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Anyone have any experience with Roman Cane Corso in PA?

FCastle

Member
I'm thinking about getting a Cane Corso in the next year or two, been doing some research looking for a good breeder. Heard about Roman Cane Corso/Marty Giarroco from a couple favorable mentions on non-cane corso forums, and they're only about an hour and a half away. Haven't been able to find out a whole lot about them, though the little I've found has all been positive. Does anyone here have experience with them or their dogs? I'm looking for a dog with stable temperament and good protective instincts. From his testimonials it sounds like his dogs have very gentle, stable temperaments, though I'm concerned they may have had most of the protectiveness bred out of them.
 

jcook

Well-Known Member
I dont have too much to say about them, but i did talk to Marty a few times via phone. I personally just didnt care for him too much. Very full of himself and talked about money a lot. But this is just my telephone experience, so I have no input on the dogs. The dogs look really good to me, I just didnt feel like he was the breeder I wanted a dog from.

I got my CC from a guy in ohio, but my second choice was Sleeping Giants, they are in CT.
 
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coreyc

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I just got one from Peretti Cane Corso in Ma he is an awesome dog I also got one from Sleeping about 11-12 years ago he to was a great dog were are you located?
 

FCastle

Member
I dont have too much to say about them, but i did talk to Marty a few times via phone. I personally just didnt care for him too much. Very full of himself and talked about money a lot. But this is just my telephone experience, so I have no input on the dogs. The dogs look really good to me, I just didnt feel like he was the breeder I wanted a dog from.

I got my CC from a guy in ohio, but my second choice was Sleeping Giants, they are in CT.
That's kind of the impression I got from his website, the most recent championship he has listed on there is from 5 years ago. I was wondering if he stopped showing and now mostly breeds as a hobby/business, personally I don't necessarily have a problem with that. I'm mostly interested in his dogs temperament and protectiveness. I am curious about his prices, if you discussed that could you post or pm me?

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I just got one from Peretti Cane Corso in Ma he is an awesome dog I also got one from Sleeping about 11-12 years ago he to was a great dog were are you located?
I'm in PA about an hour southwest of Harrisburg.
 

jcook

Well-Known Member
If i remeber correctly is was 3,000 for show. Then i mentioned first pick and he said "that is gonna cost ya". I just felt like he brought up money a lot, like the need to get a deposit right away. I felt like he wanted a deposit and then he would talk more about getting me exactly what I wanted.

I wanted to talk with him about what I wanted in a dog and i had questions, i just felt like he didnt want to talk until he knew for sure I was giving him my money.

I talked to Keith and kathy from Sleeping giant several times. One day we were on the phone for almost 2 hours talking about making sure this is the breed for me and other CC related stuff. They only wanted a 100$ deposit and that wasnt to be collected until down the road it was also refundable. They emailed me and talked to me on a personal level. I didnt go with them because the breeding i wanted a pup from failed :( and they werent breeding that dam again for another year.

I have also heard good things about peretti!
 

FCastle

Member
Have look at Fire Horse they are in PA They have nice looking dogs
I've looked at their website, and may consider them, but most of their dogs don't have the look I like. From their pictures, most of their dogs have the saggy lipped, Boxer-shaped head look. I prefer the tighter-lipped, Mastiff or Pit Bull type heads most of Roman's dogs have.
 

jersey girl

Well-Known Member
I got my girl from Pride N Joyz in Hatfield,PA...not too far from Philly. Small hobby breeder that is committed to the breed.
 

FCastle

Member
Looked at Pride N Joyz, but doesn't sound like they breed very often. Anyone know anything about Stormy Winns in MD? From their website it sounds like their dogs have the temperament I'm looking for.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
Krissy (Pride & Joyz) is planning a litter this year I think from her female Glow and an import male when she comes in heat. I don't have any experience with Roman or Stormy Winns but good luck with your search.
 

FCastle

Member
Looked at Appalachian, but they don't say anything about temperament on their site, and haven't been able to find much of anything about them. I'm open to opinions/experiences with them as well. I'm looking for a dog with good protective instincts, a pup from working lines with potential for protection training or schutzhund would be a plus, but not necessarily a requirement. Haven't found many breeders with dogs that have working titles though, and none within a 3-4 hour drive.

Part of the reason I'm looking at Stormy Winns and Roman is that they don't require a spay/neuter contract, or at least they don't say so on their sites. I prefer not to spay/neuter due to the health risks, unless it's medically necessary, and certainly not at the young ages that some breeders require it be done. At the very least I think myself and my vet should make the decision whether or not to have it done.
 

jersey girl

Well-Known Member
Pride n Joyz is planning a litter this spring, pictures of the Dam and Sire are on her website. If you aren't getting your questions answered based off of their websites you should call the breeder and ask questions, or email them.

Regarding spay and neuter...many do state in their contract that you need to wait until the dog is of a certain age....usually over a year. You will find MOST vets want you to spay and neuter very early...6 months. The decision is yours, not the vets. Most owners on this site advise you wait until at least 18 months. You could always ask the breeder to modify the contract...can't hurt to try.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Staff member
There aren't a lot of breeders that have working temperaments or that are at least breeding for it in their dogs and while temperament is great to read about I think if you are that committed to the protective temperament of your future puppy that you for sure should get out and meet the parents of your puppy and see how they behave and if they are working them then ask for a demo of their protective instinct.

Most breeders do put the spay/neuter clause in there because to be honest most pet people don't want to deal with an intact animal or to be frank can't handle one. I am sure if you discuss your concerns about early spay and neuter and show that you have valid reasons you will find that they will probably be willing to work with you.
 

