Confusions regarding Corsos!

Discussion in 'Cane Corso' started by southshore, Feb 19, 2018.

  1. Justin B.

    Justin B. Well-Known Member

    Oh and here is an additional deer story for you Marke:
    Growing up as a kid our across the street neighbors owned the local pizza shop in our small suburb. At the time my father bred Rottys.
    The across the street neighbors had the biggest and most impressive mutt dogs I have ever seen to this day. Dog was super people friendly and non dog aggessive. He was WAY bigger than even our 135 lb male Rott. He was a long hair dog. He had german shepard marking and color with no black mask. Was massive in bone structure. Looked like maybe if you crossed a GSD with CAO or CO. His name was Bear and it suited him nicely. Nobody knew what Bear was mixed with. Because the whole family worked at the Pizza Parlor all the time they kept Bear chained in their back yard all day. Bear broke countless chains and lines all the time. He would routinely find his way into our yard to try and play with our dogs. So we would routinely walk or chase Bear back home.

    One day me and my Dad were in our driveway. At the time we had 2.5 acres. Besides breeding Rotts my father loved his Siamese Cats. We hard a screeching sound and cries coming from the woods behind our acreage. Blood curdling screeching and calling. My Father immediately thought it was one if his cats. He darted into the woods and I chased after him. When we got to the noise we saw a baby terrified deer that was doing the screaming. We also saw Bear the giant mutt dog attacking the fully grown female deer. There was blood everywhere and he was killing the deer. My father tried to scare Bear away and it didnt work. He picked up the baby deer. Was not a new born. And carried it through the woods and put it in our barn shed. He made me go in the house. He ran back into the woods. He had on a white shirt and it was absolutely soaked in blood. He came back 15 mins later and said the mother deer was dead and that Bear wouldn't leave the dead deer's body. He went across the street to get the neighbors and they were able to get Bear and bring him home.

    We raised the baby dear for many months. It followed my dad around like it was his mother. We named it Mooche. Unfortunately it got collic and died while my father was feeding him one day.

    We even still have pics and video of the baby dear at my parents house somewhere.

    I dont know maybe our Deer in Ohio are smaller and weaker than the ones in your area. So to me its not a foreign concept thay a large dog could take out an adult deer.

    You can call B.S. or dismiss this story too if you want. But again another fact.
     
  2. Steven C

    Steven C Well-Known Member

    I thought about getting a working Dogo Argentina but I didn't want a game dog and after research I found that not only are they game dogs, they have monthly hog kill outings with Dogo owners. I scratched it immediately, not my thing or what I needed. We thought about working Giant Schnauzer dogs as they make decent K9's and I did not want the working malinios as they are just way too hyped up and often jump clear through windows (another breed that can be docile or super hyper). I also did not want another DDB as while althletic he tired much quicker. I used to do 5 mile runs and walks with my DDB and he was done at 2 1/2 and needed to sit in a fountain or pool to cool off in Florida. Several times I was actually worried he would get heat stroke and had to bribe a security guy at close by apartment complex to allow me use of the hose. My DDB was fearless and did his job nicely, I could tell some great stories of my DDB whom we miss very much.

    But just like I would never get another lab or non working dog, I will not get another DDB as they do not fit what I currently need. Nor do they like to work IPO. I don't think its they cannot, I think its they don't want to . My DDB basically said listen I know what I have to do, let me do it my way and that was after a year of k9 training. Full respect of the family, but did things his way always, super stubborn but never a bad dogue. He knew what he was allowed to do and did all that his way.

    My Corso runs 6 laps with me every single night and still wants to work after. She chews 24hours, even while she is sleeping. She is the most agile dog I have ever seen and shakes the ground when she runs at full speed on grass, reminiscent of a horse race sound. She can scale walls like nothing and always wants more. My job with her is not to tame her but to channel that lunacy into what I need, sort of redirecting but in her every aspect. Having a working import CC is tougher than I thought, but I am slowly but surely making it work.

