Cinder is sick....

[Iulicris88]

If her tummy hurts or she's nauseous she's not going to want to eat. Didn't the vet give her anything to help with the nausea and and pain? But it's good you're getting an x-ray as is better to be safe than sorry.

 

[dpenning]

Absolutely follow your instinct. You know her best! Thanks for keeping us posted.


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[Winter's Cinder]

"Cinder only ate a couple bites for supper last night... and she sniffed her breakfast once before just walking away...
Called the vet this morning and dropped her off about 8:45... they were gonna run a series of xrays throughout the day to see if she has a blockage...
Should know something by late this afternoon...
Thank you all for the love and support... we are about 5 mins from the vets office so Edwin and I are just trying to keep busy .... poor edwin was crying as we left the vets office without her.... he kept hugging her and telling her he was gonna miss her today....

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[Boxergirl]

I hope it's nothing. I'd have wanted the xrays done too, just to be safe. Poor Edwin.

 

[tmricciuto]

Poor babies. I hope everything is ok with Cinder. So scary when any of our babies are sick.

 

[Oscar'sMom]

I'm so sorry to hear Cinder is still feeling sick! Prayers that X-rays are ok! Thinking of you and your family!

 

[Winter's Cinder]

So the vet just called and they don't THINK they see any blockages at this time. They did see some inflammation and a few parts of her intestines seem to be a bit distended... so they are thinking it's gastroenteritis at this point... they want to keep her overnight for observation and do another xray first thing in the morning... they did give her some stuff that would help them see better if there were any blockages. ..
She took her time to explain everything to me which was appreciated... however, she did take the time to explain to me that if it is gastroenteritis, she believes this is from our feeding her a raw diet (yes this is that vet) and that she also believes we should consider changing her to the science diet (yep they sell it in the vets office) and if I do continue to feed her raw that I shouldn't be giving her the bones at all because they can impact together and cause a blockage themselves...
Now, appreciate her gusto sales pitch, and I understand she is trying to be an advocate for my puppy.... but could her raw diet have caused all this... its been almost 2 months since we've started and I was so careful to freeze everything to kill any bacteria and she only gets chicken bones....
The only thing I can honestly remember not freezing myself before giving it to her was the chunk of trachea from the locker last week... it was frozen at the locker and when I got it (how the locker stored it for me before pickup) and she only got that one chunk (the rest is in the freezer) ... so I could see where that could have done it...
Im greatful cinder doesn't need surgery.... im greatful there doesn't seem to be a blockage... but all the time I spent researching and meticulously doing everything by the book...could the entire raw diet be to blame? Should I start all over from scratch? Or should I scrap the whole thing and get a high quality kibble?

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[tmricciuto]

There is a possibility the 4 year old gave her something she shouldn't have, or one of the other peeps in the house dropped something she ate and that's what inflamed her gut. According to this it could be an allergy so maybe a new protein isn't working for her. Canine Gastroenteritis in Puppies | Dog Care - The Daily Puppy


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[Winter's Cinder]

There is a possibility the 4 year old gave her something she shouldn't have, or one of the other peeps in the house dropped something she ate and that's what inflamed her gut. According to this it could be an allergy so maybe a new protein isn't working for her. Canine Gastroenteritis in Puppies | Dog Care - The Daily Puppy


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I think it's more possible one of the kids gave her something or she picked something up she wasn't supposed to...
I meticulously introduced chicken, pork, venison, and beef over a 6 week period and no problems what so ever...
She did get that heavy cocktail of her last puppy shots (parvo/distemper/lepto), her rabies, and an interceptor wormer pill on friday at 8am and she started puking about 5 that night.... the first puke did reveal the kids had shared their doritos (*sigh*) ....
At this point it could of been anything...

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[NYDDB]

The poor pup just got a boat load of vaccines introduced into her system, at one time, and then some Doritos on top of it all (chemical "food" in my opinion)...I would be surprised if she wasn't sicker.

I would stay the course (she was doing so well on her raw food diet), help her detox the effects of the vaccines, and go back to her normal diet. And do not let the vet push her Science Diet crap on you...ugh.

