Black and Tan Corso?

[I3rendanG]

How sure are we that the Black and Tan / blue and Tan corso markings are influenced by other breeds? Sure everyone has heard of the American cane corso, the corso organato and pugliese (sp) but they are all variants of the same thing.

I think it's interesting at which colors authoritarian agencies accept. Very similar to how the English mastiff has a piebald morph that is frowned upon and not actively selected for. With brindled and fawn color dogs becoming the standard - we begin to discredit genetic diversity.

I bring this up because there was a lively debate on a pure corso I had been working with at my training club. Regardless of how a dog is bred in my opinion if it works - it works.

He was a young Black and Tan male and people argued that it had obviously been infused with Rottie blood.

To which I responded and shared - not necessarily. The father of my dog was half corso half neo and actually has the Black (blue) and Tan gene. He's sired two litters with the same blue female and all babies came out as either tawny or blue.

I'm just sharing that some colors have most likely artificially selected for in an attempt to standardize a bandog type breed and that all may not be as it seems.

There are no rotties 3 gen back in Roco's pedigree the half corso/neo and I thought it would be interesting to share.

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[marke]

the folks saying it is obviously the infusion of rott blood , apparently don't know the background of their own dogs ........ Mikey Sottile told me himself they were a working breed , not a pure breed . I guess someone other than him may have been bringing them here in the mid 1980's or previously , I can't speak on their dogs , but mike brought what he liked here , I think it was his nephew that was breeding them in Italy , he told me they came in all different types , them farmers bred all kinds of dogs in them ...... it's a pretty recent "purebred " from what I was told , by recent i'd mean the 1980's ......... I would compare them to American bulldogs , much better job done on them than American bulldogs ..... the color constraint helped keep them from being bred like AB's , which is still a free for all , and the majority of them could not possibly be considered a purebreed dog even today, even though the breed is every bit as old , if not older than the cc ........

 

[Iulicris88]

Whatever the pup in the picture is, he is very good looking. I will say though that he reminds me a lot of my previous dog, who was half rottie.

 

[I3rendanG]

I appreciate your feedback mark.
These dogs however are in Australia...

There's a large Italian population in Australia - and having a very close relationship with some first and second gen immigrants - they had shared that their family coming from Sicily had the option between the US and AUS.

Half went to NYC. The other half Canberra/Syd/Melbourne

Dogs in the states really seem to have been used as a commodity - social status and prestige especially "exotic mastiff types"
Americans pay top dollar for their dogs.

Many of the neapolitans and corsos and other Italian based bulldog bandogs seen in AUS are used in a much more traditional sense - industrial agriculture is not quite the same scale as many Australians have active family farming traditions.

Many of the traditional livestock guardians - Neapolitans/corsos included are utilized as livestock guardians - and have a very different look to them.

I hypothesize that with immigration came a different use of dogs based upon the landscape in which they settled. And that in some ways - a large family farming culture and lack of industrial agriculture helped preserve the breed

Scour any Australian classifieds and take a look at the neapolitans and cane corsos. They have a very different look to the types here in the states. And I do think that may be a reflection of their primary usage historically.

They are first and foremost a "working dog" - the only standardized color for a working dog is its ability to do a job-earning it's right to be fed.


And who knows. He may have a touch of rottie. But the markings arnt quite Rottweiler - he's a single coated dog-and all the pups I've seen him throw look uniquely Italian bulldog.


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[I3rendanG]

Especially when many sources state the presence of Black and Tan corsos having been in existence.

If many of the mastiffs are related to the Tibetan Mastiff-why is it so hard to believe that the gene wouldn't be present?
Genetics are weirdly wonderful!


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[I3rendanG]

Then again - real cane corsos are a double coated breed...slightly shorter in type than a Rottweiler.

So who knows?! I was just looking to share [emoji16]


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[marke]

this is a quote from Mike Sottile jr.

to straighten out all the controversy i will tell you exaxctly what the corso is it is a type of banddogge for lack of a better term.in italy its fisrt official certification was in empoli in the spring of 1992 which i attended myself and my father michael sr.piancoe-gandolfi were both there .there was about 150 dogs roughly maybe more maybe less i cant tell you exactly it was a while ago,but what i can tell you is the italian version was a real mongrel no specific breed type because everyone thru in there own version some had boxer-neo,others had dogo-neo,dane,boxer,pit,am staff-some even had maremma sheepdog some had all the above .how a judge could certify this animal pure was beyond my comprehension as a educated dogman.but one thing it did for the american corso was give us credibility in marketing our own brand of corso not the american corso because that would be giving everyone credit for this breed in the USA only one family gets credit in my eyes the sottile family mainly michael sr(mickey) to his closests freinds and myself mike jr we created this version and no one else deserves credit in the USA but michael sr and mike jr (myself) i am not saying no one has had sucess besides us ,but they owe us 100% of there sucess and popularity of there dogs to us. and if you cane corso breeders in the USA THINK I AM DONE AS A BREEDER YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN IN FACT ONLY I KNOW THE TRUE BREEDINGS OF YOUR STOCK AND WITHOUT ME YOU ARE DESTROYING YOUR DOGS TEMPERMENT WITH EVERY BREEDING YOU MAKE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW YOUR DOG IS BRED AND CROSSING IT INTO ITALIAN DOGS AND THERE STOCK WILL MAKE A REAL BAD MONGREL. I AM AVAILABLE FOR BREEDING CONSULTATIONS AND MOLLOSER SEMINARS FOR A FEE THANK YOU AND GOD BLES YOU AND YOUR SOTTILE BANDDOGGES . MIKE SOTTILE

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

The dog pictured above would not be considered a rottie type marking, it would be more a sable likely. Black and Tan was seen the breed in Italy as well as the US it still does come out from lines that do not have American blood. It does not mean that there were not mixes as I am sure that there were in some kennels but it just means that you can't conclude that all of them are mixes. Unless one was there for every possible interaction for the breed on either side of the ocean you could not be certain of anything.

 

[I3rendanG]

Agreed. Some interesting photos of the sabling you mention

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[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

There you go It is usually referred to as carbon and in a lot of cases the black tipped hair falls out as they mature but there are some dogs that continue to maintain it.

 

[Elana P]

Agreed. Some interesting photos of the sabling you mention

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[DennasMom]

The black & tan pup in the original post looks more Hound than Rottie, to me... but I have no idea on actual CC genes if that's in their past makeup or not.
It also looks more like a shepherd 'saddle' on that pup's back than just tan socks...