Australian Bandog Introduction

[I3rendanG]

Hey All,Just wanted to take a minute to introduce my 9mo Bandog Pup from Australia, Cairo. I spent some time overseas and have always loved functional working dogs. The chance to own a neapolitan/canecorso mastiff capable of doing more traditional work (livestock guardians and hunters) was a chance I just couldn't pass up. His parents are from long time hog hunting lines in Queensland, and consist of deep generation Neapolitan/CaneCorso/Pitbull. Watching them work as catchdogs was quite a sight to behold. Seeing how I'm not much of a hog hunter, I figured the drives necessary to catch and hold hogs, are similar to those necessary in Personal Protection. We are currently enrolled in club that specializes in bully breeds and he's doing exceptionally well. I'm looking forward to updating you all on his progress. I'm not too good at this photo thing (maybe photo bucket is the wrong image hosting website but please follow the links below)5weekshttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsku8xroco.jpeghttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps5ckzglil.jpeg9weekshttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsida4f1gl.jpeg16weekshttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsk8a2qn3b.jpeg7monthshttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsskkea6pp.jpeg8/9monthshttp://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/Bmgrocks/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsruvmbddz.jpegI'm currently keeping him on the lighter size at 28" at the shoulder and 115lbs. I'm thinking he'll end up around 135-140lbs and maybe 29" at the Shoulders....

 

[I3rendanG]

Here he is at 5 weeks old

 

[I3rendanG]

9 weeks 4 months 6 months 8 months

 

[marke]

great looking pup ..... while protection work with my dogs has never been my thing , over the years i've had many friends and aquaintances who were into to it , and actually trained protection dogs for a living ....... your pic appears to be your pup being worked in defense , i'd imagine coming from catchdogs he has a decent amount of prey ? has he worked in that ? i have seen young dogs started out and trained based solely on defense , it's a commitment ....... i personally knew an akita pup that was trained like that , he grew up to be a serious liability ......... not questioning your method , you know your pups temperament , and the purpose for your dog . just wondered why , assuming he is being worked in defense , i mean it's only one pic ....... again he looks pretty cool .......

 

[I3rendanG]

Appreciate the concern Marke, and a great eye at that. He actually has loads of prey drive, and that has primarily been what he's been worked under. As you're well aware. Mastiffs are naturally defense driven, and being so young he's never really tapped into it. During this particular session he was being worked under prey with heavy distraction before the bottles were tossed to the way side and he was forced to maintain eye contact - one of his weaker points. I do not want a defense heavy dog-esp one this young-who hasn't yet realized he's a mastiff and has yet to tap into his defensive drive yet. It is important while working through personal protection to be the architect of your own dog. And while I do prefer he is worked primarily in prey-keeping the fun/game alive until he is mature enough to handle the pressure and being placed into defense-I do feel like testing him occasionally to maintain eye contact and forward aggression is necessary to help encourage and build defensive confidence. A good dog as you know is capable of switching inbetween drives quickly and easily. And a defense heavy mastiff at such a young age is def capable of becoming a liability. I'm not ready for that type of suspicion this early and agree, defense heavy training is best when the dog is mentally mature enough to handle higher and consistent amounts of pressure.

 

[Hector]

Nice looking pup! Is that a giant schnauzer you have there?

 

[gilles]

nice pup..i would not recommend defense and protection work for giant dogs before 2 years ..

 

[irina]

My question is what is the purpose of creating this type of bandog? If they are used primarily for hog hunting, aren't Dogos already doing the same thing? How would this new creation be better? Not criticizing, just curious.

 

[marke]

My question is what is the purpose of creating this type of bandog? If they are used primarily for hog hunting, aren't Dogos already doing the same thing? How would this new creation be better? Not criticizing, just curious.

i think in the United States most often you'll see pitbulls , pitbull crosses , american bulldogs and ab crosses ,.........

