Bully Kutta

[TylerDurden]

I‘ve read a lot about the breed, however, most of the information is controversial, and it‘s very hard to differentiate between facts and fictions. Are there any serious websites, reports, or reviews? There is a video from "Dogumentary TV" on YouTube, but that‘s about. I‘m bot planning on ever owning such a dog, but asking out of curiosity. Thank you.

 

[Pastor Dave]

The Bow Wow channel has much to say about the amazing and affectionate Mastiff. You didn't mention the specific breed, but you might have meant "mastiff." Lots of hair, some slinging of drool, but wow...there is just something about these giant breeds, especially the adoring mastiff who really loves me.

 

[TylerDurden]

The Bow Wow channel has much to say about the amazing and affectionate Mastiff. You didn't mention the specific breed, but you might have meant "mastiff." Lots of hair, some slinging of drool, but wow...there is just something about these giant breeds, especially the adoring mastiff who really loves me.

Thanks, Pastor Dave. Yes, I‘m familiar with the Mastiff (I own a male EM). My post was referring to the "Bully Kutta", which stems from Asia (India/Punjab region). Sorry, I should have mentioned it in my text not only in the thread name.

 

[Boxergirl]

I don't know much about this breed at all, but I do remember there were a few discussions on the board years ago. I seem to recall people saying they felt that there was no continuity in the breed and some were of the opinion that they were nothing more than a designer breed. I don't think we ever had a member that owned one.

 

[Justin B.]

There is a member here who is very familiar with the breed. In fact he is actually working with some breeders at the moment to get more first hand info. Ill see if he will let me post the info or not.

I have done a ton of research on the breed. And have a ton of dvds on them.
Like all working large breeds some of the lore is true and some of it is mythology.

 

[Justin B.]

I don't know much about this breed at all, but I do remember there were a few discussions on the board years ago. I seem to recall people saying they felt that there was no continuity in the breed and some were of the opinion that they were nothing more than a designer breed. I don't think we ever had a member that owned one.

They are not a designer breed. It is a legit breed there are certain types. They seem to be as inconsistent as the Tosa, Fila, and the South African Boerboel when it comes to type and size though.

Some of the working lines and type does seem to breed a lot truer to where a real breed standard could be developed. I would argue some of these types and lines have more continuity than that of the breeds I mentioned above.

Because this dog is a true working dog. Type and standard are not as important as the dogs ability to perform its working task.

 

[Boxergirl]

They are not a designer breed. It is a legit breed there are certain types. They seem to be as inconsistent as the Tosa, Fila, and the South African Boerboel when it comes to type and size though.

Some of the working lines and type does seem to breed a lot truer to where a real breed standard could be developed. I would argue some of these types and lines have more continuity than that of the breeds I mentioned above.

Because this dog is a true working dog. Type and standard are not as important as the dogs ability to perform its working task.

Like I said, I don't know much about the breed and I don't know enough to have an opinion of my own. I would like to learn more from someone with first hand experience.

 

[Justin B.]

Like I said, I don't know much about the breed and I don't know enough to have an opinion of my own. I would like to learn more from someone with first hand experience.

There is a ton of good first hand info available online now. Still a lot of scam 2nd hand material too. Some kennels in Pakistan even have social media pages now. Waiting on a member here to confirm they are legit and verified.

 

[TylerDurden]

Thank you all for the active contribution. I‘m looking forward to learning more about the breed from credible sources. What I‘ve read definitely caught my interest, although the breed does not seem to fit my lifestyle at all. Again, it‘s just personal curiosity, rather than thinking about owning one myself.

 

[Nik]

They are not a designer breed. It is a legit breed there are certain types. They seem to be as inconsistent as the Tosa, Fila, and the South African Boerboel when it comes to type and size though.

Some of the working lines and type does seem to breed a lot truer to where a real breed standard could be developed. I would argue some of these types and lines have more continuity than that of the breeds I mentioned above.

Because this dog is a true working dog. Type and standard are not as important as the dogs ability to perform its working task.

I am not familiar with this breed but that is super interesting to me. I've always been particularly impressed with working breeds. I am not looking to add to my own pack but I do always love to learn more. I hope the member you say is involved with the breed chimes in. I am curious to learn more as well.

 

[Justin B.]

I am not familiar with this breed but that is super interesting to me. I've always been particularly impressed with working breeds. I am not looking to add to my own pack but I do always love to learn more. I hope the member you say is involved with the breed chimes in. I am curious to learn more as well.

I will ask him for sure. It is a super interesting breed. Surrounded by a lot of different rumors.