    Not that it makes any difference but maybe. In my search I asked what would be the difference looks wise in the imported lines and the local lines. I was told that the imports had more white markings by 2 separate breeders, I was also told they were smaller and quicker.
     
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  3. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    don't know i'd need to be shown , it'd take a hell of a dog .... I've seen corso work , he was very respectable .... lacked endurance

    I was raised by a guy named Chuck Vinci , he was a friend of ed farons , we had farons dogs , as a "gamedog" guy you obviously know who ed is , and the dogs ? as a kid I ran with those dogs , I had neos I ran , I ran bulmastiffs , wiemaraners , and ddb , I've run with folks who ran ridgebacks , bloodhounds ,vislas and boerboels ....... the black and white picture ddb wouldn't be outrun or outlasted by any of those dogs ...... here's a video of a 115-120lb ddb running 8.25 miles in around 50 minutes , you'll see she averaged 9.1mph and the fastest she trotted was 13.3mph , I never let her break into a gallop , she can trot near 15mph , it's all there on the odometer in the end .... I often ran them 12 miles because it gave me something to compare them too , the times of folks I know who put AD's on their dogs , I could have walked her the remaining 3.75 miles and got her an AD ...the reason this dog didn't run 12 miles this day was because I didn't want to have to come back up the hill we were just about to go down .....youtube only let you download 17 minute sections but it's all there in order .... the ddb bitch pictured at the bottom , 125lbs ran 20 miles with me , ran 12 in 100 minutes , she had to wait on me .....I had a 150lb bitch , the one that got her butt kicked by the deer , she'd run 6-8 miles 5-6 days a week for most of her life , the deer incident was on one of those runs ........... unless someone had one of my dogues , they had a different breed .......

    almost 40yrs , she's an animal , 3yrs , so far she's as perfect as she thinks she is

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    I've never seen an old corso book ?


    dogs kill deers , everybody knows that , right?? usually more than one of them , as far as your story , i'm sure that doe tried fighting that dog to protect her fawn , i'd seriously doubt the dog ran her down , I've seen 40mph dogs have trouble running down a deer ........








    here's some 40mph running dogs , trying to catch a rabbit .... my dogs kill rabbits regularly , they surround them in wood or brush piles ......




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  4. Justin B.

    Justin B. Well-Known Member

    Very nice pics I will watch the vids later.

    Yes agreed. Most Corso and as ussual especially the larger thicker ones lack endurance.

    There are legit lines and breeders out there that do have dogs that are head and shoulders above others with endurance. However, having so much mastiff blood and mastiff traits makes it an is what it is situation.

    Do remember where the Corso was from?

    This can be an example of how certain modern breed standards can actually help the breed. Part of me doesnt like and an open weight height standard. Part of me does because I have had many dogs bigger than standard that were just as good workers as the smaller dogs. To date my fastest and most athletic Corso was my 2nd biggest Corso ever. He was only 2nd biggest because I gave my Father his first pick son. Being elderly my parents pampered and over fed the dog. So even though he is the spitting image of his father( head slightly smaller but only noticeable by me) he was 10-15 pounds heavier. He had all the same athletic attributes but sice he was heavier and not as conditioned he was slightly slower. Also, its interseting to not at 10 years old my parents have stopped over feeding him and focus on keeping the extra weight off of him. Now that he is not overweight he is far more active and faster than his father was at that same age.

    I got a new adult female this past summer. Far too much drive and energy for her orignal owner to handle. She comes from one of the best and most knowledegable breeders around. He hates and stays off the internet so I wont mention his name or kennel. This female is around 110 lbs. She runs all day and I have yet to see her tire. I have not worked her hard because we are still going through Obedience. Manners. And basic bite and out work. I thought she was the fastest Corso I have ever seen. She routinely jumps over the 10 year old dogs back and tries to get him to play. I limit this because the dog is 10 and very large. Some of it is good exercise still for him. Other times his drive could cause him to do too much for his age and size. One day i watched him litterally run her down at top speed and knock her tumbling into the floor.

