Aggressive/Biting Cane Corso

[Hiraeth]

This isn't 'The Wolf Forum' guys. We don't own wolves. We own dogs.

Comparing dog behavior to wolf behavior is useless. If our dogs acted like wolves, we'd all be dead.

 

[Brady19]

Might I ask what I said that would lead to a severe bite reaction

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[Brady19]

You were the one to quote from mech when it seemed to prove your point. But clearly that isn't what he thinks, you were quoting someone that supposedly quoted him

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[Brady19]

And like marke said simply throw a bone out between your dog's and you whole theory will be blown when one dog clearly decides it's his bone, or better yet when the dog that is ranked lower gets the bone first then drops it's prize and walks away when the alpha walks up. I can show you examples of this all day with my 60lb female pit taking control of anything my 100lb corso has that she wants. Simply by walking up and looking at him he drops whatever he has and leaves the area.

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[Hiraeth]

I have put my dog on the ground recently...[SNIP] If the dog is being aggressive over items you need to let him know it's yours and it's up to you when he has it.

You mentioned a violent approach, putting a dog on the ground, and then letting the dog know objects are 'yours'. How do you do that exactly? By reaching in and removing the object the dog is guarding and provoking a bite?

If you don't think that a dog that is growling when moved or taking "his" stuff and biting people in the face isn't asserting dominance and clearly needs to be shown he isn't in charge, this would make you a bad owner. Just because you have never dealt with dominance with your dog doesn't mean your way of being besties is what works. You just happen to have a mellow dog. Mine is dog aggressive even after months of socialization. And when he even sees another dog on a walk he wants to fight. I have to assert my dominance and tell him he can not attack every dog he sees. These are beasts first before friends and capable of killing people and other animals. Imagine that dog that thinks it's ok to bite you in the face what is to stop him doing it to a child or actually deciding to do serious damage to you. Keep your politically correct nonsense to yourself. Your more worried about hiring your dog's feelings than possibly not only saving the dogs life but someone else's life also. And frankly this dog could already be put down with more than one assault.

I have a very honest question that I want you to consider. FOUR people on this thread, all of us who have owned multiple dogs (I'm on dogs 7 and 8, myself) from challenging breeds, are telling you that you don't need to train with any sort of dominance theory or violence in order to get your dogs to listen to you.

Do you honestly that think that not a single one of my dogs has been problematic? I have had rescues with bite histories, a rescue who killed cats, a rescue who resource guarded so severely I couldn't enter the room in which he was eating without him trying to attack me. I've worked with some VERY troubled dogs. And not a single one had a 'dominant' personality, and I didn't treat a single one like they did. I taught through positive reinforcement, and methods that didn't require fear, or punishment. And each dog worked through their issues and became a pretty decent dog as a result.

You have a dog that you're training assuming that he's dominant. You down him, you show him who is "boss". He recently decided to jump on you (a sign of that he clearly doesn't think you're his "boss" or respect your boundaries), who tries to fight other dogs, and who in general sounds pretty unstable.

So whose training methods are working better? Mine, that have worked on difficult dogs for the last decade? Or yours, that have produced a dog who disobeys you and tries to attack other dogs?

 

[Hiraeth]

And like marke said simply throw a bone out between your dog's and you whole theory will be blown when one dog clearly decides it's his bone, or better yet when the dog that is ranked lower gets the bone first then drops it's prize and walks away when the alpha walks up. I can show you examples of this all day with my 60lb female pit taking control of anything my 100lb corso has that she wants. Simply by walking up and looking at him he drops whatever he has and leaves the area.

And another question. I live with four dogs currently. Titan - 18 month old intact Great Dane. Zephyr - 13 month old intact Great Dane. Little Dog - 5 year old neutered Rottweiler. Shenzi - 9 year old spayed Shepherd mix.

When it's time to go out in the morning, Zephyr pushes to the front and absolutely insists that he goes first.

When it's time for me to hand out treats, Shenzi pushes to the front of the group and insists upon being the closest to the treats and getting hers first. She will bite anther dog who tries to take it.

Zephyr and Titan will swap bones back and forth and chase each other around with them without issue.

Little Dog takes any toy he can away from the other dogs and they let him.

Zephyr will also steal toys from Titan and Shenzi. And they let him.

Titan sits on the couch and will kick other dogs off in order to be there. He also sleeps closest to me and will lay on top of Zephyr if Zephyr is in his spot.

Which dog in my household is "dominant", according to your idea that dominance is a personality trait displayed by ONE DOG in the household, who is the PACK LEADER?