 

[marke]

Appreciate the concern Marke, and a great eye at that. He actually has loads of prey drive, and that has primarily been what he's been worked under. As you're well aware. Mastiffs are naturally defense driven, and being so young he's never really tapped into it. During this particular session he was being worked under prey with heavy distraction before the bottles were tossed to the way side and he was forced to maintain eye contact - one of his weaker points. I do not want a defense heavy dog-esp one this young-who hasn't yet realized he's a mastiff and has yet to tap into his defensive drive yet. It is important while working through personal protection to be the architect of your own dog. And while I do prefer he is worked primarily in prey-keeping the fun/game alive until he is mature enough to handle the pressure and being placed into defense-I do feel like testing him occasionally to maintain eye contact and forward aggression is necessary to help encourage and build defensive confidence. A good dog as you know is capable of switching inbetween drives quickly and easily. And a defense heavy mastiff at such a young age is def capable of becoming a liability. I'm not ready for that type of suspicion this early and agree, defense heavy training is best when the dog is mentally mature enough to handle higher and consistent amounts of pressure.

i've seen trainers do some really ridiculous things in training dogs , i've seen guys go from not knowing which end to feed to "master trainers" in a couple years ......... good luck with your pup he looks like he is going to be a beast .........

 

[I3rendanG]

My question is what is the purpose of creating this type of bandog? If they are used primarily for hog hunting, aren't Dogos already doing the same thing? How would this new creation be better? Not criticizing, just curious.

A bandog is typically any mastiff type dog bred to a "bull and terrier" with the intent of creating a dog with the high prey drive fight drive athleticism and tenacity from the Bulldogs with the size strength and defense drive of the mastiffs. Historically bandogs that have become bonified breeds exist all over. The most popular being the bull mastiff. Presas corsos dogos could all technically be considered bandog type. A bandog is bred for a specific purpose, with emphasis placed on its ability to do a job. Typically one would look for high prey drive (atypical of mastiffs) and high defense drive (atypical of some bulldog types)In Australia dogos and pitbulls are illegal. And just because a dog breed historically was used as a hog hunter or a bird dog doesn't mean that all individuals are capable of doing the work. Kind of like how Every German Shepard isn't police dog material. Some of the crosses that are used for hunting are a mix of multiple breeds. Taking the best to the best. A well known example down under is the bull Arab which breeds true and is its own breed. Not so much one for the conformation ring. It is primarily used as a working dog. Again emphasis placed more so on ability than looks. It's a deep generation cross of English bull terrier. German shorthair pointer. Greyhound. Bull terrier for tenacity. Pointer for scenting ability. Greyhound for sight and speed. Hope that helps clarify some things!

 

[irina]

Thank you, that does make sense. Dogos being illegal is pretty ridiculous, but I guess that's why they had to create another dog to do the same job.

 

[L20]

Wow, that pup is gorgeous...

 

[I3rendanG]

Nice looking pup! Is that a giant schnauzer you have there?

Thanks, she is a Giant Schnauzer - 12yr and a Piece of Work at that!!!

 

[I3rendanG]

10mo now and really starting to come into his own these past few months socially. No longer the relatively shy timid pup he was from 4-6 months but confident and much more assertive. Defensive behavior of the house is more apparent, he was never extremely vocal despite a relatively sharp Giant in the house. What I thought was stalled growth becomes apparent in the photo. I'll keep up the two month progress shots. Enjoy. He's 50% neo 25% corso 25% apt

 

[I3rendanG]

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Just had his 1st bday. 28" at the shoulder and 125lbs. I try to keep him lean. Hopefully I can get another .5-1" out of him.

 

[MM1234]

That's a big boy! Beautiful pup!

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[lexinrose]

He's beautiful do you think he'll get any taller

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[lexinrose]

Also you said he started changing at 10 months did it happen real fast or you saw some small changes and what where they if you don't mind me asking. My pups 9.5 months and I'm dying to learn what things to keep and eye out for

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[I3rendanG]

He's beautiful do you think he'll get any taller

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Well, the consensus in the mastiff world seems to be adult height is achieved between 12-18months. These past few weeks I've begun to notice his topline leveling out (his hind quarters were taller than his shoulders) so this maaay be signaling the end of his upward growth. But alot can happen in 6months, and he could very well shoot up another .5" (or so I hope)