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An Update on Dante

dantesmom

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Hey guys, it's been almost 2 months since we've brought Dante home and since I last updated about him. Just figured I should give you guys an update on how he's doing and throw some questions out there for all you experts :)

He's 13.5 weeks now, and ONLY weighs 31 lb. (According to the growth chart in this section of the forum, I thought he'd be heavier than that by now.) It looks like he's on the lean side, because he's grown a lot taller, his hind legs are longer, but he doesn't seem to get much bulkier.

We're still concerned about his eating habits and that it's slowing down his growth. He still doesn't eat much. When we put the food down, he seems like he's interested, and he would go straight to the bowl and start nom'ing, but after a short while, he'd stop. When we go and check after 10-15 mins, he usually would have eaten only about 1/4 of a cup to 1/2 cup. By that time he's already asleep. It's like he eats very little, and sleeps a lot. (I've heard that's just most bullmastiffs, they're lazy and they sleep a lot)

Breeder put him on Royal Canin Giant Breed Puppy food, we kept him on that for a while until we figured maybe he just didn't like the food. So we grabbed samples from the local pet store and had him try out different foods (wet and dry, small amounts), and we also bought a bag of TOTW puppy food, still little to no interest. Now we bought a giant bag of Blue Buffalo Wilderness puppy food and decided to stick with it regardless he eats it or not (wanted to play tough love), and yet STILL, he eats about a total of 2 cups a day.

We feed him three times a day, 6:30am, 2:30pm, and 6:30pm. Little to no snacks/treats. Lots of water. Occasional walk with our golden (since he's not fully protected until 3rd shots, and there're a lot of dogs in our area). Lots of playtime.

But soon as he gets in his crate, he'd cry, then he'd sleep. (For the crying, we've tried ignoring, then giving him attention and praising him for being quiet, etc etc. He definitely doesn't cry as much as before, but he still cries a lot imo.)

Dante also pulls on the leash when we walk. I stop walking when he pulls, but he doesn't stop pulling and turns around and comes back to my side like he was supposed to. He keeps the leash tight, and sits down wherever he was, looking at everything but me. :( When he does pay attention to me when he walks, I praise him and give him a treat. But he just doesn't seem to get it.. :c

As for socialization, our golden ALWAYS, and I mean ALWAYS, wants to play with him, but most of the time he's not in the mood. Then I start to think that she's annoying him, so I tell her off. Dante loves to run towards me and hide inbetween my legs or under the chair when Bubu's trying to get at him. (I know for a fact Bubu just wants to play, not to attack him.) Is it because of Dante's breed? Do Bullmastiff's tend to be playful?

We've also brought both dogs to a friend's place to meet their 1 year old lab named Winston. Winston was a great dog, he's gentle and calm, and he grew up with Bubu since they were babies. It was the first time I've heard Dante bark, like a big dog. When Dante first met Winston, he barked and ran around Winston when Winston was trying to sniff him. Should I be concerned? I would like to think Dante's well socialized though, because he loves people.

I've dished out so many flaws of Dante, it's time to tell you guys some good news :)

He's completely housebroken now. The only times when he'd have accidents in the crate or in the house, is either when he's been drinking more water than his bladder can handle, or that he gets too excited. But for the most part, he KNOWS he needs to hold it in until he's out on the grass.

We've noticed that Dante doesn't teeth or mouth on people. All he does is lick lick lick. He hasn't once tried to nom on our skin. If we try putting our hands in his mouth, he will turn his head away and spit our hands out. (Although the licking has become kind of a concern, could it mean anything other than show of affection?)

He knows how to sit.

He's just a sweet boy and everybody loves him. LOL.

Regarding the above concerns we have for Dante, just so you guys know, we've already been to the vet a few times during the past month or so, and every time after the phys exam the vet always said he's very healthy, other than the fact that he only has one dropped testicle as of now, and that he's got a slight underbite. (although when we checked it ourselves, we could clearly feel both testicles..)