I would be happy to share what I know. But it just comes from talking to certain breeders over the last decade and hours and hours of video they sent. I still want to get confirmation about the things i have been told too

 

[TylerDurden]

Justin, that would be extremely interesting. I definitely understand that you would like to get confirmation first. Regardless, you probably have more knowledge than all of us combined, so whatever you can share is much appreciated.

 

[Justin B.]

Justin, that would be extremely interesting. I definitely understand that you would like to get confirmation first. Regardless, you probably have more knowledge than all of us combined, so whatever you can share is much appreciated.

Ill try to post what I know or found out and have some proof of first hand. Keep in mind I wouldnt consider myself an expert on these dogs. I have never owned one.
-They are the height of great danes but ussually of thicker bone structure.
-Ussually all white or mostly white. Can have bulldog markings and coloring. Can be brindled. Can be fawn. Can be spotted. Black too allegedly
- There are 2 similar types I like. There are many many many different slang terms for these 2 types depending on the region.
-One type resembles an all White American Pitbull Terrier head on a well built Dane body.
-The 2nd type has the same height but is a little thicker it has more dulap and wrinkles especially under kneck. Head is slight more boxy and broad. One of the most impressive dogs I have seen.
-The males can be very dog Aggressive
-The are 100% a game working dogs
- Unfortunaly they have huge fighting tournaments with tons of spectators. Looks like people watching a popular soccer or football game.
- never seen a dog that large have such endurance especially in the heat.
-They have been imported to Japan to be matched with Tosa Inus. The Tosas won.
- They were primarily bred for field fighting and baiting
-Extreme tolerance for pain
-Durring British colonization Great Danes and Brittish bull and terrier breeds began crossing with Indigenous Pakistani and Indian mastiffs. Or what some would call the Original Bully Kutta.
This is why there are different types. Subject of much debate. Same story for every country and their native dogs though. As per ussual the best examples of the breed show traits of mastiff, Bull, and Terrier.
-Also said to have been originally created as a live stock guardian dog and guard dog....

Many fakes out there. Also many poor example even in its homeland.

 

[TylerDurden]

Thanks so much, Justin. Especially your first bullet point is what caught my interest originally "tall as great danes but of thicker bone structure". That's just an impressive and very unique combination. However, it seems that they are really not made for a "normal" domestic lifestyle as part of an average family.

Is there an approximate number as far as the total population in the US is concerned? I know it's very hard to guess, but I would be surprised if it was even in the hundreds. Also, has anyone here successfully bred them after importing from Asia?

 

[Justin B.]

Thanks so much, Justin. Especially your first bullet point is what caught my interest originally "tall as great danes but of thicker bone structure". That's just an impressive and very unique combination. However, it seems that they are really not made for a "normal" domestic lifestyle as part of an average family.

Is there an approximate number as far as the total population in the US is concerned? I know it's very hard to guess, but I would be surprised if it was even in the hundreds. Also, has anyone here successfully bred them after importing from Asia?

Anytime. Happy to talk dogs.

I knew of a large Game Bred American Pitbull Kennel that did import and train some In America . It was just too dark and illegal for me to stick my nose into it I didnt ask. I wanted no part of that. They advertised it on their website too.

There was a guy who was wealthy and had many Tosas here in the US. He contacted me by phone well over a decade ago. He had seen some of my post online and wanted my source for vids and pics. Im sure he eventually got his hands on some. Dude was legit and dead set on importing them. We had ran into the same road blocks.

Also, that Brad Anderson guy imported 2 females I think. He seems to have a TON of knowledge on all breeds.

I know some very very high level examples have been imported to China. You can find videos of them online. Russian and Chinese Tube sites have lots of video of what I would consider pure Bully Kuttas in other counties.

I bet you can count on 2 hands how many good examples have been successfully exported.

Yes from all accounts they show that they are definitely not meant for a normal domestic life style.

However, some of the things Brad Anderson has found out first hand on those Dogumentary videos contradict what some of the breeders say about the Bully Kutta. I think he has exposed some of the breed mythology with them. I think he says his does just fine in a domestic setting. But keep in mind he seems to be an expert dogman. His ability and resources may have helped his dog adjust better.

 

[TylerDurden]

Anytime. Happy to talk dogs.

I knew of a large Game Bred American Pitbull Kennel that did import and train some In America . It was just too dark and illegal for me to stick my nose into it I didnt ask. I wanted no part of that. They advertised it on their website too.

There was a guy who was wealthy and had many Tosas here in the US. He contacted me by phone well over a decade ago. He had seen some of my post online and wanted my source for vids and pics. Im sure he eventually got his hands on some. Dude was legit and dead set on importing them. We had ran into the same road blocks.