 

[Brady19]

Do you use treats to reward if so is it not them a punishment to make a dog wait until they accomplished the tasks at hand. Therefore are you not asserting yourself as the dominant figure that the food belongs to you and you say when the dog eats. How is that different than when a wolf makes a kill and leader eats first then once he is finished the others are then rewarded by being allowed to eat because of their patience. By telling a dog where in your home he can use the restroom is asserting dominance do you not realize that

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[Brady19]

My dog is still training and frankly if your not experiencing any of this I'm not sure you have a corso on your hands

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[marke]

leave them go hungry for a couple days put down a bowl of food and you'll most likely get your answer .

 

[Brady19]

My guess is the one that becomes agressive over food. It's the most valuable resource.

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[Boxergirl]

This thread is turning into yet another debate about dominance theory. That's not helping the OP. I do suggest that the OP read the link posted for a better understanding of what dominance is and what it isn't as it relates to our relationship with our dogs. It wouldn't hurt Brady19 to read it either.

 

[Brady19]

I have heard enough nonsense today but thankyou

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[Boxergirl]

I have heard enough nonsense today but thankyou

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Nonsense, yet you haven't even taken a look. That's really a shame. It also tells me that you have no desire to learn, only to be right. You aren't right, btw.

 

[Brady19]

I have looked it over but there you go assuming to know what others know

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[marke]

the op already has their answer , get experienced help in person ...... someone who can identify the dogs personality and teach them to properly form it and deal with it ......imo , if they were capable themselves they wouldn't have asked what they did ...... the pups behavior is dangerous , imo , a 9 month old cane corso aggressively biting folks needs serious experienced attention , not something to be learning on ....... there really is no debate over dominance in social animals , it's not a theory ............. I've known a lot of folks , lifetime dog folks that have intentionally bred and raised rank civil dogs , to produce more rank civil dogs .......... find someone who has met peelers chief or has met or raised his offspring , I've seen chief described by experience dogmen as " think of the meanest dog you've ever met as fire , chief would be an atonic bomb" , he was intentionally reproduced , i know from experience dogs come to that extreme , and all the way down to a dog who can't even take a raised voice without shutting down ......... you need to actually see what your dealing with ............

This isn't 'The Wolf Forum' guys. We don't own wolves. We own dogs.

Comparing dog behavior to wolf behavior is useless. If our dogs acted like wolves, we'd all be dead.

i'd disagree with this , and would be open to seeing the evidence that dogs are not domesticated wolves ? it appears to me every single behavior they have is rooted in their origin ,,,,,,,,

 

[DennasMom]

Obedience training is about 7 months behind schedule for this pup... but it's never too late to start!

I would ALWAYS recommend you listen to Hiraeth's advice! She's got loads of experience and great results to show for it.

My thoughts:

Danes, Corsos, Mastiffs and dogs of all flavors need to RESPECT their leaders. Respect is easily earned when your dog is a puppy and you provide it everything it needs.
Consistent rules help the dog grow into a confident, respectful companion.

Doing the whole dominance "take-down" might work in the right circumstances, but it also can easily create fear and disrespect in a dog... and that can go horribly wrong, in a heartbeat.

Dogs will test the rules occasionally, depending on the temperament of the individual - how you respond to the test will determine if they test them again later. Ignoring the testiness can be very effective when the dog is after attention. Ignoring a dog testing the rule of no-counter-surfing would not be very effective...

For brandon1234 and the Girlfriend's Corso... it sounds like the dog was allowed to grow up without rules, and that has resulted in a big puppy that likes to take control, thinks everything he sees is "his" and doesn't know how to respond when things don't go the way he wants them to. For the family, who spoils the dog and enjoys giving in, that looks fine (to them)... to anyone who thinks the dog should not be the one pawing on the human for attention... things can (and did) go horribly wrong.

9 months is still puppy. Still LOTS of room to build rules and a healthy relationship - BUT - the family the dog lives with will need to be involved.

I would put this puppy on NILF. Nothing In Life for Free. The puppy must WORK for every bite of food, every treat, every pet. And when given, the treats must not be taken away - unless you "trade up" with something else. You can practice that by giving an antler, asking the dog to "drop" it, and trading it for a bully stick, asking the dog to "drop" that, and then giving them a piece of deli meat or cheese (or other "top" reward). If you really want the dog to like you, after trading the bully stick for cheese, have them sit and LOOK at you (your face, not the treat in your hand)... and give the bully stick back... and then don't disturb the enjoyment of the bully stick.

