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Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
Small hijack here. Sorry OP.

April Nicole - I'm sorry to say that a vest won't help with most people. Especially not with a puppy. You wouldn't believe how assertive, even rude, you have to be. Even when it's clear that you're working a service dog/sd dog in training. We had a mom come up behind and bend over Otis with her infant in her arms and put the baby a few inches above his face. He was maybe 16 weeks then, so still working on basic things. Then she got crappy when he started to jump up toward them. Well geez. Who bends over a dog they don't know like that? Ugh. Anyway. Can you sew? Vests are expensive and they aren't very adjustable. If you can sew, it's pretty straight forward to make one and order patches that say "In Training" that you can attach with velcro. Or start with a red bandana and use iron on letters. I used fat quarters from Walmart for the bandanas. image1.jpeg image2.jpeg
Of course you won't be representing Logan as a service dog, so you'd just use an in training patch.

(Editing to say that I didn't make the vest. We bought it. But I did use it as a template to make my own.)
 

April Nicole

Well-Known Member
Small hijack here. Sorry OP.

April Nicole - I'm sorry to say that a vest won't help with most people. Especially not with a puppy. You wouldn't believe how assertive, even rude, you have to be. Even when it's clear that you're working a service dog/sd dog in training. We had a mom come up behind and bend over Otis with her infant in her arms and put the baby a few inches above his face. He was maybe 16 weeks then, so still working on basic things. Then she got crappy when he started to jump up toward them. Well geez. Who bends over a dog they don't know like that? Ugh. Anyway. Can you sew? Vests are expensive and they aren't very adjustable. If you can sew, it's pretty straight forward to make one and order patches that say "In Training" that you can attach with velcro. Or start with a red bandana and use iron on letters. I used fat quarters from Walmart for the bandanas. View attachment 60447 View attachment 60448
Of course you won't be representing Logan as a service dog, so you'd just use an in training patch.

(Editing to say that I didn't make the vest. We bought it. But I did use it as a template to make my own.)

Thanks Boxergirl. That's a great idea.
And the red would show up very nice against the white fur. People do get mad when you tell them not to pet. Or they totally disregard you and say," oh I'm good with dogs!" And I'm thinking, if you're good with dogs... then you would know to keep your distance if someone says their dog is in training!!
 

Boxergirl

Well-Known Member
Thanks Boxergirl. That's a great idea.
And the red would show up very nice against the white fur. People do get mad when you tell them not to pet. Or they totally disregard you and say," oh I'm good with dogs!" And I'm thinking, if you're good with dogs... then you would know to keep your distance if someone says their dog is in training!!

Common sense is strangely lacking in the general public. IMO. Al knows that my hand up in a warding off gesture means he should move behind me. I didn't teach my other dogs that, but maybe I should.
 

Steven C

Well-Known Member
Yes had Rottweilers first. I don't get Pitbull comments at all. Usually people ask if its a Corso or what kind of Mastiff is it or they have no idea in my area

Well that is interesting because very few people around here even know what a Cane Corso is. So it must be an area where Mastiff dogs are more common. I say Cane Corso, or in espanol, Mastino Italiano and people say what was that, ahh PitBull. lol and I say yes yes its a PB and walk away. lol
 

Steven C

Well-Known Member
Wow. Did she move along? ...I have to pull up some pictures of our E.M. mix, he was big like an E.M but his drive was different. The person we got him from thinks the father may have been the neighbors German Shepard. People wanted to pet him all the time. We were traveling at the time for husbands work and at R.V parks. Drunk men would approach all the time. The dogs barking like one more step and I'll tear your a** up! So of course these jerks are like," He's huge and beautiful! Walking up wanting to get all in his face." I told one guy No! And he kept coming. Buster was giving warning, the guy got in his face and Buster jumped on him. Guy looked like he shit himself. Buster didn't bite him or anything. Just jumped on him and barked right in his face. I let him, cause the dude was a perv. And an alcoholic. Watching all the little girls in the area all the time. Even told one woman about her 12 year old daughter, " You make beautiful children, you should keep breeding!" We were at the pool. Everyone was creeper out. I'm concerned with Logan. Most people have never seen a CAO. I'm going to be diligent with letting people know he is working. I think I'll get him a vest. I know their are idiots that can't read or something, so after 6 months old, we will limit his outings to more controlled situations.
Thanks Boxergirl. That's a great idea.
And the red would show up very nice against the white fur. People do get mad when you tell them not to pet. Or they totally disregard you and say," oh I'm good with dogs!" And I'm thinking, if you're good with dogs... then you would know to keep your distance if someone says their dog is in training!!