Here is a link you may want to read through: Vaccine Cleansing from past vaccinations of heavy metals side effects - All Animal Natural Products

You are being prudent taking her to the vet, for x-rays, et. al.; don't beat yourself up because you have a sick pup. What I wrote above is merely my opinion, based on loads of research and learning from holistic animal people through the years. I would just suggest that you try to limit vaccines (or at the very least, space them apart), and do as much research into the vaccinations of our pets these days as you have with the raw food diet-- it really matters!

 

[angelbears]

I would find a new vet. It sounds like they are taking you to the cleaners. First, I would not let them keep her over night. Unless, it is an 24 hour, staffed clinic. There will be no-one there to check on her during the night. As for raw, yes, I feed raw and I think it is best for dogs. I don't believe it is the end all, be all. However, I would point to all the shots and interceptor that she got. Vomiting is a common side effect with the monthly dewormers. I would find it odd that Cinder was doing fine on raw and it wasn't until the cocktail of drugs that she got sick. Has Cinder been having bowel movements?

 

[BAMCB]

Oh wow I'm sorry you are going through this. I would definitely second the new vet at this point. I am very happy Cinder does not have a blockage! Gastroenteritis is extremely painful(don't eat Chinese food in France) but it is treatable. I hope Cinder is back home quick and Edwin is no longer sad.

 

[Hector]

Hopefully Cinder feels better soon.

 

[Winter's Cinder]

I would find a new vet. It sounds like they are taking you to the cleaners. First, I would not let them keep her over night. Unless, it is an 24 hour, staffed clinic. There will be no-one there to check on her during the night. As for raw, yes, I feed raw and I think it is best for dogs. I don't believe it is the end all, be all. However, I would point to all the shots and interceptor that she got. Vomiting is a common side effect with the monthly dewormers. I would find it odd that Cinder was doing fine on raw and it wasn't until the cocktail of drugs that she got sick. Has Cinder been having bowel movements?

I couldn't find all the paperwork from her shots in my panic to look for them... (facebook raw diet group went absolutely crazy when I updated my post there!!) So I called the vets office to ask about each booster (which I SHOULD have asked in the beginning) and right after I asked the secretary lady about which shots she was given in her boosters... the vet Lady came on, told me the boosters, and then, without missing a beat went right into how she believed it wasn't the shots, that it's the raw diet she's on... I kept my cool....
I do believe they have someone stay over night to observe... so I decided to let her stay for the night.... they will do one more xray in the morning and will call as soon as it's done... she did tell me that as long as nothing changes in what they are seeing, they will let her come home in the morning... and they will send home some antibiotics for her issue...
All kids are at school in the morning (youngest has preschool in the morning) and I have an xray, myself as soon as I can get there... so the hospital is right next door to the vet... I will be stopping and getting my baby as soon as possible after that...
Craig isn't happy after I told him what she said either... at this point I trust them enough to help her but we won't be going back there... after doing some more research this evening... I believe the cause of her issues was the shots.... and they are trying to cover their ass now...
I wouldn't be so upset about this whole thing, but she took some time to really get her point across about NOT feeding raw... I get some dogs have issues and don't tolerate it... I get some owners prefer kibble... to each their own... but this was a first for me to feed this way... I put a lot of time and love into it... and Cinder had ZERO issues over the course of 8 weeks... but that vet is making me feel bad because she doesn't approve of it...
At the very end of the phone call tonight, she mentioned they noticed in the xray her joints looked "abnormal" ... when I asked her to explain it... she said it was hard to really say with larger breeds because there was so much space in the joint area and how they grow, but they think she isn't getting enough calcium with her diet now, so maybe we need to explore a different vitamin and get her some more calcium if I was going to continue to feed raw... but she also made sure to remind me that I shouldn't be feeding her any bone at all anyway...
I truely believe this is her sales pitch to get me to buy more crap from their office.. there is one other vet in town and I will be giving them also call tomorrow.... if not... I know there are surrounding towns and I will continue my search... if worse comes to worse... I know there was an holistic vet listed about an hr away...