Here are some pictures of Dante I've taken recently.
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Smokeycat

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I really wouldn't worry about his weight and going by other puppy weight charts can drive you mad, I know. Kryten (EM) was 20 lbs or more smaller than other puppies his age regardless of breed or gender. He was 32 lbs at 13 weeks, his last known weight was 190 lbs. So a smaller puppy doesn't mean a smaller than expected adult.
Kryten slept a lot as a young puppy and I've heard of others that do as well. The joke here is that he didn't know he WAS a puppy until he reached 6 months and then he decided to make up for it.
I used the stopping for pulling with Jiggers and I had to take it one step further because he would do the same thing, just stop where he was when I stopped. What I did was say 'this way' and turn and head in a different direction. 'This way' is the cue I use to get them to move the direction I want them to. When he caught up he got praised, if he went past and was going to pull again I just repeated. There were some walks where it took 1/2 hour to move 2 houses.
The playing thing is also very familiar. Jiggers loves to play and even now there are times when I have to step in and separate them because one or the other is going to lose patience. Either Jiggers because Kryten won't play or Kryten because Jiggers won't leave him alone.
 
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dantesmom

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Awesome! Hopefully he fills in soon. How about Kryten's eating habits? How much did he eat when he was a pup? Did he seem like he was regulating his own food intake, or did he finish however much that was given to him?

Should I be concerned about one of his testicles not dropping at this age?
 

Smokeycat

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Awesome! Hopefully he fills in soon. How about Kryten's eating habits? How much did he eat when he was a pup? Did he seem like he was regulating his own food intake, or did he finish however much that was given to him?

Should I be concerned about one of his testicles not dropping at this age?

Kryten was a pig. I had to get creative with how I slowed down how fast he ate and he has always eaten more than the recommended amount but he is a dog with a very high metabolism (as proven after his surgery).
I have no idea at what time an undescended testicle becomes a problem since both of mine had both at their first vet visit.
 

Penelope's Mom

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Penelope is seven months old now and eats 1 1/2 cups of food in roughly 30-40 seconds. (Yes, I've timed her) I wish she would slow down like your Dante has done. He looks like a healthy, happy boy. :)
 

Smokeycat

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I wish Dante would eat like Kryten! :(

No you want Dante to eat more not faster. Kryten could go through 3 cups in about a minute. This meant he swallowed a lot of air. Thankfully he has slowed down as he got older. My other dog is more like Dante in the fact that he doesn't need as much food as expected. Jiggers is an Irish Setter x and I call him the Energizer Bunny on Speed but he needs less food than a sedate dog his size. Dante sounds like a self regulator.
 

dantesmom

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Dante does eat very slowly, but he also eats way too little for a bullmastiff in my opinion. You guys are right, he just needs to eat more, but maintain the same eating speed..lol. Now the question is how to get him to eat more.:(
 

dpenning

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He is young. I think most pups go through this phase. Unless your vet is concerned I wouldn't worry about it too much. I know for the longest time I thought Daisy was too skinny! She was just growing so fast she couldn't keep any bulk. You could always try some satin balls to supplement. Do a search. :)
 

ksteven813

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Our 9wk old sometimes doesn't seem to eat as much as he should. Have you tried hand feeding him for some of it. I heard it helps with bonding and maybe he will get that extra bit of food at the same time.

As for the walks, we are trying something that we did with our greyhound. Walk time is for walking. Pretty much have the leash short, hold it tight and just walk. If they try to stop and sniff, just keep walking. Our greyhound figured it out quickly and she does get breaks to sniff, but she doesn't decide when that is. The puppy seems to be doing good with that method. Of course, short walks for now and a gentle walking pace.
 

dantesmom

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I tried hand feeding a while ago when we first brought him home and he didn't want to eat because he was still adjusting. But I stopped because I didn't want him to get used to it to the point where he wouldn't eat unless I'm hand feeding him. That's my only concern about hand feeding.

About walking with leash tight and not allowing them to stop and stiff until I say so, well it doesn't really well apply to both of my dogs because they pull forward, not stop behind me and sniff. :( I kinda wish they did. I rather them stopping and sniff than pulling me forward and sniff. It seems like stopping and sniff is easier to correct..
 

dantesmom

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He is young. I think most pups go through this phase. Unless your vet is concerned I wouldn't worry about it too much. I know for the longest time I thought Daisy was too skinny! She was just growing so fast she couldn't keep any bulk. You could always try some satin balls to supplement. Do a search. :)
Did daisy eventually put on bulk? I'm just worried he's going to stay skinny his whole life, which isn't exactly what a bullmastiff should look like. I mean I understand that they could look lean, but skinny like he is right now? His ribs are easily visible when he stretches and turns and such. :(
 

Smokeycat

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For a couple of months Kryten was so skinny I could bounce my fingers between his vertebra and slot them between his ribs. His was due to the energy demands that his body required following major surgery but once we managed to get that back under control he filled back out. As a puppy he was never chunky. He was one that grew up (tall and skinny) and then filled out so it once again looked like I fed him.
 