Those are great suggestions, just to throw it out there an American manufacturer called K9 training gear com has the collar with Velcro patches whatever you want them to say in all colors. Also vests but the vest are military and police and very expensive. All super high quality, its where I get my tugs from and the Nessa collar and leash.
 

Annette Coleman

Well-Known Member
"Breeders" are not exclusive to "the show dog community."
Show dog has nothing to do with it.

You are under some false assumptions.
Most people dont get tricked because they follow AT THE VERY LEAST those 9 things I listed. How many of those did you do?

People who follow a process, and pay a fee in order to keep records for there dogs is a much better bet than buying a puppy with nothing with it at all.

Also, did you ever get proof that your dog was of a different breed? Or that its DNA is different from any of its siblings? Your basing your whole argument and point off of a guess if not.

Can you please give an example of people who sell non papered dogs but health test them?

Or people who have non papered dogs but have a real generational pedigree
"Breeders" are not exclusive to "the show dog community."
Show dog has nothing to do with it.

You are under some false assumptions.
Most people dont get tricked because they follow AT THE VERY LEAST those 9 things I listed. How many of those did you do?

People who follow a process, and pay a fee in order to keep records for there dogs is a much better bet than buying a puppy with nothing with it at all.

Also, did you ever get proof that your dog was of a different breed? Or that its DNA is different from any of its siblings? Your basing your whole argument and point off of a guess if not.

Can you please give an example of people who sell non papered dogs but health test them?

Or people who have non papered dogs but have a real generational pedigree?
Its amazing how the list of things that a buyer must do to not get cheated keeps growing and getting more expensive. Yes we were in a hurry because we had a need. The breeder carefully justified everything in her outrageous contract. No I don’t have the money to make multiple trips across country to visit breeders but that doesn’t matter to you because as you said in another thread you only wanted to sell to wealthy people. The fact remains that you want the prestige and financial benefits of that prestige without the responsibility of monitoring the behavior of breeders. It is easier to take the caveat emptor approach and blame buyers who were cheated instead of the unethical people who do the cheating. We will never agree on this issue. Your words will not change my experience and my opinions are based on my experience.
 

Steven C

Well-Known Member
Its amazing how the list of things that a buyer must do to not get cheated keeps growing and getting more expensive. Yes we were in a hurry because we had a need. The breeder carefully justified everything in her outrageous contract. No I don’t have the money to make multiple trips across country to visit breeders but that doesn’t matter to you because as you said in another thread you only wanted to sell to wealthy people. The fact remains that you want the prestige and financial benefits of that prestige without the responsibility of monitoring the behavior of breeders. It is easier to take the caveat emptor approach and blame buyers who were cheated instead of the unethical people who do the cheating. We will never agree on this issue. Your words will not change my experience and my opinions are based on my experience.

I understand as I believe I got a puppy mill Poodle that was AKC registered and supposedly a puppy from a champion dad named Desires Man in black and a champion mom I forget the name. I was at fault because first off I didn't want a show dog, it just happened to be the only white toy poodle at the time with AKC papers in Florida. I trusted the papers were enough. Less then 2 weeks after we purchased the dog, she tripped and broke her brittle front leg in 2 places from a trip. Immediately I thought this dog must have been kept in a cage, how else could the bones be that brittle. Cost me $1,500 for steel plates and pins. When I bought the dog, the lady met me at a 3rd party house saying it would be closer on my 3 and 1/2 hour drive. Also to this day the dog is like a feral dog, very skittish, unsocial with anyone and everything. I'm not 100% but I would bet a few sheckles that this was a puppy mill dog.

I would admit that my research for a Poodle is much different from my research on a DDB or CC, it was a quick do you have AKC papers? Yes ok will see you in 5 hours type deal. On the other hand, my research for a working line CC was literally months. It happens to the best of us, what can we do.

After I purchased the Poodle I never was able to contact that woman again. It could happen to anyone. lemonhaircut.jpg
 

Justin B.