We had a 'bully' of a rescue dog (bulldog/boxer mix). One of the BEST exercises we did with him was "look at me"... hold a treat in your hand and hold your hand out to your side... the dog will probably watch your hand. Say "look at me" and WAIT for the dog to look you in the eyes. The INSTANT he looks you in the eyes say "GOOD!" and give him the treat. Repeat this many times, as often as possible, so the dog learns that when he looks to YOU the treat is provided. He doesn't get to TAKE the treat, EVER. It is GIVEN by YOU... and only after he works for it (by focusing on YOU and not the treat).

If that is too hard, look up "it's yer choice" on youtube for a video on impulse control. You might need to wear a glove at first if the puppy is really pushy/grabby... but it doesn't take long for dogs of any age to learn to "wait" for you to provide a treat instead of trying to take it.

As for our bully rescue - he learned to respect me, but he never really loved me. We found him a new home with a couple that he fell in love with, and it was the best of both worlds.
If you can approach your GF's Corso with the intent of "winning" him over with love and not just gaining his obedience, you might have better luck... but... at some point, he's going to have to learn manners, too.

 

[DennasMom]

... I missed reading about two pages of discussion as I was writing... so... that's why my comments look like they're just outta the blue.

 

[Iulicris88]

i'd disagree with this , and would be open to seeing the evidence that dogs are not domesticated wolves ? it appears to me every single behavior they have is rooted in their origin ,,,,,,,,

Assuming that most people have evolved from the caveman days (though not all of them), it will be safe to say that dogs have also evolved from their wolf days. You're talking about tens of thousands of years of evolution and adapting, not about taking a wolf and putting it in a human establishment for a year. The evidence that dogs are not domesticated wolves? Same as to why people are not domesticated monkeys- mitochondrial DNA. There's ~1.2 % difference between dogs and the contemporary grey wolf, pretty much exactly the same as between humans and chimpanzees. Now, I don't know about you, but I don't consider myself a monkey. Further more:

"Dog breeds have distinct behaviors, and dogs as a whole have unique behaviors not found in gray wolves (Hare et al. 2002). However, the genetic basis of behavior is less well understood than morphology. In general, the greatest need remains the development of assays to reproducibly score specific behaviors.[...]
Expression patterns may also provide clues to the genetic basis of behavior. Saetre et al. (2004) surveyed the expression pattern of 7762 genes in three different regions in the brains of domestic dogs and in gray wolves and coyotes. They found that the pattern of gene expression in the hypothalamus of domestic dogs was different from that in gray wolves and coyotes, whereas patterns of gene expression in the amygdala and frontal cortex were less differentiated. The hypothalamus controls specific emotional, endocrinological, and autonomic responses of dogs and is highly conserved throughout mammals. The results of Saetre et al. (2004) suggest that behavioral selection in dogs may have affected this central part of the brain, initiating a cascade of effects that result in some of the unique behaviors found in dogs.
The domestic dog has long fascinated evolutionary biologists and geneticists because of the extreme phenotypic diversity exhibited by the species and the short time frame over which this diversity has evolved. Molecular genetic evidence suggests that dogs are indeed the oldest domesticated species and their origin may have even well preceded their first appearance in the archeological record about 15,000 yr ago. The dog has a diverse genetic origin that likely involved multiple gray wolf populations and subsequently was enriched by backcrossing with wolves throughout their history. This substantial input of variation from wild ancestors has provided the raw material for phenotypic change, but unique development and genetic mechanisms may also have assisted the course of artificial selection. Dogs clearly have behaviors, phenotypes, and diseases that are not evident in their wild progenitors. Finally, in the more recent evolution of dog breeds, limited interbreeding has imposed a remarkable genetic structure such that nearly all breeds represent distinct genetic pools that can be divided into at least four distinct genetic groupings." [http://genome.cshlp.org/content/15/12/1706.full]
I hope this is enough proof for you, but you can further google the differences between wolves and dogs.

 

[Iulicris88]

leave them go hungry for a couple days put down a bowl of food and you'll most likely get your answer .

I would leave you and some friends go hungry for a couple of weeks and then throw you all a stake, and see what comes out of it. People have even been known to resort to canibalism in their desperate times, all this means is that the survival instinct is strong in all species.

 

[Brady19]

My female is dominant over my male doesn't matter how much you dislike that fact it's truth. She eats first, controls the toys and if he is barking at people passing by and I tell him to stop and he doesn't my female runs up and barks and bites him forcing him to stop. It's fact people and you controlling food and where they can sleep or relieve themselves is being dominant over them. There is no argument. If you jabs never seen or experienced it come on over and watch my dogs interact

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