Changing stool - confusing time!

[JacksTheDog]

Just out of curiosity how expensive and difficult is chicken to buy? If it is not too expensive or hard to come by you can freeze it to kill any parasites that may be in it I freeze my wild game for at least a week before feeding. I do remember reading that mucus in the stool is usually caused by a bacterial infection in the digestive tract? If this is true the anti Bi's should clear that up I would recommend sticking with the chicken and rice for his diet for the time being with pumpkin and yogurt 1-2 tablespoons of each a day until he is in the clear. As for the food I usually do not like to see a food that does not have meat source for the first ingredient. However the ingredients in that food look good to me.

 

[NeSaxena]

I can buy all meat easily, but the meat we get here isn't bred for consumption. Most of the time, the animals we get are those on their way out (yes, sad I know!). I don't mind freezing, I have enough space. I didn't know freezing would make the meat better! Should I freeze, thaw out and then give it to him? Thinking about his tummy, will he be able to handle small amounts?
No mucus in stool today! Chalk up a small victory!

 

[musicdeb]

Freezing doesn't make the meat better. Freezing will kill parasites in the meat. Yes, freeze the meat for 2 weeks. Thaw it and then feed it to him. If you're feeding kibble, I'd recommend searing the meat or cooking it without the bone in. Cooking bones causes them to become brittle and could injure the pup. It's not really recommended to feed raw and kibble because it confuses the digestive system. I'm glad Boone is better today.

 

[NeSaxena]

Okay - I'll try the raw thing. I read through a couple of posts here on the raw diet, and I'd love it if he can hold it!

Like I said, my only concern is the quality of the meat here - even the vets here recommend against feeding raw because of the kind of meat.

 

[musicdeb]

If you are concerned about the meat, then I would not feed it to the pup. You can order raw food online but I'm not sure about shipping to India. There are a number of companies. A lot of people on the forum order from Hare Today. There are others too. I do not remember the names because I do not order raw online.

I would say, if a vet recommends no raw based on quality of meat, then I would probably not feed it to my pup.

 

[NeSaxena]

Then I'll stay away from raw! Hare today won't deliver to India (I checked some time ago).

It is like no one in this country gives a damn about anyone else - forget animals!

 

[JacksTheDog]

Allot of vets recommend against raw mine included, however that is the only way I will ever feed my dogs after many many hours of research I can not find a better way of feeding. Allot of vets do not get much schooling when it comes to nutrition and only have a limited knowledge base, kind of like how we have docs and nutritionists separately.I am not trying to advocate raw I realize that it is not for every one and may not be for you. However I have done allot of research on the digestive system of dogs and come to realize that they can handle allot more than what we think and are affected drastically in different ways to foods that we would normally deem safe. I have seen my dogs face first in some of the nastiest things found on walks in the woods or by the lake dead and rotting animals, fish, feces all sorts of things that we would assume would cause them to keel over but they never do. Dogs have a shortened digestive tract that allows them to deal with higher levels of bacteria such as salmonella etc... On the other hand if I give my EM food containing grains or corn he will break out with cysts on his joules, just goes to show you how different they are I have even allowed them to eat wild squirrels that they themselves have caught and killed! This is just FYI I guess my point is that if you understand your dogs system you may be better able to understand the reactions to his food. Sorry if I just gave you even more to research.

 

[NeSaxena]

Sorry if I just gave you even more to research.

Of course not! I did a lot of research on raw and I'm an advocate as well! In fact, my best friend is in the UK and I spoke to her about raw for her dogs (7 - can you believe that?!). They're now doing fabulously on the diet!
I have no issues with raw except for what I've mentioned. Maybe it is pure paranoia - but I've seen people fall really ill because of *slightly* under-cooked food! I don't know folks here with their dogs on a raw diet, so I don't have that feedback.

 

[musicdeb]

I'm with ya, NeSaxena, I would be a leary of going raw due to your meat conditions in India. Go with your heart after logically thinking it through

 

[ruthcatrin]

Of course not! I did a lot of research on raw and I'm an advocate as well! In fact, my best friend is in the UK and I spoke to her about raw for her dogs (7 - can you believe that?!). They're now doing fabulously on the diet!
I have no issues with raw except for what I've mentioned. Maybe it is pure paranoia - but I've seen people fall really ill because of *slightly* under-cooked food! I don't know folks here with their dogs on a raw diet, so I don't have that feedback.

