismiss this story too if you want. But again another fact.