Well-Known Member
Its amazing how the list of things that a buyer must do to not get cheated keeps growing and getting more expensive. Yes we were in a hurry because we had a need. The breeder carefully justified everything in her outrageous contract. No I don’t have the money to make multiple trips across country to visit breeders but that doesn’t matter to you because as you said in another thread you only wanted to sell to wealthy people. The fact remains that you want the prestige and financial benefits of that prestige without the responsibility of monitoring the behavior of breeders. It is easier to take the caveat emptor approach and blame buyers who were cheated instead of the unethical people who do the cheating. We will never agree on this issue. Your words will not change my experience and my opinions are based on my experience.
None of those things cost money... They only cost money based on your choice. You did not have to buy a dog cross country. You act like they are the only game in town. Corsos are VERY popular now.

You are grown and well written. You seem to be very persistent and stubborn (no offense) too. So nobody made you do anything. Its not victim blaming. Especially when you bring it up asking questions.

Its not a growing list either. Most of it is common sense.
Again instead of just recognizing those tips you want to demonize everything because you're scorned.

Thats not fair, objective, or factual. There is a difference in forming your opinion from the facts of the experience vs the emotion of the experience.

Plus this is still just one side of the story. When I hear things like
"AKC has 0 value"
"All breeders are puppy mills"
"Registries are a scam but I like the ICCF"
"It doesn't matter what anyone says Its still all bad"
"I resent this victim-blaming to defend corrupt breeders." When all April did was try and help by offering sympathy and info.

All this makes me want to hear the other side of the story too.
 

April Nicole

Well-Known Member
I understand as I believe I got a puppy mill Poodle that was AKC registered and supposedly a puppy from a champion dad named Desires Man in black and a champion mom I forget the name. I was at fault because first off I didn't want a show dog, it just happened to be the only white toy poodle at the time with AKC papers in Florida. I trusted the papers were enough. Less then 2 weeks after we purchased the dog, she tripped and broke her brittle front leg in 2 places from a trip. Immediately I thought this dog must have been kept in a cage, how else could the bones be that brittle. Cost me $1,500 for steel plates and pins. When I bought the dog, the lady met me at a 3rd party house saying it would be closer on my 3 and 1/2 hour drive. Also to this day the dog is like a feral dog, very skittish, unsocial with anyone and everything. I'm not 100% but I would bet a few sheckles that this was a puppy mill dog.

I would admit that my research for a Poodle is much different from my research on a DDB or CC, it was a quick do you have AKC papers? Yes ok will see you in 5 hours type deal. On the other hand, my research for a working line CC was literally months. It happens to the best of us, what can we do.

After I purchased the Poodle I never was able to contact that woman again. It could happen to anyone. View attachment 60454

Sounds like you learned from it Steven. It does sound like the breeder didn't care much about her pups. That's unfortunate. But you are taking good care of her. And she is beautiful!
 

glen

Super Moderator
Staff member
I think what weve all got to remember is, we can all go to the lengths to buy the perfect puppy, we may want it for a purpose, like annette coleman did, the breeder may have done all the health tests ect and genuinely thought the pup was fit for the job, but surely some pups change after 5 months old they may not turn out to be just what was needed, thats not anyones fault.
If i got a pup that turned out to not be what i expected or had health problems i would think i chose to buy it i chose the breeder no matter how it turned out id give that pup an amazing home.
Yes some breeders do very wrong but we are the ones that contact them, i do believe we get puppy blinded and dont listen to our own logic. They just want one now.
Once weve got the pup and we feel its not right then we find all these problems and bad comments thats our fault, if we can find this out after we could hve found this out before, we cant put our mistakes onto others.
 

Annette Coleman

Well-Known Member
It is quite strange Anette that you say you saw pictures, and someone even told you the breeder had sold 4 dogs with epilepsy. Yet you proceeded to buy the dog from her.
I didn’t find out about the four dogs with epilepsy until 4 months later when we finally got the papers and the microchip in the dog did not match the microchip in the paperwork. We pointed this discrepancy out to the AKC and they registered her anyway.

If they are auch a reputable organization why would they do that?
 

Annette Coleman

Well-Known Member
None of those things cost money... They only cost money based on your choice. You did not have to buy a dog cross country. You act like they are the only game in town. Corsos are VERY popular now.

You are grown and well written. You seem to be very persistent and stubborn (no offense) too. So nobody made you do anything. Its not victim blaming. Especially when you bring it up asking questions.

Its not a growing list either. Most of it is common sense.
Again instead of just recognizing those tips you want to demonize everything because you're scorned.

Thats not fair, objective, or factual. There is a difference in forming your opinion from the facts of the experience vs the emotion of the experience.