Jakesmum

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When Jake was a pup he would go through phases where he wouldn't eat or he was picky about it, if he didn't eat then he would have to wait until his next meal and usually by then he was so hungry that he would eat again. Dante looks like a healthy pup. Also Jake grew like a see/saw, his back end would be higher than the front, then the front would be higher than the back and he was all legs when he was growing, it wasn't until he was about 18-20 months old that he really started to fill out. His highest weight was 165, which was a little too much for him, on the chart that's been posted here he was getting out of the ideal range of 3 to a 4, so now I've got him down to 155 now which I think is a better weight for him. Like everyone says though, don't go by their weight, go by how they look because every dog is different.
 

dpenning

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Did daisy eventually put on bulk? I'm just worried he's going to stay skinny his whole life, which isn't exactly what a bullmastiff should look like. I mean I understand that they could look lean, but skinny like he is right now? His ribs are easily visible when he stretches and turns and such. :(
she did! I would guess 170 lbs. now. :)
 

dantesmom

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When Jake was a pup he would go through phases where he wouldn't eat or he was picky about it, if he didn't eat then he would have to wait until his next meal and usually by then he was so hungry that he would eat again. Dante looks like a healthy pup. Also Jake grew like a see/saw, his back end would be higher than the front, then the front would be higher than the back and he was all legs when he was growing, it wasn't until he was about 18-20 months old that he really started to fill out. His highest weight was 165, which was a little too much for him, on the chart that's been posted here he was getting out of the ideal range of 3 to a 4, so now I've got him down to 155 now which I think is a better weight for him. Like everyone says though, don't go by their weight, go by how they look because every dog is different.
I checked out your threads for Jake's pictures and he looks great! I saw the difference between 1 year old and 3 years old, he really chunked up a bunch!
 

dantesmom

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For a couple of months Kryten was so skinny I could bounce my fingers between his vertebra and slot them between his ribs. His was due to the energy demands that his body required following major surgery but once we managed to get that back under control he filled back out. As a puppy he was never chunky. He was one that grew up (tall and skinny) and then filled out so it once again looked like I fed him.
I have more faith in Dante now to have him filled out after he's grown a bit more legs, just like Kryten. Although I hope him sleeping a lot isn't related to the fact that he doesn't eat much or that he's skinny.. At least Kryten wanted to eat and play, right?
 

Smokeycat

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I have more faith in Dante now to have him filled out after he's grown a bit more legs, just like Kryten. Although I hope him sleeping a lot isn't related to the fact that he doesn't eat much or that he's skinny.. At least Kryten wanted to eat and play, right?

Until he was 6 months he basically slept and ate. He might have played for 5-10 minutes a day. We joke that he didn't know he was a puppy.
 

dantesmom

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Took these yesterday.. The more I look at them, the more I think Dante is underweight.. This is like a 1.5 BCS. Should I be concerned about this?
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ShellNZ

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We too have a very slim fussy Bullmastiff. Milo is 18mth old, has always picked at her biscuits and not wolfed them down like our other dogs. Sometimes she would look like we'd found a food she liked but after a couple of days she was back to picking at her food and often leaving it half uneaten. We sometimes added a little finely chopped up dog roll and stirred it through her biscuits so they would all smell like it, to tempt her. That usually worked or we would add a little lactose free pet milk to her biscuits which she also loved. We have now given in after a year on premium food, and give her dog roll. Many will say it's an inferior, high moisture dog food but at last she longs for her dinner time and wolfs it down. She is still lean but has definitely put on weight and is no longer ribby. She just looks athletic now. Milo has muscled up too now so that has helped with her weight. Still a little girl though and will probably always be as her nickname says our 'baby'. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1416385993.670281.jpg