    Complete shock. But it let me know that there is some merit to some of my larger dogs still at the very least retaining or having the same if not better working attributes of smaller dogs. Or even dogs within standard.

    As for the deer incidents. There are some things you should consider that make it way more possible than you would think.

    - im sure other dogs dont hunt deer like hounds. And run them down
    - im sure they probably dont have anywhere near the same successes rate
    -there are old deer that are probably slower
    -there are always sick or injured deer
    -there are always deer with fawn like you mentioned
    These are common things that are regular circumstances that make it very possible for Large powerful dogs to catch them or even run them down by getting a jump or ambush
     
  5. Steven C

    Steven C Well-Known Member

    These DDB's look extremely athletic and amazing. You can see the ripped muscle mass in them which makes it obvious they were trained bigtime.

     
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  6. marke

    marke Well-Known Member

    a 10 yr old that's still going strong is impressive , longevity is not that common anymore ..... you go to some of these websites and they been breeding dogs 10yrs and they got all these "gone but not forgotten " dogs ......... how can you claim to be breeding health and your dogs are dying at 6-7yrs ?

    never knew who the corso was , surprisingly powerful dog , memorably so ....... his endurance could have been from lack of condition or just his temperament ...



    went through hundreds of shoes on those dogs , if they couldn't run they were pets , had some unbelievably expensive pets ........... imo , it worked ......dog folks would tell me their angulation was off , I spent years running behind every one of those dogs , you could put a glass of water on their back while they were trotting 10-15 mph and it probably wouldn't spill .....I've studied their tracks in the snow and mud , I was always satisfied ........... all the better running dogs I had , had very similar conformation , I didn't arbitrarily pick a conformation that should work , I picked functional dogs , whose function was to move ...... after awhile it became the conformation I was used to , actually it always looked ok to me , they were never as angulated as show folks would tell you they should be , never short backed , sometimes folks would tell me too long .... my selection method definitely eliminated any with breathing dysfunction ....... made for strong feet .... you watch a minute or so of that dog run in the video , she is completely symmetrical for all 50 minutes , she favors neither foot , and moves straight as an arrow ... mastiffs are notorious from my experience to favor a foot and sidewind ........ a lot of times they don't have a choice because their backs are too short for their leg , some I think just didn't grow up strong enough , at least that's my take on it ....I had a dog that paced , once , I tried to teach him not to , I was never successful , it's a horrible gait and expends a lot of energy ... you can somewhat hide sidewinding in a show ring , by moving the dog slow enough , get them going 10-15 mph and most of them will move like crap , not that some of them don't move like crap in a show ring trotting at 2-3mph anyway .......
     
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  7. southshore

    southshore Member

    WOW..... I am learning soo much! Thank you ALL for your contributions! Please keep contributing and the thread going!

    http://www.mastiff-forum.com/index.php?members/justin-b.18708/

    Justin B. Cocomo and Bel Monte Nero are both great looking dogs. Tell me what you think of this one.... FB_IMG_1516491892700.jpg FB_IMG_1515448688522.jpg FB_IMG_1516491892700.jpg FB_IMG_1515448688522.jpg FB_IMG_1515448388240.jpg FB_IMG_1515448419737.jpg FB_IMG_1515448334076.jpg FB_IMG_1515448486798.jpg FB_IMG_1516491841718.jpg received_1958631727484863.jpeg received_1958631787484857.jpeg

    Do leave your comments about this one. Thanks!
     
  8. Justin B.

    Justin B. Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I would notice that and think the same thing. I think its genetics. But I attribute a lot of it to diet and preventive care. Extra weight kills these dogs earlier but people are obsessed with size and weight. Also, people fall for a lot of the dog food hype. They dont take the time and effort to determine what is best for the individual dog.

    Wow. Great info on running your dogs. I am copying and pasting that post so I can pick up some ideas. There is a wealth of knowledge in there.