I don't know that I blame you personally. IN GENERAL, dogs are much more tolerant of bacteria in their food than humans. But in a situation where the meat is, well, less than steller, I don't know that I'd feed raw either. I spent a summer in Thailand several years ago. One of our first trips in to go to market we passed the meat market. I ate vegitarian for the rest of the trip (and I've never been very squiemish, but yah......).

 

[NeSaxena]

I don't know that I blame you personally. IN GENERAL, dogs are much more tolerant of bacteria in their food than humans. But in a situation where the meat is, well, less than steller, I don't know that I'd feed raw either. I spent a summer in Thailand several years ago. One of our first trips in to go to market we passed the meat market. I ate vegitarian for the rest of the trip (and I've never been very squiemish, but yah......).

Lolz! To paint a picture for you - Thailand has BETTER meat than India.

And I value everyone's advice here, hence the tons of questions! Thank you guys for all the help so far! I'm going to keep bugging you for more!

 

[ruthcatrin]

Lolz! To paint a picture for you - Thailand has BETTER meat than India.

eeeeeewwwwww

 

[NeSaxena]

eeeeeewwwwww

Correctomundo!

 

[JacksTheDog]

I def see your point and in your case would agree that raw may not be the best choice.

 

[NeSaxena]

His stool had started firming up. Yesterday, I'd added a (table) spoon full of the new kibble in his food with all three meals. His loosies came back with a vengeance! To the rate that he could not hold it back at night - I woke up to a couple of sets of loosies. (He has been able to hold his poo all night since about 4 weeks now).

I'm taking him off all kibble and putting him back on yogurt, pumpkin and rice for his morning meal. Any suggestions on what next?

 

[ruthcatrin]

Poor pup! I'm thinking to Do yogurt and pumpkin and rice for a day or two. Its not ideal, but maybe we can reset his sytem? Then start over with the new kibble?

 

[NeSaxena]

Yeah, I was thinking "reset" too. Should I fast him for one meal today? Maybe skip afternoon?

 

[M & M]

Go RAW........ It isn't that much more in money...... If you hit sales & talk to butchers at market, you know the days they mark down meat.... They poop less & believe me I had a shit storm with my two EM's..... Plus you know exactly what they are eating....... My EM's went through hell with kibbles plus the cost for two WOW....... But I talked to a few on here & they are so wise about EM's & RAW diet.... Within a week, M&M where normal..... Oh forgot the treats, we all want to treat our baby poop heads..... Don't, Don't Don't until they are used to whatever works & then make your own.... It is what I do & it's not hard..... Google it or I can give you some of my recipes for doggie bones, chews or training treats...... EM's have dietary issues, I know & so do the elders on here from what I went through...... Some times kibbles no matter how expensive & good will not work.... Your pup is crapping a lot??? So did M&M, times yours by two...... LOL I gotta laugh, I read my past posts & my FB page "slide on my ass through a river of poo in kitchen" & all I wanted was my coffee........ LOL

 

[ruthcatrin]

Go RAW........ It isn't that much more in money...... If you hit sales & talk to butchers at market, you know the days they mark down meat.... They poop less & believe me I had a shit storm with my two EM's..... Plus you know exactly what they are eating....... My EM's went through hell with kibbles plus the cost for two WOW....... But I talked to a few on here & they are so wise about EM's & RAW diet.... Within a week, M&M where normal..... Oh forgot the treats, we all want to treat our baby poop heads..... Don't, Don't Don't until they are used to whatever works & then make your own.... It is what I do & it's not hard..... Google it or I can give you some of my recipes for doggie bones, chews or training treats...... EM's have dietary issues, I know & so do the elders on here from what I went through...... Some times kibbles no matter how expensive & good will not work.... Your pup is crapping a lot??? So did M&M, times yours by two...... LOL I gotta laugh, I read my past posts & my FB page "slide on my ass through a river of poo in kitchen" & all I wanted was my coffee........ LOL

MM, please read the thread. Raw's not an option here.

Nesaxena, I'd not fast him personally. Just go bland. I vaugely recall you saying he did badly on boiled chicken? Can you get ground beef? Or turkey? Those can be boiled and added to the mix for protein.

 

[NeSaxena]

Go RAW........ It isn't that much more in money...... If you hit sales & talk to butchers at market, you know the days they mark down meat.... They poop less & believe me I had a shit storm with my two EM's.....

M & M, I really wish I could go raw with him, genuinely, please believe me. Money is absolutely NO object if it means he's getting the best there is. I'm in India and the meat here is crap! Feeding raw meat to him here would mean him getting worse.

I don't mind parcooking the meat before giving it to him - will that be effective as well? Do you think that could work for him? Does that take away nutritional values?