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[Winter's Cinder]

Oh wow I'm sorry you are going through this. I would definitely second the new vet at this point. I am very happy Cinder does not have a blockage! Gastroenteritis is extremely painful(don't eat Chinese food in France) but it is treatable. I hope Cinder is back home quick and Edwin is no longer sad.

I was so relieved she wasn't blocked too!!! I kept imaging a sock, or maybe a ninja turtle head!!! (All ninja turtles heads have been accounted for!!)
I feel so bad she is having pain (i can only relate it to as when I had a gall bladder issue and had it removed 3 yrs ago... that was enough pain for me!!!) And that pain was MY fault... I know I can't see everything.. but I should have been more voiceful and gotten more info on her vacs...
She should be home in the morning... and as for poor edwin... that little guy had a rough one this evening..

Side story for edwin.... the Disney movie the good dinosaur came out on DVD today... now we rent most movies... but after leaving cinder we went to the store to pick up some things and he spotted it... we have not seen it, and he is beside himself everytime the commercial comes on... and after the meltdown about leaving cinder at the vet... coupled with him really sweet and cute actually ASKING to get it... this momma caved and bought it....
And he was ever so patient about WAITING to even open it until his 3 sisters got home from school!! So after supper tonight, we all piled on the couch to watch it... all the kids were excited to see it, but edwin just giggled, oohhhh'd, and awed through the whole thing.... except the last 10 mins...
Youngest girl zonked out (she's a true sleeper) oldest girl meh.... (she's almost 13 ya know) middle girl... silent tears STREAMING down her face... (it's almost expected ... she cried when maleficent lost her wings) now edwin... he is trying so hard not to, but this little boy was losing the battle and was SOBBING!!!
And then I was wiping away tears because I missed cinder and she would have been piled on top of us all, but would have been right there licking his face and making him laugh...
*ugh* tomorrow morning can't get here soon enough!!!

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[tmricciuto]

I'm so sorry you are going through this. Just remember that now that you know better you can do better. I am considering switching vets also, although I like my vet they are always talking about nutrition and putting the girls on some crappy food. I like that they are really close, but would like to find a holistic vet that believes in feeding raw also.

 

[Boxergirl]

While I do think it's important to get full vaccinations for puppies, that was way too many vaccinations at one time. I surprised they included Lepto, which is know for bad reactions. Not that you shouldn't get the Lepto vac, but I'd have had that many shots done in about three visits, weeks apart. The Lepto by itself. We follow Jean Dodds vaccine protocol.

 

[BAMCB]

We have the the good dinosaur book on CD so I pray he forgets when we get in the car lol you can only listen to it a million times before you go insane. Hahahaha
I hope Cinder is home by now and Edwin has his puppy back by his side.
As for the vet I say to get a new one only because there seems to be no actual discussion, but more of a lecture, on her care. My vets may not suggest raw feeding to most clients but they still listen to me, make sure I'm doing research and offer what they can. Then they leave it alone. Same with spay/neuter. They still suggest six months but when I said I wanted later she admitted that the limited reading she had done on it made sense and agreed to it. I can appreciate that, while we may differ on some ideas, we both understand I am the owner and have the final say. Instead of just disagreeing and shitting down, they have open conversations, give their best advice or guidance and let it be. It's a working relationship and I can appreciate that. I hope you can find one you are comfortable with and has a mutual respect.

 

[BAMCB]

*** shutting down, not shitting. Too late to edit.

 

[Winter's Cinder]

I stopped in the vets office after I was done with my appt this morning (almost 9 am and they didn't call yet) and they still hadn't done the morning xray... but they brought her out to me and I was sitting on the floor with her in the room and she was def glad to see momma!!!
They took her back for the xray and I left to do some more errands... the vet called and said everything seems to be clear this morning and she gobbled down her breakfast (whoo hoo) they asked to keep her until after lunch to see if she was gonna vomit, so I agreed...
The vet did mention that all the inflammation they were seeing had gone down dramatically!!!
When I go in to pick her up I will get the full details of each booster she got and what was in them...
Im sure that will lead to another lecture, but they better be cool because they will be getting an earful... she already said she would be sending home a couple of sample bags of dog food, in case I wanted to consider her advice and taking her off the raw...

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