Also, that Brad Anderson guy imported 2 females I think. He seems to have a TON of knowledge on all breeds.

I know some very very high level examples have been imported to China. You can find videos of them online. Russian and Chinese Tube sites have lots of video of what I would consider pure Bully Kuttas in other counties.

I bet you can count on 2 hands how many good examples have been successfully exported.

Yes from all accounts they show that they are definitely not meant for a normal domestic life style.

However, some of the things Brad Anderson has found out first hand on those Dogumentary videos contradict what some of the breeders say about the Bully Kutta. I think he has exposed some of the breed mythology with them. I think he says his does just fine in a domestic setting. But keep in mind he seems to be an expert dogman. His ability and resources may have helped his dog adjust better.

Agreed on the Brad Anderson video. If I remember correctly, he was walking a relatively young female, which didn't show any signs of (dog) aggression. However, it seemed like if he was still learning and exploring the breed himself, so quite a lot could have changed as she matured. It would be interesting to find out how she's doing. There were a few posts on his Instagram account on her.

You are correct, he is very experienced on a great variety of dog breeds and really detail oriented. While the Bully Kutta obviously can be dog aggressive, I would be interested to what degree proper socialization can change that. I don't necessarily believe that this has been "tested" a lot. Brad is a great example, and I'm sure he could share a lot more about the behavioral aspects. He mentions something about "Bully Kutta International" but I have only been able to locate a FB page, which doesn't look overly credible to me. Any insight?

 

[April Nicole]

Bully Kutta is an awesome breed. Of course I've never had the pleasure of seeing one, but the videos I've seen are pretty impressive animals! The ones I've seen are tall with broad chest and a long whippet like tail.

 

[Justin B.]

Agreed on the Brad Anderson video. If I remember correctly, he was walking a relatively young female, which didn't show any signs of (dog) aggression. However, it seemed like if he was still learning and exploring the breed himself, so quite a lot could have changed as she matured. It would be interesting to find out how she's doing. There were a few posts on his Instagram account on her.

You are correct, he is very experienced on a great variety of dog breeds and really detail oriented. While the Bully Kutta obviously can be dog aggressive, I would be interested to what degree proper socialization can change that. I don't necessarily believe that this has been "tested" a lot. Brad is a great example, and I'm sure he could share a lot more about the behavioral aspects. He mentions something about "Bully Kutta International" but I have only been able to locate a FB page, which doesn't look overly credible to me. Any insight?

At the end of the day its all about how you socialize and train your dog. However, you should always take extra precaution when you own a fighting breed like that. Be careful to notice triggers and know that its deep in their nature. That they wont be cool with every dog. And that another dog's attitude can easily trigger them.
Keep in mine hes probably an expert dog man and has A LOT of dogs. So im sure that was key with socializing his female. Also, being imported or shipped as a puppy that far may imprint the dog severely and cause it to be more socialized.

I heard Brad mention that place too in that video. I am not familiar with them. I can try to look them up.

 

[TWW]

They are not a designer breed. It is a legit breed there are certain types. They seem to be as inconsistent as the Tosa, Fila, and the South African Boerboel when it comes to type and size though.

Some of the working lines and type does seem to breed a lot truer to where a real breed standard could be developed. I would argue some of these types and lines have more continuity than that of the breeds I mentioned above.

Because this dog is a true working dog. Type and standard are not as important as the dogs ability to perform its working task.

There is far more of a standard with the Boerboel and the Tosa than the Bully Kutta, the Boerboel had a debate between 3 lines, the Tosa with show and actual fighting dogs of the breed.

The Bully Kutta has to many lines and so much Great Dane, EM and other breeds being bred into it in the last 20 years for size and look that it is hard to even call it a breed anymore.

 

[Justin B.]

There is far more of a standard with the Boerboel and the Tosa than the Bully Kutta, the Boerboel had a debate between 3 lines, the Tosa with show and actual fighting dogs of the breed.

The Bully Kutta has to many lines and so much Great Dane, EM and other breeds being bred into it in the last 20 years for size and look that it is hard to even call it a breed anymore.

Of course. Thats because there is no standard for the modern BK. They dont have an official club to set a standard for or a real papered registry.

What we are talking about is consistency aka breeding true.
There are working lines that breed true though and consistent.
When i see dogs at the tournaments there are dozens and dozens of dogs that one could set a real Modern standard for. Same size. Same structure. Same type. Way more consistency than if you see Tosas at a tournament.

I still definitely think the breed over all has had great dane and bull and terrier infused into them.
I definitely believe the modern Bully Kutta is different today from the orignal Pakistani and Indian Mastiffs.
But that can be said about a lot of modern breeds. Like the Presa,Neo, and CC.