Plus this is still just one side of the story. When I hear things like
"AKC has 0 value"
"All breeders are puppy mills"
"Registries are a scam but I like the ICCF"
"It doesn't matter what anyone says Its still all bad"
"I resent this victim-blaming to defend corrupt breeders." When all April did was try and help by offering sympathy and info.

All this makes me want to hear the other side of the story too.
Actually, the ICCF that I referred to is the club not the registry. Although someone at the registry did put me in touch with the club.

There is only 1 breeder with 6 hours drive of my house and she didn’t have anything available.

As for hearing the other side of the story you don’t have to, you’re already saying all the things that she would say to defend her unethical actions.

My first experience with papered animals was more than 40 years ago with cows on my parents small dairy farm. They were so unhealthy that my parents decided to get rid of them and only raise cross bred animals which were healthier, produced more milk and meat. We sold an incredibly inferior cow to another farmer who wanted the papers—we are fairly certain that those papers were put with a different animal so he could get more for her healthy, but not purebred, offspring.
As a result I NEVER even considered buying a “purebred “ dog because I believed them to be inferior and often fraudulent. That is until we got Xena from a rescue group. They told us that she had papers and because of her we fell in love with the breed so much that I re-examined my bias and we bought Constantine from a small breeder who was trying to get established. He has since gone out of business. Constantine is a phenomenal guard/farm dog but is not temperamentally suited to live in the city. So when Xena was poisoned because she was preventing a predator who worked at her apartment complex from attacking her, we needed something old enough to be a deterrent but young enough for Constantine to accept.

We were in a difficult situation and a disreputable breeder made it worse. The AKC not only condones the actions of this breeder, it endorses them as a Breeder of Merit. Your defense of the actions of both the AKC and the condemnation of people who get taken advantage of by unethical breeders as being the ones primarily at fault because they didn’t do enough research about a breeder lauded by the most prestigious entity in the industry make me believe that my initial predjudice against purebred dogs was spot on. At least breeders in the US. Xena was probably an import because her tail was not docked. Ironically, we chose a US breeder over one in Spain because we thought we were less likely to get cheated and would have more redress if we did. With 20/20 hindsight I wish we had imported the Spanish dog. It could not have been a worse experience.

The reason that I prefer the ICCF is that they do not hesitate to blame unethical breeders or call them out for making ALL breeders look bad. If my only interaction with the CC community were with people on this forum, I would lament the fact that these magnificent animals had fallen under the control of the worst elements of humanity and NEVER consider buying a dog again.

Fortunately, I have also encountered people in the CC community who put the blame where it belongs and try to spread the word so that others won’t get cheated instead of blaming the victim and defending the bad parts of the system that protects them.

I am cautiously optimistic that IF I ever buy another Corso, it will be a quality dog because it will be from one of the breeders who work to eliminate unethical business/ breeding and acknowledges the shortcomings on the ALC not a breeder who defends them and blames the people who got cheated.
 

Justin B.

Well-Known Member
Well that is interesting because very few people around here even know what a Cane Corso is. So it must be an area where Mastiff dogs are more common. I say Cane Corso, or in espanol, Mastino Italiano and people say what was that, ahh PitBull. lol and I say yes yes its a PB and walk away. lol
Yes you are probably right. The Corso boom kind of started from my area. One of the most infamous American Kennels and breeders is just like 45 mins from me. If I had to bet he probably has produced more Corsos than anybody in the world. Probably appears as breeder on more registered dogs than anybody else. Hes been mentioned in this thread already too.
Actually, the ICCF that I referred to is the club not the registry. Although someone at the registry did put me in touch with the club.

There is only 1 breeder with 6 hours drive of my house and she didn’t have anything available.

As for hearing the other side of the story you don’t have to, you’re already saying all the things that she would say to defend her unethical actions.

My first experience with papered animals was more than 40 years ago with cows on my parents small dairy farm. They were so unhealthy that my parents decided to get rid of them and only raise cross bred animals which were healthier, produced more milk and meat. We sold an incredibly inferior cow to another farmer who wanted the papers—we are fairly certain that those papers were put with a different animal so he could get more for her healthy, but not purebred, offspring.
As a result I NEVER even considered buying a “purebred “ dog because I believed them to be inferior and often fraudulent. That is until we got Xena from a rescue group. They told us that she had papers and because of her we fell in love with the breed so much that I re-examined my bias and we bought Constantine from a small breeder who was trying to get established. He has since gone out of business. Constantine is a phenomenal guard/farm dog but is not temperamentally suited to live in the city. So when Xena was poisoned because she was preventing a predator who worked at her apartment complex from attacking her, we needed something old enough to be a deterrent but young enough for Constantine to accept.