    I have found some of the the same things with the Cane Corso. Especially with the longer backed dogs. That rings so true to me. Again my best runners were the longer ones.
     
  9. mmmcc

    mmmcc Well-Known Member

    Beautiful dog. How big he is?
     
  10. Steven C

    Steven C Well-Known Member

    One of the few reasons we did not purchase another DDB's is the short life spans people are claiming. The fact that she is 10 and looks that great is amazing. I thought I broke records at 9 1/2 with mine that was in superb shape. It worried me people claiming 3 to 5 years from USA to Sweden to London. I said no way would I risk it and the breeder that I got my DDB from had closed a couple years after. This is him at 9 after surgery, not as ripped like yours but a very strong and fit DDB at 9.
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  11. southshore

    southshore Member

    He is a big dog. He is 27.5 inches and 150 pounds.

    And he has a long back and is quite athletic!
     
  12. RY86

    RY86 Member

  13. Justin B.

    Justin B. Well-Known Member

    Glad its helpful.

    Call me crazy, but I don't think ALL these pics are of the same dog....?????
    How did you come across these pics????

    Look at the white chest marks on the dog in the dog show photos... Now look at the white chest marking on the larger dog in the pen.
    Also note some of the photos have been edited and have the watermark from the editing app or software
    Also the cage dog appears a little east/west while the confirmation show dog pics are pretty straight.
    Crops and ears look different to me too.

    All this could possibly be angles and the dogs different expressions. or my bad laptop monitor. I would dig a little deeper on these pics. Some red flags

    The show dog pics are of a known confirmation champion. Perhaps BlackShadow can chime in on this too.

    Those are very nice dogs or dog. I would rather see more working pics or vids. But they sure are pretty and pass the eye test. I will hold back judgment until I am 100% sure they are all of the same dog.
     
  14. RY86

    RY86 Member

    Just wanted to share if anyone is interested, This is “Basir” and he is what the IFC standard is based from. An has been used today as a visual model of a correct Cane Corso standard. Believe it or not but Basir was said to have only weighed 97lbs. An is described as a medium build.
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  15. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    If your new dog came out of NY then I know your breeder, my foundation female comes from his older lines and at 9.5 years still acts more like a puppy that those she has produced. I honestly am less focused on the number on the scale and more focused on a balanced dog, however like everything else when there are no limitations there are those that go crazy and that results in having "bigger" dogs that could not run 1/2 a km let alone work for a day :(

     
  16. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    Be very careful using Billie's pictures if you haven't asked her, I don't know that she would mind but she might prefer you label who the dog. We are having a lot of pictures stolen in the past bit for others to sell litters, there was a breeder about 6-8 years ago who did a whole website based off stolen pictures... so many breeders found pictures of their adults and puppies on his site.
     
  17. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    Corso should not have a lot of angulation which is certainly a problem we are seeing and is causing its own issues with questions about destabilizing the knee if the dog is too angulated. On the flip side we are also seeing dogs with not enough angulation rupturing ACLs all the time :( it is a fine line which is why the breed calls for moderate angulation. It also should not be a square dog, for the reason's you stated above, square dogs can not perform the function a corso is supposed to be able to.

    Show ring sizes are one of the biggest arguments for those with working breeds, they are not large enough to really move out a dog well and see a good amount of movement. If you are lucky and there are only a few dogs in the ring you will have 3/4 of the ring to move around which is not enough to really view a good movement :( but there will always be issues no matter what one does, it is why it is important to understand structure outside of the show ring and while CH and ribbons are nice I will take someone who understands and breeds correct dogs that might not have those 2 letters in front of their name before I will take on that the breeder/owner has no clue and the dog's movement is crap.
     
  18. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    FCI standard
     
  19. RY86

    RY86 Member


    Yes you are correct FCI, I apologize my big thumb screwed that one up
     
  20. BlackShadowCaneCorso

    BlackShadowCaneCorso Super Moderator Staff Member

    No worries, there is a FIC or was at least and not sure what standard (if any) they use so didn't want any confusion
     

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