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Are canes and boerboels brachycephalic?

dheepakh

Well-Known Member
Hi everyone! Just curious to know whether these two breeds are brachycephalic(short muzzled). My priority is that the dog which i will own in the future should not have breathing problems in my climate.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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The Cane corso should not be and I don't believe that they Boerboel should be either, but have no experience with them so you would have to talk to someone who knows that breed.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
Well bred Boerboels are not supposed to be. But some breeders are breeding heavily with Ysterberg types that are heavy with Bullmastiff and some other bull dog type and ruining not only the look but the health of the breed. It can get very hot and humid in South Africa so a brachycephalic is not something you want to have or produce.
 

marti1357

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Mike, what are these Ysterberg Y dogs? How are they different from regular Boerboels ? Are they a separate breed?
 
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DMikeM

Well-Known Member
The YBMs were originally part of the development of the BB breed. But they bred a bigger heavier dog with a broader head and shorter muzzle. Very blocky mastiff type dogs. The real Boerboel was really nothing like this it was a mix of hound and mastiff. Ysterberg dicided they did not like the direction that the SABT and the Boerboel was going so they stepped away from the Boerboel and made their own breed of dog that is the Ysterberg Mastiff. Home - The MOUZER YSTERBERGER
Some breeders still consider these dogs to be Boerboels and have always believed that to be so but I do not. Australia Boerboels are heavy with YBMs as are many of the UK Boerboels. I have the original YBM website in PDF if you want to see their statement regarding the differences with the BB and the YBM. Many of today's Boerboels have YB blood and the longer the YB was in the line the larger and more muscular the line became. My Jade is both YB and Mizpah and they are 2 totally different types of Boerboels. My new pup has no YB in him as far as I can see and he is taller leaner with a longer muzzle and less lip with almost no flews to see so far. He should still be a big dog but just not as thick as a YB type dog.
YB = Ysterberg (old Boerboel blood)
YBM = Ysterberg Mastiff (New Breed Name same old bloodlines)
 

marti1357

Well-Known Member
Thank you Mike. Not an expert but it looks to me that the last thing Boerboels needs is being bigger and heavier.
BTW, are there any Yserberg breeders in the US?
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
There are dogs being called Boerboel in the US that are mostly YB. You could check with the YBM website and see if they have any breeders over here that are being honest straight YBM breeders.
 

dheepakh

Well-Known Member
Mike, In India we have very few boerboel breeders. Since i hear this from you, i am not sure about the bloodline over here. I have posted a link of the breeder's website and i am planning to get one from the breeder over here.By looking at the website, please let me know whether they look like having YB influence in them. Thank you in advance. Here is the link to the website http://karmakennels.net/ourboerboels.html#page=page-1
 

DMikeM

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dheepakh, not only YB but Spitsvuur, which I would not buy. There is no Black Boerboels, those are mutts and cross breeds. Find another breeder if you can. If he was just using the Gretchin line you would be okay. The fact that he is placing the size of the dogs head above health and temperament also says lots to me. A good dog has nothing to do with the size of his head or the thickness of his legs. I wish you the best of luck finding a good breeder but karma is not one I would trust.
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
dheepakh I went back and checked the pedigrees of his dogs. If he was to do a litter with the Gretchin dog and the Klein Sandfontein Gita pups, they would be a good line mix with very little YB in them. But he would have to mate with a male outside his current pack. All of his males are either heavy YB or Spitsvuur. Since Spitsvuur breeds black dogs I would never trust any dog coming out of his kennel as being pure. Of course this is just my opinion based on my own personal research.
 

DMikeM

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This is what I consider a correct young Boerboel.
1 year old and perfect in shape. I would like to see more pigment but this dog will score high at apprasial.
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dheepakh

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Thank you so much Mike. I appreciate that. I hope black dogs are not the part which belongs to the correct boerboel standard. I was also looking into another breeder but that was also a red flag. Only these two breeders are there in India. I guess i will go for an import to get a pure boerboel. But people in India they always consider size above health and temperament. Even we have hundreds of rottweiler breeders breeding for size. Their dogs exceed 150lbs which is surely a bad thing to do. Its really pathetic over here.But people support these breeders. Ok then the only option left to me is to go for an import. Can you name any good boerboel breeders in Africa?
 

DMikeM

Well-Known Member
The lady that bred my new BB puppy has 2 more dogs and she breed old world Boerboels. Check in the Boerboels sub-forum and look for Odinson update. You will see pictures of Brindles, and Reverse (Ultra) Brindles.