We were in a difficult situation and a disreputable breeder made it worse. The AKC not only condones the actions of this breeder, it endorses them as a Breeder of Merit. Your defense of the actions of both the AKC and the condemnation of people who get taken advantage of by unethical breeders as being the ones primarily at fault because they didn’t do enough research about a breeder lauded by the most prestigious entity in the industry make me believe that my initial predjudice against purebred dogs was spot on. At least breeders in the US. Xena was probably an import because her tail was not docked. Ironically, we chose a US breeder over one in Spain because we thought we were less likely to get cheated and would have more redress if we did. With 20/20 hindsight I wish we had imported the Spanish dog. It could not have been a worse experience.

The reason that I prefer the ICCF is that they do not hesitate to blame unethical breeders or call them out for making ALL breeders look bad. If my only interaction with the CC community were with people on this forum, I would lament the fact that these magnificent animals had fallen under the control of the worst elements of humanity and NEVER consider buying a dog again.

Fortunately, I have also encountered people in the CC community who put the blame where it belongs and try to spread the word so that others won’t get cheated instead of blaming the victim and defending the bad parts of the system that protects them.

I am cautiously optimistic that IF I ever buy another Corso, it will be a quality dog because it will be from one of the breeders who work to eliminate unethical business/ breeding and acknowledges the shortcomings on the ALC not a breeder who defends them and blames the people who got cheated.
Come on now you are putting words in my mouth and others. Not one person here ever defended the breeder. That is a very disingenuous point.

You conveniently left out the part where I said any decent breeder would replace the dog. Or that you should sue the breeder since you claim to be at 0 fault.

You did more to reinforce a bad breeder than anyone here. I know myself and 2 other people have said they would NEVER ever buy a dog from that kennel. So why create a false narrative where you link everyone here to your bad breeders?

You missed everything Black Shadow said.
You have already mentioned breeders that have been called unethical by many.
 

david63

Member
To be fair, 80% (and that is probably being generous) of corso are likely not going to engage should there be an actual problem. We are at the point where they are overbred, and temperament is suffering big time so if you are looking for a dog that is likely to engage and intruder then I fear you are going to be disappointed should your dog/puppy have to prove itself. Most rely these days on the large bark and overly fearsome appearance of the breed to do most of the work and it likely will, but never put 100% confidence that you dog is going to be what saves you.
Wow 80% of Cane Corso.
 

david63

Member
I am not an owner yet but looking forward to it. We have had some rowdy neighbors move into the neighborhood recently and it's gotten bad enough that we have decided to get a guard dog to deter people from coming through our yard . I talked my wife into getting a corso because of their rep as excellent guard dogs and my love of big dogs, I used to own a wonderful bull mastif and still miss my Mollydog she was amazing.The only thing holding me back is finding a pup I can both afford and trust healthwise. I would love to find a rescue and am hopeful to get one young enough to train, does anyone here know of any reliable corso rescue places here in NC?The fence is going up in about a week and I really want to get started with our new pup , color me EXCITED :)
Well get another Bull Mastiff. If you want a guard dog get a Caucasian Shepherd they will engage.
 

david63

Member
Wow. Did she move along? ...I have to pull up some pictures of our E.M. mix, he was big like an E.M but his drive was different. The person we got him from thinks the father may have been the neighbors German Shepard. People wanted to pet him all the time. We were traveling at the time for husbands work and at R.V parks. Drunk men would approach all the time. The dogs barking like one more step and I'll tear your a** up! So of course these jerks are like," He's huge and beautiful! Walking up wanting to get all in his face." I told one guy No! And he kept coming. Buster was giving warning, the guy got in his face and Buster jumped on him. Guy looked like he shit himself. Buster didn't bite him or anything. Just jumped on him and barked right in his face. I let him, cause the dude was a perv. And an alcoholic. Watching all the little girls in the area all the time. Even told one woman about her 12 year old daughter, " You make beautiful children, you should keep breeding!" We were at the pool. Everyone was creeper out. I'm concerned with Logan. Most people have never seen a CAO. I'm going to be diligent with letting people know he is working. I think I'll get him a vest. I know their are idiots that can't read or something, so after 6 months old, we will limit his outings to more controlled situations.
There's a lot of dumb ass people out there with no common sense.