FCastle

Member
I'm planning on contacting some of the breeders, and narrowing it down to a few within driving distance to go check out. However, in my experience, breeders of the guard/working breeds always say their dogs are protective, whether they are or not. Protectiveness and nerve aren't easy to determine without the dog being in a situation where protectiveness/aggression would be appropriate, so I was looking for people with firsthand experience with dogs from the different breeders. It's probably going to be at least 6 month to a year before I actually get one.

I haven't found intact dogs to be any harder to handle than spayed/neutered ones, if anything I've noticed neutered males tend to be more moody and aggressive. It's not just spaying/neutering early, I prefer not to do it at any age, unless it becomes medically necessary. There's quite a few studies suggesting that spaying/neutering reduces lifespan and increases the risk of various health problems even when done after the dog reaches maturity.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
Yes there are lots of people that tote the protective temperament but you are right unless the dog is put in a situation that it is tested you are unlikely to know. I would say if you are interested in dogs that are tested talk to Marisha as she works at least 2 corsi at the moment. Don't know if you have facebook or not but here is a link to her personally and also a link to her working Cane Corso group. She might be able to point you in the right direction for you.

http://www.facebook.com/marisha.allabouttown

http://www.facebook.com/groups/workingcanecorso/


You personally might not have an issue handling an intact dog but I can tell you there are a lot that are not capable of handling a neutered/spayed one one they start to hit their stride. We don't advocate early spay or neuter on here as unless there is a medical issue, us mastiff owners as a whole tend to recommend waiting until maturity. But as someone that had just dealt with a pyometra in a mature female who wasn't spayed I am not certain there is a medical benefit to keeping a female intact after maturity if you aren't planning to breeder her after what we have been through and discussing it with other breeders who have dealt with it.
 

SeaNile

Active Member
Curious if these mentioned breeders also breed EM dogs. I'm in the Philadelphia suburbs and if and when we decide to get an EM I have no idea if there are any relatively local good breeders around me.
 

FCastle

Member
You personally might not have an issue handling an intact dog but I can tell you there are a lot that are not capable of handling a neutered/spayed one one they start to hit their stride. We don't advocate early spay or neuter on here as unless there is a medical issue, us mastiff owners as a whole tend to recommend waiting until maturity. But as someone that had just dealt with a pyometra in a mature female who wasn't spayed I am not certain there is a medical benefit to keeping a female intact after maturity if you aren't planning to breeder her after what we have been through and discussing it with other breeders who have dealt with it.
The risks and benefits are less cut and dry with females, largely due to the risk of pyometra, though with treatment the mortality rate of pyometra is pretty low. I wouldn't neuter a male, as they get almost no health benefits and it increases the risk of various health problems. With females it's more complicated, as spaying does reduce the risk of mammary tumors and almost eliminates the risk of pyometra. Spaying, even at 18 months or older, does still have downsides, therefore I like to make that decision for myself.

A study of Golden Retrievers found that even females spayed at or after 12 months of age were still more likely to suffer from mast cell tumors and hemangiosarcoma. Another study done on female Rottweilers found that not spaying until at least 6 years of age significantly increased lifespan. There was a study done recently comparing the lifespan of dogs in Europe with their American counterparts, it found that the European dogs had significantly longer lifespans. The main difference they found was that spaying/neutering is pretty uncommon in Europe, while being pretty much the norm in the US. Several studies have found that spaying/neutering at any age greatly increases the risk of hypothyroidism and various orthopedic problems, and even increased adverse reactions to vaccinations. Large breed dogs are at higher risk of spay incontinence, some studies estimate the risk could be as high as 20%-30%, even higher in some breeds that are more prone to it. Here's some links to articles referencing various studies.

http://www.chercarkennels.net/rethinkingspayneuter.html
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
http://healthypets.mercola.com/site...ce-your-pets-lifespan-by-over-30-percent.aspx
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
Curious if these mentioned breeders also breed EM dogs. I'm in the Philadelphia suburbs and if and when we decide to get an EM I have no idea if there are any relatively local good breeders around me.

Not that I am aware of but I don't know any Cane Corso breeders that breed EMs as well.

The risks and benefits are less cut and dry with females, largely due to the risk of pyometra, though with treatment the mortality rate of pyometra is pretty low. I wouldn't neuter a male, as they get almost no health benefits and it increases the risk of various health problems. With females it's more complicated, as spaying does reduce the risk of mammary tumors and almost eliminates the risk of pyometra. Spaying, even at 18 months or older, does still have downsides, therefore I like to make that decision for myself.

A study of Golden Retrievers found that even females spayed at or after 12 months of age were still more likely to suffer from mast cell tumors and hemangiosarcoma. Another study done on female Rottweilers found that not spaying until at least 6 years of age significantly increased lifespan. There was a study done recently comparing the lifespan of dogs in Europe with their American counterparts, it found that the European dogs had significantly longer lifespans. The main difference they found was that spaying/neutering is pretty uncommon in Europe, while being pretty much the norm in the US. Several studies have found that spaying/neutering at any age greatly increases the risk of hypothyroidism and various orthopedic problems, and even increased adverse reactions to vaccinations. Large breed dogs are at higher risk of spay incontinence, some studies estimate the risk could be as high as 20%-30%, even higher in some breeds that are more prone to it. Here's some links to articles referencing various studies.

http://www.chercarkennels.net/rethinkingspayneuter.html
http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf
http://healthypets.mercola.com/site...ce-your-pets-lifespan-by-over-30-percent.aspx

I am aware of the hazards of spaying/neuter at an early age, like I said most don't advocate neuter or spaying before maturity but like you said it is important to weigh the pros and cons of each situation individually. That being said a lot of breeders if you plan to keep the dog intact will either charge more, with the potential of it being a breeding dog or they will only sell it on a co-own.